Viggo Mortensen : Viggo Mortensen supports a deeply corrupt government of Brazil

Check the movie while you're waiting. Probably pretty dated now but goob68d fun nevertheless.

Another trailer

http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-new-westworld-trailer-is-crazy-violent-and-scary-1786589969

Thanks for the trailer danloki, and yes the movie is pretty dated by now!

Ah yes but Yul. Swoon. My first screen crush. Precocious lil bugger I was.

Hello friends,

I'm back. Tired but my Great Family Event was a huge success and I'm slowly recovering.

Wow, this thread has exploded, lol.

You're on a discussion board and dont know how to have a discussion.

Well that's the understatement of the year, hahahaha! Kittyp only knows how to talk about Viggo Mortensen and how to clout anyone on the head who dares to suggest that he just may not be The-Best-Actor-of-His-Generation. I'm wondering where her Siamese Twin (otherwise known as the Demented Deleter) Samantha is and surprised she hasn't yet ridden in in her white charger, breathing fire and brimstone to defend Mr. M. against all and sundry who Do-Not-Worship-At-His-Feet. Samantha has the peculiarity of picking a fight with anyone who criticises The Great White Viggo and subsequently deleting all her posts, lol. Truly demented.

PS- Perhaps I'll start referring to Kittyp as the Brexiter lady.

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Yes, welcome back Wp! Glad the wedding was such a success. So we have two demented deleters. Nice to know!

Samantha has far better things to do with her time to take any notice of you, pal. I just wander over to see what you've posted on your personal blog, cos it's always thrilling. Not. But it fills an idle moment?

As for nicknames - why would I be Brexiter lady? Did you get your left wing muddled up with your right wing again? Really, just write l for left and r for right on your hands, then at least you'll get that right.

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Such advice, so freely given!

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Advice is always freely given. If you attach strings to it then you have an ulterior motive.

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The Worst Sin Ever

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I thought you said war was the worst???

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I can do active aggression if you like

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I'm sure you can. Knock yourself out, girly.

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Because I'm really rather boring in the real world.

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I dont need confirmation. I was quite happy to discuss Viggo withb68 you when I came in a few weeks ago but you now seem more interested in playing dumb insolence games. It was fun initially but the novelty has worn thin.

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all over something you know nothing about.

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You're the one who brought it up/flame baited and I asked a question but since then you've behaved like a harpy. Funny that. You were quite happy having a discussion with me when I first came in but your manner did a complete backflip as soon as it became apparent that Wp ('the portuguese lady' - more passive aggro from you!!!) and I are friends. So translucent. Now toddle off, dear. Go find some other sand pit to fling cat poop. Wp is obviously not even online at the moment anyway but you have a real bug up your bum about her and who she gets on with. Cheerio

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Advice is always freely given. If you attach strings to it then you have an ulterior motive.

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Well, yes, but what that has to do with anything, I'm a little unsure.

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I thought you said war was the worst???

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Feeble, Danloki - just feeble.

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I'm sure you can. Knock yourself out, girly.

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And that's supposed to be insulting. "Girly". Too funny.

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I dont need confirmation. I was quite happy to discuss Viggo with you when I came in a few weeks ago but you now seem more interested in playing dumb insolence games. It was fun initially but the novelty has worn thin.

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Perhaps if you hadn't tried to judge me over something you claimed to know nothing about But then, I'm told you know exactly what I'm talking about after all. Fascinating.

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You're the one who brought it up/flame baited and I asked a question but since then you've behaved like a harpy. Funny that. You were quite happy having a discussion with me when I first came in but your manner did a complete backflip as soon as it became apparent that Wp ('the portuguese lady' - more passive aggro from you!!!) and I are friends. So translucent. Now toddle off, dear. Go find some other sand pit to fling cat poop. Wp is obviously not even online at the moment anyway but you have a real bug up your bum about her and who she gets on with. Cheerio

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Oh my goodness - it's like being in a timewarp. Toddling and cat poop.

It's been fun, but if you're sadly finding it all wearing a bit thin, perhaps we'd best stop there. The ignore button you recommended would be just as useful to shut me out, you know.

