Insomnia : which is better: norwegian vs. alaskan?

which is better: norwegian vs. alaskan?

i thought the original flick was better. they are very similar movies, but i think the pacing was better in the original. they pumped up the ending in the american version of the film, making it a little more exciting. neither version is what i would call a thriller though since both are pretty slow moving (american version being much more glacial than the norwegian)...

here's the original: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0119375

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Re: which is better: norwegian vs. alaskan?

I liked the original better also. The Alaskan version seems dramatized/overexplained. I think they made Pacino's character more upright (girl in car/shooting live dog).

Even though they are both good, I don't understand why they remade it.

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They remade it because Hollywood ran out of original ideas decades ago... very few people in the US would watch a foreign movie with subtitles... and even if they did, there would be no money in it for the studios...

So, they take a good story from a foreign film, dumb it down for American audiences (except in this case, they may have actually improved the story) and then they hype the hell out of it and sell tickets at $10.00 a pop!

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I'm from the Netherlands and I saw the original movie first. It really impressed me. So yesterday I wanted to see the remake, and holy *beep* it sucked. The storyline was much more cliché, and I couldn't stand the constant changing of camera angles. I stopped watching it after a while.

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if foreigners have such a problem with hollywood
why don't they decide to not watch our movies and stick with there own weak ass
films>
and uh...i dunno if i'm the only one on here that hasn't seen too many dutch movies but i'm pretty sure there not too popular
yep
seriously, french, german and english film industries have waaaaay! more output
bro
maybe it's because nobody other thatn dutch people speak dutch hmmm....

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whoops
i mean norwegian!
that's all...my bad

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Remakes... Am also from Europe [not from the Netherlands:)], have
nothing against them, as long as they're well made;what is 'well',what is 'crap' - everyone has his own opinion. "Insomnia" is an exceptionally interesting movie, whether Norw. of American; with Stellan and Al nothing [or almost nothing:)] can go wrong.
Can't say that "Nikita" by Besson is better than the remake with Bridget Fonda, just different. And "Sommersby" isn't worse than "Le Retour de Martin Guerre"
[The Return of...] with G. Depardieu.
It all depends. And if someone 'apriori' doesn't like remakes, why watching them?

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are you seriously so pro American that your on a site defending American movies against 'foreigners?' telling them
if they don't like it don't watch it? Hollywood is the babylon of the arts and your brainwashed, blind jingoistic patriotism is completely nauseating. "Those damn foreigners and their peculiar movies..."

Give me and the millions all over the globe a break my man. Wow.

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Nice. SHow how ignorant you are by saying the original is Dutch. It's Norwegian. Just like the other previous people said in the board. Jeez.
Well, I for one appreciate the original more. It takes a questionably "moral" man and it shows him descending into immorality. The ending is less clear cut - morally ambiguous - and it makes you think, which American movies don't want to let people engage in.
Skip the remake. It's twatterie.

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Absurd Planet--I don't usually respond to the ramblings of morons.....but Jesus....you're a total idiot. Foreign films are "weak ass"? And what, Hollywood is producing such original films now that they don't need to remake films? Oh wait, they do, and in this case, they did. Take a film class, then start posting your "comments".

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Man, the european, arrogant, self-importance is so thick in here you can cut it with a knife. I like Nolan's film more mainly due to the acting of the leads. And Das Boot is my 3rd favorite film of all-time so please, refrain from spewing european pompousness my way. Or not....

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Original. When I saw the remake in the theater I started laughing at really wrong moments. Terrible acting (I'm only tired when I drive or I mention it so everyone remembers? WTF), horrible pacing, just bad when compared to the original.

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I'm from Norway and have only seen the remake and I liked it a lot. I gotta agree that there are VERY few good norwegian films. I stay away from most non-american films. So far I've seen 1 halfway decent norwegian film. But the tides are about to change. The horror movie "Fritt Vilt" looks really cool and scary as hell.

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hate to burst your bubble, but this movie was filmed about 30 minutes north of vancouver, in canada.

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Filming Locations for
Insomnia (2002/I)
Alaska, USA
(aerial photography)


Hyder, Alaska, USA

Indian Arm, British Columbia, Canada

Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada

Squamish, British Columbia, Canada

Stewart, British Columbia, Canada

Valdez, Alaska, USA

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

It does say both Alaska and Canada.....

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Hyder and Stewart are side by side - you can walk right across the border to each little town. Hyder is more or less in Canada, since you can't reach it by road from the rest of Alaska. The majority of the filming was done in Stewart and Squamish.

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I think it is interesting to see American remakes of foreign films. The differences says lot about cultural differences if you ask me.

In the Norwegian movie every one is cold and indifferent to each other, in the American (at least in the beginning) everyone is very nice and friendly.

And then you have the clear moral of the American one. The "happy" ending, with everyone learning a valuable lesson. It is very interesting

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Erik Skjoldbjærg film is just great.. makes me dont want to see the remake...
the atmosphere.. the actors.. everything is perfect..
dont watch the remake... !!!!!
known faces and names wont make a film beter !!! (ok.. meybe for the north americans..)

