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So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

The last scene of the Muslim's Sheriff's son praying as a Muslim in this context was a final straw for me. T

The son was interested in Catholicism much to the dismay of his father. Bad things happen. He is resurrected. The show's message is religious is stupid. His final shot: he's praying as a Muslim, clearly insinuating that Christianity is bad and has now found the right path.

The show makes a point to have Beverly spout her so-called fanatical views. Not once do we hear the Sheriff spout his. He's a nice guy! He'd agree with Bev on a lot of things.


Mocking Christianity is the safest thing to make fun of, because it doesn't come with the leftist Twitter backlash as if one mocked the trans, Muslim, gay, Asian, community, etc. Only right-wingers care about mocking Christianity, apparently: not leftists. Big Tech doesn't care what right-wingers think because they don't hold enough power in social media backlash to initiate a cancel culture.

Mocking Islam, though, would get the leftist social media backlash. The show would be accused of being xenophobic and ethnocentric. But what they fail to realise is Islam is not a race, it is not synonymous with "brown people," but a religion, and one that has the same fundamental principles as the strictest version of Christianity. Muslims are not leftist: they'd never be on the moral side of the cancel culture defending them.

And then the cliche "God is the universe/cosmos" drivel. What's the Muslim's opinion on this? We don't get to hear it.

If you want to mock religion mock them all equally. This was so ridiculous.

And they tried to make Beverly look stupid but at least she followed scripture. Following scripture = bad.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Well said!

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PS I was thinking of watching this series. I just **** canned that idea! Thanks for the heads up.

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No watch it. The bloke who plays priest is amazing actor.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Is that Hamish Linklater? I liked him in Legion.

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Yes he's amazing in it.

He'd be a good Riddler in a serious Batman movie.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Okay then. Thanks.

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This looks hilarious. Roger Ebert gave it *** saying "Belief in heaven is commonplace. But surely only a stupid person would blow himself up to get there sooner." Right there I believe he has captured the central absurdity of Radical Islam.

I will check this out. Thanks!

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Christ, just go away, you ****ing retard.

Azn: “He (Orsen) now pretends to be in his 50s, but is in his 70s or close to 80 yo.”

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lol

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I loved Roger Ebert, I read his book

If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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Jesse Armstrong has co-written that, In The Loop, In The Thick of It, Peep Show and he created Succession.

Some guy

Azn: “He (Orsen) now pretends to be in his 50s, but is in his 70s or close to 80 yo.”

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Need to keep an eye out for him!

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Beverly didn't follow scripture. Nobody there did. The series mocks religious people in general.

God you're stupid! You're a stupid male chauvinist.

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Beverly did actually follow scripture. The show wants you to think she's a terrible person because she doesn't cherry-pick the Bible.

Look, scriptural morality isn't going to be accepted by mainstream.

Except a Christian wouldn't have thought of a brown person as a terrorist. Terrible out of character for Beverly. There is no respect for race for even the most fundamental of Christians.

Embarrassing for the screenplay writer. "Let's make Beverly a Christian militant who takes the Bible literally - oh, and a racist too!"

Yeah no. If you take the Bible literally, you're NOT a racist.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Beverly did actually follow scripture. The show wants you to think she's a terrible person because she doesn't cherry-pick the Bible.

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Stop for a second.

In the Bible, God says "thou shalt not kill"

Her Reverend wanted to commit mass murder. Beverly was an accomplice to mass murder. The blood was poison and Beverly knew it. She just didn't give a damn. She used parts of the bible in order to manipulate the minds of that church.

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Thou shalt not kill without cause.

I feel that most non-Christians will use a generic cliche verse like "love thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not kill" to support some leftist ideology.

God killed plenty of times in the Bible.


Pretend that you're Beverly, and sincerely believe in the Word of God, and your pastor whom you respect and admire suddenly gets God-like supernatural powers; in that context, it's quite understandable to believe the source is from God Himself.

To a Christian like her, it's best not to probe it too much as that would seem like you're questioning God himself, but to trust it and understand that any act from it is an act of God.

It is also a sin to reprimand the pastor, and it is a sin for a woman to question the man, especially the authority of a church, the messenger of God. Beverly, as a good Christian woman, is going to trust her male pastor.

So in this context, if Father John kills at eats the drunkard, Beverly is naturally going to assume it was the will of God, as drunkards are an abomination unto the Lord.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Thou shalt not kill without cause.