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by catpetal-1 10 hours ago (Mon Sep 12 2016 13:19:34) Flag | Reply |
IMDb member since August 2007
Oh. Okay. I won't bother any further either, then

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What happened to that Did not work very well, did it.

Oh lord - I just meant I won't bother any further trying to explain that particular post to you.

I thought you were all for the freedom to post whatever whenever. Apparently not for me.

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See what I did there?

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No.

So anyone else seen his latest movie? I really want to see that.

That's catpetal to you, Grime - although that little "error" has been used before. Interesting.

She's not all that likeable, to be honest. But then you probably/possibly weren't around when she was being less likeable.

You told me, eh. Well, I'm telling you - but then, you'll not take any notice, so perhaps I won't bother.

Have fun with our Portuguese Lady. She's a hoot.

You're a hoot! And that's Grimes to you Miss catpeetal!

Murky buckets, as my South Yorkshire friend says - merci beaucoup.

Life is not to be taken too seriously. Grimes.

Indeed!

Politics , I would hate to have a career in that.

Didn't the people of Brazil elect Dilma Roussef?

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We all have governments and public media that feed us BS.

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Yes this is true, which is why I prefer to focus on reading between the lines about my own country's politics rather than see actors, musos, athletes weigh in on another country's politics.

I didnt know he had a degree in politics; that's intersting. My opinion is the same about celebrities, though. I would say the same about actors in my country weighing in on for example, the gun debate in USA. I dont necessarily think this of viggo because he seems like a very down to earth guy but it annoys me when some celebrities come across as having power over public opinion. Actors who crap on about Hilary and that unattractive lil turnip with the bad fake tan and roadkill on his head for example.

there are actors that have stood at the podium with candidates (very risky for some)
then there are actors that have supported issues under the radar because it's something they truely believe in and they leave a choice of help them or not.

I have more respect for the second.





I think it pisses God off when you walk by the color purple in a field and don't notice it

And then there are the actors who take up the Cause Du Jour just to get some publicity out of it. I can think of a few names like that, lol!


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Ha Ha, perhaps like Robert Deniro? He speaks like a tough guy. Can't you just see a fisty- cuff between Trump and him? He say's he wants to Punch Trump in the face right? Whatta rat race of an electionand Hilary's wagging the dog like crazy

Lol, I wonder if DeNiro is now lining up outside the Canadian embassy? ROFL!!

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My husband told me this morning that Canada's network for people trying to appy to come in or something got knocked down. So it's happening. I'm sure Deniro has alot of money and homes elsewhere. And Viggo already has and good riddance! I hope Trump destroys this country. This all can eventually affect everybody not just U.S. It is not funny!!

You hope Trump destroys your country? Why? And BTW it's one thing to have a holiday home in another country, it's quite another to live there permanently. Most countries (including Canada) won't give you resident's permit without a very good reason.

What crashed in Canada was the government site that explained residency requirements for Canada. Too many people searching at the same time. The hysteria will die down soon as is obvious. And I'll bet you all those celeb's who are screaming they are leaving the US won't go through with it. They are just spoiled wealthy people who think they can snap their fingers and have what they want instantly. How much do they think they will earn outside of Hollywood?


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Who cares about the celeb's? It's us ordinary people who have to live with him as our president. I know the reason why most of them voted for him. I won't say it here. Let's just say I hope he destroys their hopes in what they thought he could do. Immigrants for example. You're in Portugal so you don't have to listen to him.

Everything Trump says or does is instantly reported here and all over the world. Do you realize that? Our media coverage was totally dominated by the US election today. I stayed up til 2 am to watch. I think people are over reacting - this is democracy in action after all - you win some, you lose some. You had Bush, then Obama, now Trump. Next time it will be someone else. It stands to reason some people are happy when a candidate is elected while others are unhappy. At least they don't stay forever like dictators in a great many countries around the world.

PS-are you from the old days here? I don't seem to remember your name.

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Oh sorry, I didn't know you didn't remember me. Yea started posting here in 2004 and stopped coming regularly about 2012. Then just once in a while. Now over a year, I would guess. Just watched him on Steven Colbert show, who I watch all the time, and decided to check out this site again.

