The Outer Limits : TWILIGHT ZONE was MUCH BETTER
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Rod Serling had this to say about TZ: a third of the eps were great, a third were average and a third were terrible.
Outer Limits has a much better average.
The unholy triumvirate:
The Bat, the Trek, the Bond
Outer Limits has a much better average.
The unholy triumvirate:
The Bat, the Trek, the Bond
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The Twilight Zone ran for 5 seasons while The Outer Limits only had two. TZ has three times the episode count OL has, so it has a much higher chance for stinkers along way. In fact, the first two seasons of TZ were sheer brilliant with very few turkeys along the way. The time the series began producing more stinkers were in the final three seasons, when Serling got more tired and kinda ran out of ideas. The same would've happened probably with OL if it lives to see three more seasons.
BTW both shows are great in their own way, it's futile to compare the two. And they are also vastly different.
"A voice from behind me reminds me. Spread out your wings you are an angel."
BTW both shows are great in their own way, it's futile to compare the two. And they are also vastly different.
"A voice from behind me reminds me. Spread out your wings you are an angel."
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BTW both shows are great in their own way, it's futile to compare the two. And they are also vastly different.
I agree, you cannot choose, as it is asking to choose which child of yours is best.
Sure they each may do different things, and one may outshine the other from time to time, but who cares? They're both your children and no matter what, you can see the good and bad in each -- but still love them.
Me? I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.
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Itarex:
There were budget restraints with TOL. That is one reason why it was canned.
"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)
There were budget restraints with TOL. That is one reason why it was canned.
"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)
TZ & TOL
I don't care to make comparisons that slight older TV series, one against the other, as I prefer to enjoy each for its own individual qualities. Both The Twilight Zone and The The Outer Limits were fine series, with each having, built into them, due who had the most control over the series, its own strengths and weaknesses. For example: both shows had "heart", and each wore its heart on its sleeve. The TZ's Rod Serling was preachier, and more of a moralizer than the writers for TOL. In this, he made his job tougher due to his insistence on stressing morals emotionally, and emotions, morally.
TOL was overall more cerebral and seriously intellectual. Joe Stefano and others who wrote for the series, examined the human condition more broadly, more wisely, and they struck me as better educated and with greater sophistication than the TZ people. Rod Serling was streetwise, a city boy who knew about ballparks, pool rooms and corner bars.TOL's characters can be deeply flawed and wounded, and still perform heroically, bear whatever burdens they have to carry, and do it well. Rod Serling, a compassionate man, could yet deliver a verdict (as it were) about his unfortunate characters having to, having made their beds, now having sleep in them. Even the TOL characters who have "failed" life's challenges, still retain an integrity in their individuality, their resolve, their judgment and moral courage. This does not make these characters losers. It's not like that on TOL.
TOL was overall more cerebral and seriously intellectual. Joe Stefano and others who wrote for the series, examined the human condition more broadly, more wisely, and they struck me as better educated and with greater sophistication than the TZ people. Rod Serling was streetwise, a city boy who knew about ballparks, pool rooms and corner bars.TOL's characters can be deeply flawed and wounded, and still perform heroically, bear whatever burdens they have to carry, and do it well. Rod Serling, a compassionate man, could yet deliver a verdict (as it were) about his unfortunate characters having to, having made their beds, now having sleep in them. Even the TOL characters who have "failed" life's challenges, still retain an integrity in their individuality, their resolve, their judgment and moral courage. This does not make these characters losers. It's not like that on TOL.
TZ & TOL
An excellent review! I like them both, and any comparison is apples to oranges, imho.
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TZ & TOL
Thanks,MMC. Yes, different kinds of fruit; both taste good. Sometimes comparing things. whether food, films, television shows or music, can be fun, can lead to interesting conversations and insights.
TZ & TOL
You're welcome, telgonus.
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I know it is normal to compare Zone with Limits...as everybody does it...but they should not be compared all the time.
Zone was often fantasy with talking shopping store dolls, or angels that walk around the streets of 1959, or puppets that come to life on stage, or 1960s TV westerns that somehow come to life and become real, or the devil coming to life, and the devil coming to life again...and again...and again.
Does this sound like The Outer Limits to you?
Zone was often fantasy with talking shopping store dolls, or angels that walk around the streets of 1959, or puppets that come to life on stage, or 1960s TV westerns that somehow come to life and become real, or the devil coming to life, and the devil coming to life again...and again...and again.