I feel that most non-Christians will use a generic cliche verse like "love thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not kill" to support some leftist ideology.

God killed plenty of times in the Bible.

You are too crazy for me. You sound like just like the character Beverly. Creepy.

Pretend that you're Beverly, and sincerely believe in the Word of God, and your pastor whom you respect and admire suddenly gets God-like supernatural powers; in that context, it's quite understandable to believe the source is from God Himself.

Impossible. I can't pretend to be the character because I haven't read the script nor have I worked with the director of the film.

To a Christian like her, it's best not to probe it too much as that would seem like you're questioning God himself, but to trust it and understand that any act from it is an act of God.

First of all, she wasn't a Christian. You would understand that had you read some of the bible and been to church services. Or had long discussions with people that are practicing Christianity. Ginny doesn't count.

It is also a sin to reprimand the pastor, and it is a sin for a woman to question the man, especially the authority of a church, the messenger of God. Beverly, as a good Christian woman, is going to trust her male pastor.

Actually it isn't. It's God first, man second. Jesus forgives sinners. People have options. Most importantly there is the Holy Bible. Always refer to scripture when in doubt. The problem was their leader was wrong from the beginning. If the leader of the church, or ordinary man is misleading, question his decision and pray about it. She can also find another church.

So in this context, if Father John kills at eats the drunkard, Beverly is naturally going to assume it was the will of God, as drunkards are an abomination unto the Lord.
Right so now you are back to the beginning again.

Thou shalt not kill.

God was talking about people. Thou shalt not kill other people. Remember when in the Bible, God made Moses document the 10 Commandments.

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You are too crazy for me. You sound like just like the character Beverly. Creepy.

But the point still stands.

First of all, she wasn't a Christian. You would understand that had you read some of the bible and been to church services. Or had long discussions with people that are practicing Christianity. Ginny doesn't count.

Who's Ginny? Ginny from Friday the 13th Part II?

Beverly was actually a very devout Christian. Good person? Maybe not. Kind and compassionate? Probably not. But her faith in Jesus was never in question. She believed that ****.

The only unChristian thing she did is call the brown man a terrorist. Racism is not found anywhere in Scripture. Obviously this was written in there to make her seem more unlikeable.

Every other time, she was quoting scripture to defend her seemingly unconventional and eccentric views. It was in there. So your argument is either 1) Christians shouldn't take the Bible literally or 2) Beverly was taken the verses out of context. Ok then, Biblical scholar, provide me with the appropriate context of every time Bev had a weird view.


Which churches have you attended? Joel Osteen? Do they have the word "community" in the title? Do they serve coffee and donuts? Do they ask if you want to play volleyball after the service? Do they use the NIV? lol

Go to a real, fire-and-brimstone Baptist church where they teach KJV-only scripture - not generic "God loves everyone" uplifting message that isn't scripturally-based.

Actually it isn't. It's God first, man second. Jesus forgives sinners. People have options. Most importantly there is the Holy Bible. Always refer to scripture when in doubt. The problem was their leader was wrong from the beginning. If the leader of the church, or ordinary man is misleading, question his decision and pray about it. She can also find another church.


1 Timothy 2:11-12 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 11:16 - The head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Titus 2:3-5 - The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

Jeremiah 3:15 - And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

1 Corinthians 11:7-12 - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

Hebrews 13:17 - Obey (pastors) that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.



Basically, from Beverly's eyes/perspective, someone who took scripture literally, I could understand her having a reverence for her (male) cleric and not to question his authority or his actions. As she noted, she doesn't cherry-pick the Bible. Had she accused the priest of murder or turned against him, she would've risked being a false accuser, too.

This isn't to say I agree with Bev's (lack of) actions or handling of the situation, but I could understand her response to it due to her beliefs.

In fact, she could very helpful to the priest at times. When Father John (accidentally) killed the drunkard guy after gashing his head on the coffee table, she didn't panic, nag, but kept calm, and tried to motivate hapless priest back to give his sermon. That's something a good woman would do for her man.

Right so now you are back to the beginning again.

Thou shalt not kill.

God was talking about people. Thou shalt not kill other people. Remember when in the Bible, God made Moses document the 10 Commandments.

The "kill" was translated from the Hebrew word phonetically "ratzach" which is we what call murder, or more literally killing without cause.