But anyway, long story short, Trump is totally different. I'm sorry but I don't think anybody is over reacting about having him as our president. The majority of people in U.S. voted for Clinton. Trump got it because of electoral votes which they should have got rid of years ago. Read the article in Yahoo "Donald Trump's Supreme Court Won't Just Overturn Gay Marriages and Abortion Cases, It Will Strangle the Federal Government." It says,

"It's no exaggeration to say that the issue of the Supreme Court gave Donald Trump the presidency. Through scandal after scandal, evangelical voters, around 35% of the electorate and over half the Republican party, stood by the most sinful presidential candidate in history etc. etc."

Yea and most likely the same people who wanted Clinton impreached because of his infidelities. And I pretty much know why alot of others voted for him. At least the people I know. And some that live in my neighborhood. If you ain't white get out! And I don't mean blacks, even though they don't like them either. And the gun issue and the 2nd ammendment. Clinton just wanted to get rid of people having military assault weapons. I agree, they have NO reason to have them. And whoever else voted for him and thinks he's going to make America better, YEA we'll see. I liked Obama's speech when he said "Trump says he's for the people, I don't even thinks he likes people." So true!!! He's going to drop taxes on the rich corporations which is good for him also. And, who in the end is going to suffer? Me the middle class and the poor to when he takes away Obama care. And DeNiro might b68not have to leave at all. Did you read about California wanting to become their own country. If they succeed they will be the 6th country in the world to make the most money. SILICON Valley!

But anyway Wplains you can feel, think and say whatever you want. You always have. Not saying that's a bad thing. We agreed when you and me fought the two women, sorry can't remember their names, Sam maybe, on the History of Violence board.

Wplains, I just wanted to say one other thing. I'm not Dem or Rep. I vote for who I think is the best for this country. Voted for Bush once. Voted for Cain 1st time and Obama 2nd election against Romey(?) Obamacare really screwed me, plus other things. I work for a big name company and make good wages. Probably better then middle class. Had excellent health care coverage that I paid almost 0 for. And after Obamacare that changed. I pay thru the roof now. But hey, what could I say, all people needed coverage. And to be honest, Trump might actually make my life better. But that's not the point!

Maggie, you make some valid points but i don't think you really want to see our country falter do you? Believe me, most of us did not know if we should be laughing or crying at this election. And yes worried, but i believe Mr. Trump will be smart enough to pick advisors and people who can help him lead this country. Mike Pence from Indiana for instance, has really been good for Indiana, according to a lot of folks who live there. So let's give the guy a chance and help each other pull together for the good of the people and our country. Hillary Clinton put on a good fight, even though she is a person who continues to lie to the people over and over again. We cannot have a liar in a position of power. The elite can leave and go to Canada or wherever they chooseGood. We might venture to say that it's about time those elitest folks start appreciating the Kids who serve our country, i don't see any of their Kids out there fighting anything but drug addictions. Okay, that said.Let's try to keep a positive outlook for proper laws, accountability and less greed and dishonesty in a flawed govt. society. I don't mind telling you that i actually get a cold chill when i see or hear about the fiasco in Libya when our people were thrown to the dogs.Hilly and Billy probably watching it all in real timeObama too! Stand Downhow cruel does it get???Stand Down was the orderWhat if Hilary's daughter had been the representative to go there at that time???I am positive that they would have gotten immediate help. Those poor bodies were in horrible condition..Our Kidsmine and yours, face thishave you ever seen a politicians kids go? A movie stars go or The elites go? Some day we will have a Woman presidenti would vote Cathy McMorris from Wa. State in a heartbeat. It will happen and she will stand up for dignity and trustworthiness and common sense. So we will hope for another timeanother day.

And Trump doesn't lie? Dishonesty? Seriously do you know anything about this man? Apparently not. You know you voted for the most sinful presidential candidate in history. Hilly and Billy? And I'm suppose to take anything you say seriously. I know all about Hilary and what's true and what isn't. And oh yea, can't wait for Trumps advisors, Chris Christi, Ben Carson, Rudy G. etc.


