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WARNING: THIS MOVIE BLOWS

I mean, it REALLY blows. I usually don't go to forums of movies I don't like to trash them, but this ridiculous pile of steaming poo rates an exception. Just in case some unsuspecting schmuck (like myself) goes to IMDB before seeing a film to check out the user reviews and, for a brief moment, forgets that the filmmakers themselves have planted favorable reviews (as if). On every level, this movie blows. No one's time is so worthless that it should be wasted looking at this kind of stupidity.

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Why didn't you like it? What was so bad about the film that made you comment so venomously on it?

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What are you, like five years old?
Did it ever occur to you that, whatever the movie may be worth to you or others, just by calling it names you are saying absolutely nothing?
My poor friend, you would be so much better off trying to elaborate on why you hate it that much; I suppose that if you did, there would be a minimum value to your post, no matter what your personal conclusion on the movie's worth or worthlessness could be.
The way you write, I'm afraid, the only information you are making public is that you need to send these posts just to rant about something; it says nothing of significance about the movie itself, but it does say something about YOUR condition.
I haven't even seen the movie myself yet, and I'll grant that I'm just writing this to put you in your right place, as I'm really tired of people that, like you, use forums just to make a rant and blow some steam. And you say it is 'this movie' that is blowing? Well... I wonder if folks won't be finding your expression funny.
Please take some time to give all this some thought; it will only do you good.

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Yep. The story has been done before, and way better (The War at Home, Home of the Brave... heck, even First Blood was understood as an anti-war movie if one paid attention.) Anyways, good effort though.

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First Blood???? When I served (1970) this was a cult book in the service.... Original story? Rambo dies... Sly bought the book and changed the ending to create a francise to get rich off the Vet sad story.... BTW the original books Sheriff was a Korean vet and not a Viet Nam era vet which is why the Sheriff could not understand Rambo mind frame as his war was a different war. The soldiers were more able to come home whereas the Viet era vet never made it... Which is why in this movie the Iraq war was compared to the Viet Nam war.... Nothing worse to survive and not be backed by the home people... unless crippled so bad as to rot in a VA hospital to only look forward to when the war is finally over and the funding for the VA Hospital has been cut..... again.....

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An ending were Rambo dies was shot... it just didn't test well with audiences. Movies have to make money. When a movie doesn't test well, its assumed it won't make as much money. So you make changes to make the test audiences happy. End result... more money.

You seem to attack Sly with some bit of vehemence about creating "a francise to get rich off the Vet sad story." Do I feel horrible for what US troops had to endure in Vietnam? Yup. Do I think they deserve the same amount of respect we gave veterans of past conflicts? Heck yeah I do, in fact, I think they deserve even more. That said, the book "First Blood" is fiction... and it was written by a fella from Canada who had never actually been in a war.*

But, some fundamental changes were made to that story too. I think, what, four people die in the movie? Huge change compared to the book. They toned down the cold-blooded killer that was in the book to create even more sympathy for the trauma Rambo endured. They showed folks the profound impact the war had on its veterans... even if the movie was a bit over-the-top (sorry for the unintended reference to Sly's other work). At the same time they tried to capture the general disdain Americans had for their Vietnam veterans.

Is it the best way to convey this message? Probably not. Sly and team could have made a movie out of the book verbatim, but I think in the end they reached a lot more people then they would have otherwise. The rest either thought the movie sucked or just enjoyed some great action scenes.



*My comment about the author of "First Blood", David Morrell, being from Canada and not having served in the armed forces is not intended to reflect negatively on Mr Morrell or on the participation by Canadians in armed conflicts. Sadly, I feel I should make this distinction clear given the caliber of the posts I often see on IMDB.

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pfft, this was a great, interesting movie, and you must be 14 years old

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I completely agree with the OP. I am not sure exactly why it's a bad film.

I think the concept is good but the characters are not well developed. I mean the boss, the wife and the best mate at the beginning of the film seem to be really one sided, there is no redeeming feature, or at least a good enough motivation other than they are bad people.

The little girl is way too childish, and doesn't seem affected by the fact her dad just killed her mum and two little brothers, and seems to think praying will make everything work out, which is really stupid for a nine year old girl. I mean sure you can make such a character but I guess it would have to be someone somehow obsessed with religion, or maybe with a religious upbringing at least, or maybe something different. But you would need some sort of motivation! There is no such motivation in the film. She just does it.

And why does the main character kill the two kids? I mean he killed his wife in cold blood. He found the money, and he waited all night with a gun until she wakes up. Then he kills her. Ok, that's very reasonable, motivated and believable. But then he leaves and seems to kill the two kids in a spur of the moment sort of thing. It doesn't fit with this shy character who kills his wife for a perfectly valid reason. And he's an Irak soldier. So what, I mean why is that relevant? Does he remember anything from that time in his life? How does this add to the character?

I think the basic problem is that this is supposed to be a character driven piece, but the characters don't seem to drive the story because too many things that the characters do are not motivated. Things just happen to get the story from A to B which is why we don't believe the characters, we don't care for them, and get bored.

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"And why does the main character kill the two kids?"

His intent was to kill all the kids then himself. Only after the gun was empty and he had to reload it did he have a second to think and hear his daughter's pleas. This got to him. He couldn't kill her, then he couldn't shoot himself and leave her with no one. It was a mass murder-suicide gone wrong.