The day Moses presenting these commandments, God killed so many people by un-parting the Red Sea. He broke his own Commandment.

God supports killing in certain circumstances.

Romans 13:4 - The minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. 16And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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I knew you were going to try to pull us into a mock Christian bible study class.

To hell with you, idiot. You can't start quoting scripture unless you know God and Jesus. You can't pick up the bible and study it the way we do a textbook. You have to get your mind, body and soul prepared before using what's written.

And you had attended at least a year of church services.

But you, you don't know. It's so obvious to me. Now I'm through with this particular part of the overall discussion.

I think both religions are mocked

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"Thou shall not commit murder" actually.


Thou shalt not kill (LXX; οὐ φονεύσεις), You shall not murder (Hebrew: לֹא תִּרְצָח ‎; lo tirṣaḥ) or You shall not kill (KJV), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah. The imperative not to kill is in the context of unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.

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People often get this one wrong. The Ten Commandments state "murder" not "kill."

Am I missing something? I could be missing something. I often miss things.

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There is no rational argument you can make that this series was mocking Christianity in any way whatsoever. In fact, it is deeply respectful of all religions and the religious impulse in general.

I'm an atheist, so I tend to prefer to see religion mocked, FYI. But in this context that would not have worked tonally.

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It also mocks vampirism and vampire cults.

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It doesn't mock any of those things, either.

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Yes it does. The Master Vampire. C'mon that thing was a joke. It wouldn't even save itself because it was too busy feeding. It actually believed that it could masquerade as an Angel of God.

Lol..the whole thing was funny. Laugh!!

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You obviously have no capacity whatsoever to correctly interpret the artist's intentions.

That's okay, because another thing painfully obvious about you is that you prefer to live in your crazy head rather than objective reality.

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artist's intentions.


I like how you object so wholeheartedly that u think it makes you correct and us incorrect. Lol!

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If you are not the nutcase I think you are, then it should be easy for you to survey reviews of the series and point out how a majority of critics interpreted the same way as you.

But you can't.

Next thing, you're going to be telling me that The Exorcist was also mocking Christianity and that the demon Pazuzu was hilarious.

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Did you watch the ****ing series asshole???


You have a church preaching their own interpretation of the Holy Bible. First of all Catholics is a cult religion. Islam is a cult religion.


The Master Vampire allowed itself to be burned with fire because it was too busy feeding. It allowed its wings to be slit because it was too busy feeding off it's victims.


The sheriff was a joke. His son was an idiot.

Vampires have no soul. They aren't supposed to have a guilty conscience. They aren't supposed to be suicidal either.

The series makes fun of religious people and vampire worshippers like Leopold and Lilith.

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Your complete disconnection from any sane reality has been duly noted, **** for brains.

Again: if you are right and not just a dumb as **** lunatic, then find me a majority of critics who watched the same series you did and came to exactly the same conclusion that you did.

You can't. Why is that, other than that you are simply insane?

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This show was basic as **** and the only good thing about it was how magnificent Hamish Linklater was, so it really doesn’t deserve the faux-intellectual discussion seen here. It literally ended with some characters eating other other, apart from the good guys we were meant to route for. The characterisation and plot progression fell off a cliff after episode 5.

I will add, however, that you actually remind me of the vampire demon, emerging from a cave and sucking the life out of people.

Are you a sock or are you really just some hideously autistic freak that ‘emerges’ from a cave to vent hate and call people ‘****nuts’?

I have more than a sneaky suspicion who you really are, you angry, little man wink.gif.

Azn: “He (Orsen) now pretends to be in his 50s, but is in his 70s or close to 80 yo.”

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He never answered your question did he?

I suspect he backed off because he was trying to force me to accept that all those critics think alike and their opinions are superior to all other opinions or other interpretations. You proved him wrong by being as honest as possible about this lame vampire series.

It really did try to be intellectual. I think they wanted thought provoking discussions but look at this thread. It's stupid. I believe when the writer or director deliberately makes the plot of their movie confusing for the audience, it is an intensional effort of their part to seem intellectual.

Anyway. I didn't mind the series at all. It was interesting.

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Donna, you’re completely correct here. You go from making awesome posts to losing your ****.

You’re quite something.

Ps - your awesome posts are about 15%, but this still makes you one of the best posters here.