Edited: This is my last post. Won't be back.

well probably neither of us know abb68out this man entirely, but just what we see on TV or readhe is no angel. Well good for you, knowing all about Hillary Clinton, as to whats true and what is not true. And Yeah, Hilly and Billy..is rather catchy ain't it? Keep a sense of humor and you will go far, my girl. Also How do you know all of this inside info on The new President? and also on Hillary.And you would be the one who wanted to see our country go to hell, not me. You cut off your own nose to spite your face then?

Sorry I don't remember your name Maggie but it's been a long time since this board was active. But if you were with me against Catpee and Samantha, that was fun, lol.

What's a "sinful" candidate? Why i2000s he "sinful"? I'm not sure about Trump but I'm sure glad that sleazy Hilary wasn't the first woman President. I think the US can do better than that dreadful woman. Sorry but I just don't get how Obamacare works. We have a totally different system in Europe that has nothing to do with insurance companies. I also don't get why you don't want to lose Obamacare and then complain about it?

Val is a good person but you seem to think she isn't worth listening to because she doesn't agree with you? That's mostly why Trump was elected: there is no debate anymore, there are only people who will tell you what a racist or Nazi you are if you don't agree with someone else's opinion. I think people are very tired of being told they are something they are not because they don't go for the politically correct. Perhaps hearing what this guy has to say might put things a bit more in perspective? I totally agree with everything he says:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/11/video-jonathan-pies-epic-rant-blaming-the-left-for-trump-brexit/

Still wondering why Trump is "sinful"

Cheers


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It looks like Mr. Trump is going to put some pretty good people in the white house to help him (like i had hoped). I don't imagine Donald Trump is any more sinful than any other man who indulges in that "locker room talk" once in awhile, Maggie. I just don't see Trump as especially sinful like you seem to think. After all Hillary trumped up a lot of dirt in her campaign. Plus she apparently was given all the questions in her debates so she could give a polished response to themUnfair. Trump was not given that advantage after all. So what were you referring to? Thanks for the heads up WP, i do appreciate that, indeed i do. . I hope to see Cathy McMorris Rogers (Wa. State) as a lady president Some dayand a lady she is. Here's to the future WP.

Hi val - catpee here! I know you never called me that infantile name, so I won't refer to it again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/steve-bannon-who-is-the-donald-trumps-chief-strategist-and-why-i/

I'm not sure I'd agree that this man is "good". I think we'll have to wait and see on that one.

Mike Pence believes evolution is just a theory and that gay people can be "cured".

Trump has promised to bring back manufacturing jobs that don't exist any more. He needs to be thinking about IT, robotics and green energy, not coal mines and oil pipelines across Native lands. He's already said this "wall" is likely to be a fence in places. I was very slightly encouraged that he has put the notion of prosecuting Clinton on the back burner (ie let that pledge slip quietly away), has already said he's not ditching all the Affordable Healthcare Act - and then I saw that picture of him in his gold-plated lift with the utterly fooli238sh-looking Farage, whose mouth hung open like the jackass he is. Sorry, jackasses - my apologies to you.

Enough. This slide to the far right is gathering pace, and putting the alt-right with all its absurd theories right at the heart of a government worries me enormously.

Like i said Catpetal, he's no angel either. But it's what we have. Just trying to be hopeful for a better future that's all. It is what it is. The "Libtards" need to stop being such crybabies -my apologies to you. Enough. Let's give the man a chance.

Well - being hopeful for a hopeful future is certainly nice.

Liberal means generous - I've always thought of liberal people as being generous to others. As for calling someone who wishes to suggest it's not a good thing to attack others based on their race, religion, sexual orientation or whatever other excuse people use to be horrible to others - well, I think calling liberals "retarded"? What, just for trying to be a bit more generous?

"Crybabies", eh? Pointing out that the men and women currently planning to make decisions which will affect everyone else on the planet are very far from being up to the job on any level isn't crying - it's saying we're concerned enough to say the world has been here before. And if we fail to learn from history and just shrug our shoulders and say oh well, never mind eh, then we're not doing our job.

Would you say the Republicans who refused point blank to deal with any of Obama's initiatives (including deporting 3.5 million illegal immigrants) were "crying"? Or were some kind of "tard" - perhaps something with reactionary in it?