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Let's say critics rate is 3.5 and Al Pacino version is 3.
Audience rate is higher for Pacino version though:
http://www.movie-remakes.com/film_detail.asp?id=66

Movie remakes compared to original
http://www.movie-remakes.com

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I didn't find the American version glacially paced at all; in fact I found it the more entertaining of the two, although the Norwegian version was excellent. Pacino was riveting as always.

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agree.



A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

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Skjoldbjærg's film is one of the best psychological thrillers I have ever watched. I only found out about it 5 years after watching Nolan's remake. Although I love Pacino in many films, I can't say he was a good choice after having seen the original acting by Skarsgård. I can't say that remaking the original makes any sense, really. It just felt like a poor attempt, a Hollywood twist on a perfectly good film: the atmosphere, the tension, the acting, all of it is better in the original. In my opinion, the only thing in the remake that was as good as in the original was Williams as the villain. He is as convincing as Floberg (who I also liked a lot in a completely different role in Hamer's "Salmer fra kjøkkenet").

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I love any number of difficult sub-titled films. But I couldn't belive how lame the original was. I much prefer Nolan's version.

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Norwegian version was the far better movie.

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I must say I like both and have just seen both for the first time in the last week. Overall I would say the remake is better. While Saarsgard is a fine underrated actor I think Pacino pulls off the leading role better (though it is hard to compare as the characters are so different and I dont speak Norweigen).

Also the remake is more slick with Nolan at the helm, no guarantee of higher quality generally but for a thriller I think this aides in the tension, in addition the insomnia effects are portrayed better.

On the genre subject I think the remake works much better as a thriller as the changes to the plot and character make it a more intricate and suspenseful. It all overlaps and ties together very well.

That is not necessarily a criticism of the original as it could be viewed as a character study, and yet even in that capacity I prefer the remake. Pacino's character is written and played with plenty of moral grey, his character is sympathetic and yet some of the things he does are unjust but could be for the 'greater good'. He is a deeply conflicted character and his fate ties everything together brilliantly (love his final line in the film).

The character in the original however has no 'moral grey', no conflict, he is just a downright awful person and as a result of less complexity his character prooves much less interesting.

Also a mention to both casts who are well selected and carry out their roles well.

This may sounds like I'm trying to discredit the original but I'm not, its really is a good film. But the remake knocked me sideways when I saw it, I honestly did not expect to be so impressed with the film or a 21st Century Pacino performance.

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I saw the original when I grabbed a copy of it in the foreign film section of Blockbuster. It really impressed me. I thought Stellan Skarsgård did a great job, and the story was much more honest than what Hollywood produces.

I then saw the remake in the theater - NOT REALIZING I was about to see a remake. It took me about 10-15 minutes in to figure it out, and from then on, I couldn't watch it without comparing it to the original, and (to put it simply) that ruined the movie for me.

Of course, the remake had better sets, better cinematography, and wasn't as dark as the original. The original could never do well in the U.S., but it clearly was a better film.

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It's close, but oddly for me I'd probably go for the Alaskan version. I think Pacino has been overrated since The Godfather II, but on this occasion he avoids all the hammy shouty nonsense that has become his stock and trade and even Williams puts in a great performance.

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Then you haven't seen his understated performance in:

Bobby Deerfield
Donnie Brasco
Chinese Coffee
You Don't Know Jack

Btw of you think Pacino shouted more in TGF3 then in TGF2, you're wrong.

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That's interesting, which other movies is he calmer in? I was really impressed with Insomnia (remake is much better) and want to watch more of his, but preferably in a similar... style. If any.

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I liked both versions and saw them pretty much back to back out of curiousity

The US version had better shots and it just looked like a tourist brochure in places BUT I thought the bleak look of the original was more suitable to the story

The acting was good in both but I preferred Williams as the killer...though I dont understand why his performance is considered his best. Pacino and Swank were ok. the lead in the original practically single handedly carried the first movie.

Characterisation/script - the US version seemed to take this in a different direction - good cop (on the whole) pays the price for a mistake and not coming clean about it...but tries to rectify it at the end - while the original version seems to be a story of a sleazy cop wants to frame anyone to escape being done for the killing of his partner - The US version has a lot more ambiguity and is more believable that the cop would "help" the killer under the circumstances yet try to set things right at the end

Now if the US version had a better look it would have been better than the original...somewhere between the 2 films is a truly great movie...these movies are good but not great

Was I the only person not impressed by the chase across the logs scene in the US version?

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The remake was way better.

The Swedish script seemed to be missing some key elements in regards to the character decisions.

The mood, the acting, the REASONS for the characters to do what they did just made a whole lot more sense in the American one.

Plus, Nolan naturally is a better director.

I knew that whenever I got there he'd be there. Then I woke up.

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Hmmm, I don't know. I think I like the Canadian version better than the Icelandic.

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