American Beauty : about topless females

about topless females

There are other threads on this board about the very brief exposure of the young actress's bare breasts. Some wonder if it was even legal. But that isn't the object of my question here.

Take these three situations:

(1) topless 4-yr-old girl

(2) topless 15-yr-old girl

(3) topless 21-yr-old girl

Now here is where it gets specific, for those of you who think it is OK for a 4-yr-old to pose topless and a 21-yr-old to pose topless, but do not think it is OK for a 15-yr-old to pose topless, how and why do you make that distinction?

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The obvious answer is tits. I don't care either way.

What am I gonna do... with a gun rack?

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so pedophilia = OK in your eyes?

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how and why do you make that distinction?

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TRex, it's simply explained as Morals

but you need to understand my own 1970 defn of Morals which says "a line in the sand drawn by people past their own prime that says young people shall go only as far as they went when they were young"

simple as that

we were a group of young people on board the Patris heading to London from Oz for our big Europe Adventure 45 years ago, and these words just sort of came from my mouth without really knowing [like my secret thoughts just came out] but I got a spontaneous round of applause [and got into the pants of one of the gals].

so something to be said for speaking one's mind.

so my answer is having had a 15 year old girlfriend who loved to flash her totally lovely tits back in 1965, a topless 15 year old is really the BEST, and as Teddy says in Jean Brodie to topless Sandy, by 18 a girl is starting to go over the hill [like Jean herself].

Remember that back in her OWN teen years Caroline used to flash her LOT [tits and pussy] to traffic helicopter.

So do I not approve of Humbert and 14 year old Lolita?

obviously I must answer yes, or my defn falls apart

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so by that logic you're cool with pedophilia?

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i'm surprised you don't understand. it's pedophilia when an adult is the one attracted. sure i notice boobs on underage girls but i don't act on those urges. like a civilized human being with dignity i can control those feelings when it's necessary. i didn't realize the boobs in this movie were underage so yeah, i got a boner like a typical straight guy and wanted a piece of that, but after i found out she was 16, i threw that fantasy out the window.

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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if you're attracted to 16 year olds, that's not my problem.

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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i did before i found out she was 16. i'm in my 20's so that's pretty weird from my end. i ain't trying to think about having sex with a minor.

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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giant? LOL i don't think you know what that means.

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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I wish Americans were less concerned about adolescent nudity and more concerned about being nice to people.

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I wish Americans were less concerned about adolescent nudity and more concerned about being nice to people.


I wish that jealous, bigoted non-Americans knew what they were talking about before speaking.

The vast majority of Americans I know ARE nice people, unlike people that make such sweeping, ignorant generalizations.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Really! People who have never lived in America just makes generalizations based on the few nasty Americans. There are nasty British, French, Italians, Japanese. There are also wonderful British, French, Italians, Japanese. Same goes for Americans. I've lived in America all of my life and I have of course known terrible people, but the majority are kind. Quit generalizing.

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the reasoning behind 4 year old and 21 year old nudity being acceptable is the same reasoning behind why naked babies are cute but naked teenagers (not adults, so younger than 18) aren't. a naked toddler is cute and silly because of their innocence, but someone who is older, understands sexual desires, but isn't an adult yet is a different story.

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Most people don't care about 4-year-olds (or babies) being nude because THEY are not sexually attracted to them. Pretty much every straight guy is attracted to 21-year-old women, so they react with sexual lust to seeing them naked.

People (especially in America) are just CONFUSED when it comes to 15-year-olds though. If you're REALLY not attracted to them AT ALL, it really shouldn't bother you if they're nude (just like with babies). If you ARE attracted to 15-year-old girls though and you're convinced that makes you a "pedophile", seeing them nude is going to get you all upset.

Here's the thing. 15-year-old girls often have fully developed breasts, hips, and pubic hair, and--depending on the girl--might be physically indistinguishable from a 20-year-old woman. OF COURSE, they're somewhat attractive to adult men. But if you're not trying to have sex with them (statutory rape) or wanting to see them in sexually explicit pornography (neither of which is healthy FOR THE GIRL), who cares if you find them a little sexually attractive? That's NOT "pedophilia" BY DEFINITION.

Besides, if you get excited seeing a 15-year-old girl naked, you probably get excited seeing her in a bikini or shorts and a halter top or a school uniform. That's just something YOU need to deal with. "Underage nudity" is a total non-issue as far as I'm concerned. No filmmaker can "make you" be sexually attracted to someone you're not already sexually attracted to.

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That's just something YOU need to deal with. "Underage nudity" is a total non-issue as far as I'm concerned. No filmmaker can "make you" be sexually attracted to someone you're not already sexually attracted to.

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Yes that is exactly why the movie has Angela as Lolita look alike, ie the Kubrick version, see below.

http://reviewamericanbeauty.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/the-hays-girls-lolita-and-angela.html

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I'm always uncomfortable with the idea of actual teenagers being nude on film, male or female. It doesn't happen often, but when it does I don't like it.