Azn: “He (Orsen) now pretends to be in his 50s, but is in his 70s or close to 80 yo.”

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They get on my nerves all the time. It would get on anyone's nerves. That's why they act the way they do. They wanna get on my nerves. They push your buttons and then play like a victim. They aren't victims.

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Sure it does if you can understand the subtext.

The townspeople are Catholic. Father John is Catholic.

Beverly is the typical Sarah Palin/Westboro Baptist Church militant who reassures Father John when he kills and eats people: "It was God's plan, he was a drunkard anyway, a fornicator, gays go to hell, yada yada."

Beverly tells her Christian peers not to cherry-pick the Bible when they question helping Father John move the dead body. Taking Bible literally = bad.

Father John says he feels no guilt or remorse when he does bad things to people, that God has removed it from him, and it's not a burden. Riley feels guilt and Riley has doubts about religion or at least not as Christian as Father John. Having doubts = having emotions. Too much God = no remorse for others.

Episode 4-5: Erin gives speech about her daughter and hoping to see her in Heaven one day. Last episode: Erin realises God is just energy and the end times are the cosmos. Basically God doesn't exist and this is the uplifting final monologue in the series.

The only people in the town who aren't Christian are the Muslim sheriff and his son.

The Muslim sheriff is there to give Beverly, the primary antagonist, the Christian militant, someone who be hateful towards and call a terrorist. The Muslim is the sweet sympathetic victim here.

The Sheriff's son was interested in joining the Catholic church much to the dismay of his father, and expressed interest in leaving the Muslim faith to become a Christian.

The show ends with the Muslim's son praying as a Muslim. The message here is, the son learned the error of his ways of trying to get involved with Christianity and is now back where he belongs - a Muslim. Which, I add, doesn't make sense when the show said religion is silly.

Now:

The Sheriff is Muslim, but his Muslim faith was never scrutinized. The show's subtext only wanted to criticize religion of the Christian characters.

The Muslim would have views aligned with Beverly's, but we (conveniently) never see him go into Beverly-mode and talk about it. I wonder why. Get it, now?

If they made the main character a Muslim iman instead of a priest, social media would accuse the show of being xenophobic and racist.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Sure it does if you can understand the subtext.

You did a very good job articulating how the show dealt with the subject of religion, but unfortunately you very clearly do not understand the actual meaning of the word "mocked". In no sense whatsoever does anything you cite about the show amount to "mocking".

Here is the dictionary definition from Merriam Webster:


Definition of mockery

1 : insulting or contemptuous action or speech : derision laying himself open to the jeers and mockeries of his rebellious subjects— E. A. Freeman
2 : a subject of laughter, derision, or sport making him turn himself into a merry mockery of all he had once held dear— O. St. John Gogarty
3a : a counterfeit appearance : imitation if it was not a man it was a huge and grotesque mockery of man— E. R. Burroughs
b : an insincere, contemptible, or impertinent (see impertinent sense 1a) imitation makes a mockery of justice
4 : something ridiculously or impudently (see impudent sense 1) unsuitable in her bitterness she felt that all rejoicing was mockery— George Eliot


In fact, everything you wrote about supports my contention that the show is very sincerely and respectfully critiquing religion, not mocking it.

Alas, so many Christians are such little snowflakes that anything short of full out adulation of their religion is seen as an affront, which is just pathetic.

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You did a very good job articulating how the show dealt with the subject of religion.

And that would be fine if it did it with religion. But it was a critique of Christianity.

I'll even use your word here: Critique. Semantics. The only religion the show critiqued was Catholicism.

It did not critique Islam. We have a Muslim character, and the script gave him no opportunity to share his views on certain subjects like fornication, gay marriage, pray in school, and the afterlife are. The Muslim character was not there to be "critiqued" - he's there to be sympathised with, and make him the victim of racism and oppression in an entirely Christian-run town.

It didn't critique RELIGION. It was a critique of American conservatives more than religion.

The attempt at social commentary was a sloppy mess: it'd have messages like the afterlife being bullshit, God is bullshit, but then go into how Christians are racist against Muslims. WHAT? The latter one is not a religious issue - that's a political one.

If it wanted a "religious is bullshit" message, which it did not, then it'd touch on how 72 virgins is ridiculous and how Jewish people wear stupid hats. It only "critiqued" CHRISTIAN motifs.