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While I agree I didn't think this was a good film, I disagree with your criticisms. Personally this movie had alot of potential to be *beep* amazing but they hired *beep* actors for the most part (except the main character who I think just had bad direction), Very *beep* production value in general, The music was abysmal- like I was cringing from the editing. Other then those superficial problems that were the product of bad production, I thought the movie could have been quite good.

I believe the slow, overly-mundane, snail like pace of the beginning was character development in itself (minus his boss who was just *beep* retarded, who ever that actor is needs to find a new career). The main character is unaffected by the ordinary despair-laden life he had at home and was consumed by guilt and hatred from the atrocities he committed while in Iraq. FYI: *beep* happening in the Iraq/Afghan war is considerably worse then Vietnam (and before you go all joe patriot on me, I've heard war story's from Iraq that parallel hell and have caused grown men to commit suicide and in fact murder their psychologically abusive spouse- So this movie is based in truth.)

"The little girl is way too childish, and doesn't seem affected by the fact her dad just killed her mum and two little brothers, and seems to think praying will make everything work out, which is really stupid for a nine year old girl" While I agree it is strange that the girl really seems unaffected by the fact her father MURDERED HER ENTIRE FAMILY IN COLD BLOOD- the rest of it is just playing on the girls innocence and seems to be somewhat of a commentary about the need for family. Even after seeing that she just wants to be with her father. She is still a child and that is how children are. but c'mon, he murdered the entire family with her right there.

And finally,
"he's an Irak soldier. So what, I mean why is that relevant? Does he remember anything from that time in his life? How does this add to the character? "
lol.
1) it's Iraq
2) Thats the ENTIRE *beep* POINT OF THE MOVIE NUMB NUTS
His time in Iraq *beep* up his (probably already) borderline psychological structure and through the event in the begining of the movie he goes *beep* postal and murders everybody around him and plans on killing himself.

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Way to blow the plot, karlitoffel01. You're supposed to put SPOILER WARNINGS in your posts if you're going to tell the whole bloody plot in the third sentence. When will people get it through their heads not to wreck films for people who haven't seen them????

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Firstly, Yes I know this is an old post on an old thread but, I read this particular post and really just wanted to say a few things and secondly, yes THIS WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS!


"The little girl is way too childish, and doesn't seem affected by the fact her dad just killed her mum and two little brothers, and seems to think praying will make everything work out, which is really stupid for a nine year old girl. I mean sure you can make such a character but I guess it would have to be someone somehow obsessed with religion, or maybe with a religious upbringing at least, or maybe something different. But you would need some sort of motivation! There is no such motivation in the film. She just does it. "

The little girl has just witnessed her father murder her mother and two brothers before attempting to turn his gun on her too - she's not unaffected by this by any means. She's suffering her own kind of PTSD and her way of dealing with what she has witnessed is to block it out. When they are hiding in the abandoned cabin and the police turn up she prays they'll go away, when they do she starts to believe god 'made it happen', something that is, in her mind, further supported when she prays again to have the car start. What she witnessed, what she's gone through is her motivation and that is pretty well established from the get-go.

"And why does the main character kill the two kids? I mean he killed his wife in cold blood. He found the money, and he waited all night with a gun until she wakes up. Then he kills her. Ok, that's very reasonable, motivated and believable. But then he leaves and seems to kill the two kids in a spur of the moment sort of thing."

There's no 'spur of the moment' to it. Jerry is suffering already, when the betrayal of everyone around him finally pushes him to breaking point he snaps - he has no intention of walking away from that trailer with any survivors. I can't quite wrap my head around anyone actually coming to the conclusion that it was 'spur of the moment' with regards to killing the children. He picks up his gun and he shoots his wife, he stands up and walks out of the trailer and without even a pause he shoots the two boys before turning to his daughter. It's very deliberate, not just in the 'storyline' but in the actual on-screen portrayal. There's no panic, no flapping around, no doubling back. How you can view it as anything but is beyond me.

"And he's an Irak soldier. So what, I mean why is that relevant? Does he remember anything from that time in his life? How does this add to the character?"

This is where I really can't understand what on earth you've been watching. I mean, I assume you HAVE actually seen this movie? The relevance is because he's come back from Iraq, like many soldiers, broken
and suffering at the very least with PTSD because of the things he's witnessed and the things he's done.

The fact that he recounts the entire episode of what happened in Fallujah that lead to his dismissal and why, to Max in the car shows alone that yes, CLEARLY, he remembers. The fact that once upon a time he was a proud soldier, doing what he felt was right for his country slowly turns into him being kicked out, branded no better than a murderer and left to rot in the hell of his own memories shows what this adds to his character. Do you really think anyone ever forgets the horrors they've seen over there or in any other combat zone?

Jerry thinks that he's doing the right thing because, as he says, he's a good soldier and he's been told they're wiping out a huge number of insurgents only to find out after the fact that all they've done is kill hundreds of innocent old men, women and children and when him and his squadron refuse to put bullets in anyone still alive they're scapegoated for the 'mistake'. In every news report on the murder of his family it's talked about how he was discharged for being a part of a squadron that did such a thing, even without murdering his family he still has everyone looking at him like he's the lowest of the low, all because he just followed orders.

His anger, his bitterness, his pain are all motivating factors for his actions alongside the psychological issues he returned with and it utterly blows my mind that anyone can question it's relevance or say the characters are unmotivated.

It doesn't matter whether or not you LIKE the movie, but come on, really?!

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You didn't say why you think this movie blows? Is it because it doesn't have a happy ending? Is it too controversial for you? Maybe you disagree with the character's views on the war and religion thus you think the movie blows?
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