Well, anyone is free to protest but in a peaceful manner is much more desirable than creating mischief and chaos. I think people believe in something about Mrs Clinton, but to me i view Hillary Clinton as a distrustful candidate. She lied way back when to the public about being shot at when she and her daughter got off an airplane to Iraq. That was something she wouldn't have even had to lie about. She Lied about the E Mail leaks, she represented a rapist against a 12 year old child, then there is the Vince Foster suicide thing.She apparently got the answers to her debate questions, she Took money from the Clinton Foundation for Chelsea and her wedding which was an ungodly sum of money. She may have lied about her health issues, Her husband talked to the Attorney General about FBI charges and got them dropped. This is someone who is an elitist , who thinks she is above the law. Something has to change. All i say is give the man a chance. I am going to say one more time that he will put people in charge who know how to make decisions. We will see.No Donald is not a politician..but politicians are what's wrong with a lot of greedy actions done today. They get away with far too much crap. The average American working class person is sick of it.

I completely agree that people need to protest in a peaceful manner. Portland seems to have been worst affected, but apparently they have agreed that violence is counter-productive. I hope supporters of Trump heed his request for a similar regard for the law. I gather one man has been shot by some men who attacked some protestors, so I hope that was an isolated incident. There are reports of more attacks on people who are not white Americans, but I haven't investigated the truth of that.

I can't find any mention of a story about flying into Iraq - her story about flying into Bosnia, however, has been thoroughly questioned. There was sniper fire in the hills, and it was not an entirely safe place to be, but it does seem she made the story more dramatic than it was. No one was hurt, lost money or their reputation because of her exaggerations, but she certainly embellished the truth.

She was questioned for 19 hours about those emails, by Republicans. Nothing was found. She was probably foolish for using the same system of sending and receiving emails that everyone else was using, but as far as I know, no one died, was hurt or whatever because the emails could have been intercepted. If someone can prove she did something more than a misjudgement, I'd be happy to read it.

"Clinton frequently dealt with sensitive and classified information as secretary of state, and the amount that the FBI found in her email server is miniscule in comparison. It appears that she generally dealt with classified information in an appropriate way. I found this from Politifact:

To electronically transmit classified information, State Department employees must use a specific closed system, not their usual @state.gov email addresses. Clinton has said she viewed classified information in hard copy in her office, and she used other secure channels when traveling. Some emails now made public actually show Clintons team discussing how they couldnt email each other classified information over the private server and instead had to move the conversation to a more appropriate venue."

The rapist and the 12 year old - well, she was a lawyer, and she'd be required to do distasteful jobs like that, especially as she was ordered to do so by a judge. The guy was prosecuted and did jail time, just not for rape.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/

The Vince Foster suicide thing is distasteful in the extreme, especially as the completely erroneous story upset sister terribly. It is a complete and utter fabrication.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/did-hillary-clinton-get-receive-given-debate-questions-in-advance-presidential-town-hall-donald-trump-fact-check/

Receiving questions in advance - when one might have a very reasonable guess as to what those questions might be - is not like receiving exam questions in advance. There are no right or wrong answers. To me, it smacks of "she was too well prepared!" which again, to me, seems a very odd thing to say about a candidate.

She foolishly didn't announce to the world that she had pneumonia, instead working through it in a way most women do work. They don't call it "man flu" for nothing. Other health issues were complete fabrications. If she had had any one of the dozens of illnesses she was supposed to have she'd not be walking her dogs in the countryside.

If I may, I'll stick to what I can research about Hillary, rather than about Bill. If you choose to believe he did that, that's fine. I hate false equivalencies, as they're being called - but getting Donald out of service in the army seems to have been a dodge, at the least. I wonder who arranged that for him.

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This is someone who is an elitist , who thinks she is above the law.

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This is pure assertion. She had worked extremely hard all her life for the American people. Nothing I see in her record shows she actually does believe she's above the law.

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Something has to2000 change.

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Oh, absolutely. There were some truly awful things going on in government, I'm sure. My friend alerted me to the way bills are passed, with a kind of tacking on system, so that in order to get some good idea voted in, you have to accept all kinds of other stuff tacked on to it. Whether Trump, who appears to do everything he can to circumvent the law in order to make as much money as possible is the right man for the job - well, we have no choice but to give him a chance. But when the KKK are cheering him on, and applauding his choice of the Breitbart guy, I can't help but see it as a change to a former, not very good time.