Does this sound like The Outer Limits to you?
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Well put, StuOz.
"This show sucks" tells me all I need to know about the OP's maturity level and observational skills.
"This show sucks" tells me all I need to know about the OP's maturity level and observational skills.
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Yet again this RIDICULOUS comparison when OL was strictly cerebral
sci fi and TZ was fantasy-based. And TZ has a TON of awful episodes,
and I would argue that 95 percent of the fourth year (which ran a year)
was out and out dreadful. When TZ shone, it was - and remains -
captivating and stunning. But gawd, when it was bad it was BAD.
Both shows could be brilliant, but it is absurd to compare them.
sci fi and TZ was fantasy-based. And TZ has a TON of awful episodes,
and I would argue that 95 percent of the fourth year (which ran a year)
was out and out dreadful. When TZ shone, it was - and remains -
captivating and stunning. But gawd, when it was bad it was BAD.
Both shows could be brilliant, but it is absurd to compare them.
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I'll NEVER understand this need by some people to trash THE OUTER LIMITS in order to make THE TWILIGHT ZONE look better. It's so absurd, and unnecessary.
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What is so intelligent about it? They've been dull and absurd.
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They are brilliantly thoughtful, written, lit, shot and acted. There are
duds, and occasionally bad monster makeup, although the latter holds up
better than the horrible monster makeup in something like "Star Trek: The
Next Generation."
It is one of the most revered sci fi shows in history. If you don't get
it, or don't like it, don't watch it. But don't come here and troll about
it. At least not until you can compose a sentence that makes you look
older than a middle-school brat.
duds, and occasionally bad monster makeup, although the latter holds up
better than the horrible monster makeup in something like "Star Trek: The
Next Generation."
It is one of the most revered sci fi shows in history. If you don't get
it, or don't like it, don't watch it. But don't come here and troll about
it. At least not until you can compose a sentence that makes you look
older than a middle-school brat.
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I second that. Both TZ & TOL were intelligent, atmospheric examinations of the human condition , as well as thoughtful, philosophical speculation. Each series took a different approach, making each one distinctive & more sharply focused on its chosen direction. No need to set them against each other in a ridiculous, artificial competition. I'm glad we have both series, because they both hold up beautifully half a century later.
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IMHO it's comparing apples to oranges. I like them both but I must admit I LOVE the Zone,lol! Especially the marathon around New Years. OL was good also.
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TZ was kind of a buffet. Offering a well-crafted mixture of science fiction, allegorical fantasy, a few lighter-hearted fables, and one psychologtical thriller (starring Martin Landau) in equal measure.
But, in terms of straightforward sci-fi? I'd have to give the edge to OL.
But, in terms of straightforward sci-fi? I'd have to give the edge to OL.
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I agree that Twilight Zone is better but, that does not mean Outer Limits sucks. Outer Limits has some great episodes!
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OL had more monsters and aliens than TZ. LOTS more. I think that made it different from TZ. I like both shows equally.
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i loved the eerie, paranoid feeling that TOL gave us-as well as the nightmarish music of DOMINIC FRONTIER, who left after season 1
'The Twilight Zone' was and IS great, BUT…
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'The Outer Limits' was slightly better, imhfo! I love both shows, but I love 'TOL' a little more so than I love 'TTZ'.
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TZ was a great show but took itself too seriously, as did dear Rod Serling. Certain TZ eps are unwatchable because they are so preachy or because the acting is so hammy.
TOL was more fun and, as is often said, the hour format made for better storytelling. Of course the production values were not as good as the TZ. But I find that gives the TOL a certian charm that the TZ lacks.
TOL was more fun and, as is often said, the hour format made for better storytelling. Of course the production values were not as good as the TZ. But I find that gives the TOL a certian charm that the TZ lacks.
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They're both great shows. I love both, but they're quite different. TOL is more straight up science fiction, where TZ was a mix of fantasy , the unexplained, and occasional sci fi.
Can we agree that they're both better than much of what makes up television these days? The original Star Trek, too , is a fave of mine
Can we agree that they're both better than much of what makes up television these days? The original Star Trek, too , is a fave of mine
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Can we agree that they're both better than much of what makes up television these days?
yes indeed!
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'TTZ' is more POPULAR…BUT 'TOL' is better QUALITY.
"THAT'S SOME BAD SHIT, HARRY!".
"THAT'S SOME BAD SHIT, HARRY!".
TWILIGHT ZONE was MUCH BETTER