Here's what bugs me about it. A teenager is physically mature enough to be titilating to an audience, but not emotionally mature enough to make the decision to be naked in front of the world ..... forever. Thora Birch was only 16 when she was in American Beauty. Since then, now, and for the rest of her life (for the rest of all our lives) that image of her topless will be out there for anyone to see. Anyone with access to Google can bring it up at will. As it's turned out, Thora is now probably most well-known for her bare boobs, and that will probably be her public legacy forever. She knows that men across the country have salivated over her, first in a dark movie theater and later in dark basements. At 16, could she really anticipate all that? At 16, was she mature enough to balance all the factors and say, hey, I'm willing to take on the creepy burden of putting my naked body out there for the world to see, in perpetuity, for a shot at boosting my career? Was it really fair for Thora's parents to make that decision for her? It's easy for them to sign a release -- it's not their nude bodies captured on websites like Mr. Skin 16 years later.

A 4 year old isn't sexually mature and therefore isn't sexually titilating to a healthy audience. And the four year-old likely won't be recognizable to the world 20 years later. A topless image of you at 4 years old, frozen in time, isn't the same burden as a topless image of you at 16 frozen in time.

And a 21 year-old is an adult in every way. Old enought to vote, old enough to drink, etc. It may be the case that some 21 year olds are, in fact, as immature as teenagers, but at some point we have to draw a line and say on this side of the line you're just an adult and your decisions are your own. 21 is on the right side of that line.

Don't mistake any of what I'm saying as puritanical. I don't think there's anything wrong with nudity generally, and believe me, I enjoy seeing a pair of boobs on screen as much as any other red-blooded straight guy. But when the person onscreen is a teenager, I feel like that kid's being exploited. I feel like he/she is being put in a position to be mortified by it years after the fact (even if he/she consents to it at the time), for the commercial gain of the fillmmakers and the sexual pleasure of the audience. It's gross.

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Bneidl, you provide interesting and worthwhile points. When I wrote my original post it was only with the person viewing in mind, but you put the perspective onto the one being viewed and your points seem valid.

But only because of the particular set of morals adopted in certain places, like most of the USA. I am not now and never have been a practicing nudist but from what I can tell from the little I have read when children grow up in a nudist environment they attach nothing particular to seeing breasts on display, regardless of the age. So if the whole world practiced nudism (I'm not implying we should) then it would not be an issue at all.

But in the real world most of us guys grow up in, we know "private parts" (including breasts) are carefully kept hidden and most young boys get real excitement from a glimpse of the "forbidden." So from a boy's point of view, whether the breasts belong to a 15-yr-old or to a 21-yr-old his reaction will pretty much be the same.

But not to a 4-yr-old who is bare on top. So I suppose that means guys have a very special attachment to breasts. In the movie "Fight Club" the actor-singer Meat Loaf plays a man with well-developed breasts, although we never see him bare-chested. If we did would the reaction be the same to seeing a bare-chested female?

Or maybe it is the primordial comfort of the nursing on our momma's and it has to be a female?

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Thora is now probably most well-known for her bare boobs, and that will probably be her public legacy forever.

She really isn't. She's best known as being the talented young actress in Ghost World and American Beauty (and Hocus Pocus! Cool. Just perusing her filmography). Maybe you're the one with the problem here? Or you need to mix with a better class of person? Just a thought.

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No, stupid. If you run a Google Images search on Thora Birch you get more hits of her boobs than you do of her as her Ghost World character.

I'm not saying that's how it SHOULD be, I'm saying that's how it is.

I'm the one who said it's unfair to Thora, you *beep* dolt. I'm the one who said it's a shame she's reduced to that, you stupid sh*t. I DON'T care for that scene in American Beauty. I don't have the problem and I'm not here to affiliate with a "better class" of person.

Your post is so half-baked, so not-good-enough, so don't even try.

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No, stupid. If you run a Google Images search on Thora Birch you get more hits of her boobs than you do of her as her Ghost World character.


I don't. There actually aren't any images on Google Images of her actually topless. The scene in question ranks pretty high, but boobage actually isn't on display, perhaps because of the age issue. American Beauty is by far her most famous film, so it would rank higher than Ghost World regardless of nudity. The internet is a Porn Haven, but Google isn't as weighted toward the seedier side of things as you seem to believe. For example, Christina Ricci gets naked in pretty much every movie-- but search her name and you'll have to scroll for hours before coming across any notable flesh.

Have you considered the scene may have some thematic relevance? In a movie called American Beauty. Ask any male to pinpoint the most "beautiful" things in the world, and most would rank the female form highly.



Also. You seem very angry.

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for those of you who think it is OK for a 4-yr-old to pose topless and a 21-yr-old to pose topless, but do not think it is OK for a 15-yr-old to pose topless, how and why do you make that distinction?

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I have already answered but will try again from a different angle

A female's breasts [in any Darwinian species] are purely for the purpose of the propagation of the particular species, and Darwin ponders on why males too have nipples and why they too can sometimes supply milk to a new born thing.

Fast forward to america in our present/recent times and female breasts are at the top of the list in marketing ANYTHING at all.

It is no coincidence that Mendes has Lester as "a whore for the advertising industry" because his "cocoon" existence was CAUSED by his prolonged exposure TO that industry.

But that industry has already done "major damage" [as Mendes has Janie say] to the "minds" of J Does, hence the TREX question above of why americans are OBSESSED with breasts.

Understand now?

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This seems like a pretty obvious subject. Can't believe the OP even brought it up...

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man....
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