"The average American working class person is sick of it." I can well believe it. The average anybody usually is sick of what is happening. That's the engine for change, and we wouldn't have revolutions without that discontent.

Time will tell if the change is simply going to enrich Trump, his family and his friends, or whether it truly is going hack out the corruption that always seems to come with power.

None of what I am saying is personal, by the way. I am well aware your opinions are shared by others - that too many in America did not vote at all - and that, of those who did vote, more voted for Clinton than for Trump. But I would like to say that I feel Clinton has been held to far higher standards than Trump, who lied just to win, using any means, fair or foul, to destroy the opposition, as is his way.

Is that the right way to govern in this day and age? Do we admire Putin, who appears to use just those methods? Time, as they say, will tell.

Hi Val,

What is scary is that some people now seem to think anyone who wins elections in the West must be from one political spectrum only. Anything that even smacks of any kind of right wing is immediately labelled, fascist, Nazi, extreme right wing. They now also call it populist - a new euphemism for anything not from the left or the politically correct school of thought. Scary indeed when only one train of thought now seems to be only one certain people will accept. Hence, rioting, demonstrations and marches when perfectly legitimate elections are held and their candidate does not win.

As you say, normal people are sick of being labelled racists, fascists and Nazis because they refuse to accept uncontrolled immigration into their country. Politicians seem to care not one whit what the electorate think or want. Hence Merkel's opening wide of the doors in Germany without bothering to consult the voters and then demanding the rest of Europe take in their "fair share" of the overflow. Papers like The Guardian lie through their teeth to convince people to let in adults disguised as "children" into their countries to leech off their social welfare systems. "Children" like this one:

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55744

Does anyone in their right mind think this grown man - who has wrinkles on his forehead for Christ's sake - is a vulnerable 16-year old? Yet these are the type of lies being foisted on the public who are then labelled "racists" when they demand age checks. Would anyone like this man to be sitting down in school next to their 16-year old daughter?

Brexti? Trump? The left has brought this down on their own heads with their lies and their dishonesty. Well, the voters have now shown them what they think, haven't they?

Food for thought:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/uk-satirist-goes-passionate-rant-blaming-left-trump-victory-brexit-viral-video-946919



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Good Morni16d0ng.I have to say that i vote for who i think is the best candidate so i am not a staunch democrat or republican like a lot of folks can be. I actually would have liked for Mr. Rand Paul to win, but he was just too low key and mainly stuck to his concerns about the debt and budget. Every time i picked some one i liked, they got eliminated. So it boiled down to the 2. I waited until the very last minute to vote. I could not in good concious vote for Hillary. When i think about the Libyan Fiasco, i still literally get a cold chill. I saw the pictures of our American representative, he was cattle prodded, raped, burned and basically tortured to death even unto and after death. That was a photo i will not soon forget people. The Men who fought there were beggingfor helpThey were out numbered and out gunned. The order from the White House was to stand down. This was a hot issue here in America, there was some issue about a video tape and an American Mom was lied to over it. She blamed Hillary and is a grief stricken Mother to this very day. Why did she have to lose her son in this way when clearly help could have been there in a few minutes? Does anyone even know how much we value and love our sons and daughters in the service? So this is something bothering me and is very disturbing to me. Also my aunt told me that many of these so called rioters and trouble makers were paid and sent out by busloads. Then they have tapes of people sitting around and plotting how to get Trump and create chaos at his political rallies. I could have voted for the persona of a polished smiling Mrs. Clinton, i wanted to believe itbut i could not justify voting for her after so many lies surfaced. thanks for clarifying the plane and gun shooting incident Catpetal. And i hope "the Good ole Boys" way of doing things (you scratch my back , i'll scratch yours) and tagging other things on to a bill to pass it can be stopped I do not always understand the working of the system but i know one thing, it is deeply flawed the way it is.Hoping for a better Americai think we all want that.

I could not in good concious vote for Hillary. When i think about the Libyan Fiasco, i still literally get a cold chill. I saw the pictures of our American representative, he was cattle prodded, raped, burned and basically tortured to death even unto and after death. That was a photo i will not soon forget people. The Men who fought there were beggingfor helpThey were out numbered and out gunned. The order from the White House was to stand down.

Really? Yikes, I did not know that. I heard about the incident but never really learned anything in-depth about it. That is just horrifying.

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Yes, WP.This is something our Democratic Govt. let happenI really feel for the families of those men who were there to protect the compound, there were not many of them- and 3 of them were shot down plus the American Rep. was brutally tortured, his death mask was a frozen scream of pure and absolute terror. Finally some good men went against the order and came to the rescue to help the few remaining guy'sThey went against the order to "Stand Down" i believe there was a movie about this incident as well. The men came on TV and told their story. I think no one was supposed to survive so the real story could be suppressed. Check it out, a pretty low down deal.

Gads, Val that is truly horrible. I guess those men where hung out to dry? I can't stand Obama and am so glad he's leaving. He did nothing and I blame him for Putin's swaggering stances and power growth. The media though carry him around like he's a fragile piece of crystal. Everyone is howling that Trump wants to deport illegal immigrants but no one mentions that 2,5 million of the same were deported during the Obama administration. If they were deported by Obama, sweep it under the carpet but if they are deported by Trump, let's call it fascism. That's how hypocritical the press is.


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Oh, wp.

You blame Obama for Putin? Wouldn't it be better to blame Russians for Putin? Or indeed to blame Putin for Putin?

The "Media" like him because he's intelligent, statesmanlike and dignified.

The irony of the deportations none of those howling for the however-many-it-is (Trump had a guess but reports I've read said that guess is based on information which is not relevant to his case, and is itself a guess) seem not to "howl" in triumph that Obama has already deported that many. Which is to turn your point in its head, I know, but it was so easy to do.

The press (by which you no doubt mean the left-leaning press) are quite rightly pointing out that Trump is playing to the gallery again, picking up one piece of information from somewhere without bothering to check its validity, exaggerating the heck out of it then claiming to be able to do something which he manifestly won't be able to do yet will cost the American taxpayer countless millions of dollars.

You know what's going on in Trump Tower (oh, what a name - argh!) at the moment? Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law, is getting his own back for Chris Christie having imprisoned Kushner senior for, guess what, tax evasion and interfering with a witness. Now THAT'S ironic.

Have a look at this, Val. From a respected politician. This gives a good idea of what is happening (and clues as to why I, and others, are very worried.) I'm sorry you felt you couldn't vote for Rand - there is something wrong with the whole system, isn't there!

https://twitter.com/eliotacohen?lang=en

For which Hillary Clinton took responsibility, but was not responsible - I hope the distinction is clear.

While the event was clearly horrific, there have been many millions of horrific events in the world. To fixate on the distressing details of an event, then ignore the fact the Clinton was questioned for 19 hours about it and released without any blame being attached to her:

http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/hillary-101-no-nonsense-guide-clintons-role-benghazi/1623879/

and then to use disinformation (from Republicans determined to try to attack a man who was voted by the people to be their President) to judge Clinton not worthy of taking on a role for which she is far more qualified than Trump is, to my mind, folly. I don't personally blame any one individual American for making that choice, but I do think lessons need to be learned about how to find the facts rather than tag along after the soundbites.

I also think that to pick over this event and ignore the absolutely blatant lies Trump seems to feel are part of the process of making money and running a business is a very worrying trend. To see pictures of Trump dressed as a kind of Superman, with flags flying, is to wonder just how these misconceptions could have taken hold of one section of the American psyche.

That we are being disabused of that idea I don't doubt. That his method of setting one person against another in a kind of Darwinian experiment, to see if the fittest will survive, almost amuses me when you have a vice President who doesn't believe evolution is anything more than a theory. But being amused is what got us all here in the first place. It's all too real and proves we learn absolutely nothing from the past.

Catpetal, "The Road to hell is paved with Good Intentions" I said my piece you said yours and i still hold to my convictions about Mrs. Clinton. I hold firm about Mike Pence as well. Now.I believe i will have a cup of coffee and get on with my busy day.