Do you understand, now?

The kid PRAYING AS A MUSLIM at the climax is proof in itself! How could you argue that? This kid's arc began with him questioning Islam, wanting to join the Christian church, and attend the vigils they have, to the dismay of his father.

Well, 7 episodes in, kid learns the Christian church he was interested in are a bunch of blood-eating zombies, so he converts back to Islam! Does he know that Christian churches exist where there aren't zombies? Did he think to give them a try first before jumping to conclusions? Message: Christianity = cult. Islam = ok.

Then Erin has the whole ending monologue where she came an atheist realization about how we are just energy, God is the cosmos, etc., juxtaposed with the Muslims praying the Maghrib, which contradicts Erin's message! The Muslims wouldn't agree with Erin's message, but let's ignore that!

Muslims = accepted their upcoming deaths with bravery
Christians = scared to die, trying to find a place to hide.

Do you understand that this show would never have Father John and Beverly be Muslims, because a major television show and film studio would never have the balls to portray Islam negatively?


You cannot disagree with this if you are objective and hold no biases. It's all right there.


Alas, so many Christians are such little snowflakes that anything short of full out adulation of their religion is seen as an affront, which is just pathetic.

Don't assume anything I didn't tell you. My conclusion just from being objective and impartial. It is perhaps you who have the bias. Perhaps you're a leftist and non-Christian and like Muslims.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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I'll even use your word here: Critique. Semantics. The only religion the show critiqued was Catholicism.

So ****ing what? The show's creator was raised Catholic and he was using his art to think through his thoughts on that experience and his maturing attitudes about his religion. Why are you so mindlessly butthurt over this to the point where you start an idiotic thread falsely claiming he was mocking Christianity when in fact he wasn't?

The attempt at social commentary was a sloppy mess: it'd have messages like the afterlife being bullshit, God is bullshit, but then go into how Christians are racist against Muslims. WHAT? The latter one is not a religious issue - that's a political one.

It is both religious and political. Only someone extraordinarily naive thinks the two don't often overlap one another.

If it wanted a "religious is bullshit" message, which it did not, then it'd touch on how 72 virgins is ridiculous and how Jewish people wear stupid hats. It only "critiqued" CHRISTIAN motifs.

Grow up and deal with it. The show's creator lives in a predominantly Christian culture and was raised under that religion. So he's addressing some concerns.

Do you understand, now?

What I understand is that you are at least not repeating the dumb-as-**** claim that the series is mocking Christianity, which shows that even you can grow a bit intellectually.

Message: Christianity = cult. Islam = ok.

Actual message: Athena Skye cannot rationally, intelligently, or accurately interpret this series if her life depended on it, due to being a pathetic snowflake who cannot accept anything resembling criticism of Christianity.

Do you understand that this show would never have Father John and Beverly be Muslims, because a major television show and film studio would never have the balls to portray Islam negatively?

Do you understand that Mike Flanagan lives in a culture not only dominated by Christians, but has fire breathing anti-democratic fundamentalists in serious positions of power, whereas Muslims are an insignificant minority with no power?

Smart artists pay attention to what matters around them. Freaks like you are obsessed with the utterly insignificant.

It is perhaps you who have the bias. Perhaps you're a leftist and non-Christian and like Muslims.

I'm a far leftist and an atheist who thinks Islam is absurd and stupid, but no more absurd and stupid than any other religion which emerged from that part of the world.

However, Muslims aren't the ones trying to teach Creationism in schools. Christians are. Muslims in my country aren't organizing and successfully wielding actual power to oppose LGBTQ and trans rights. Christians are. Whack job Muslim fundamentalists aren't on the Supreme Court. Christians are. There are no Muslim politicians in my country who openly and brazenly say they want to install a theocratic government to replace constitutional democracy. But there are plenty of Christians who have.

So, sweetie pie, I'll let nutcases like you live in fear of imaginary Muslims hiding under your bed just waiting to force you to wear a headscarf.

Meanwhile, my personal concerns will be what is objectively happening in the real world.

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Wow he just provided you with all the self gratitude you needed to soothe your overwhelming ego and schizophrenia.

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Sure it does if you can understand the subtext.

The townspeople are Catholic. Father John is Catholic.

Beverly is the typical Sarah Palin/Westboro Baptist Church militant who reassures Father John when he kills and eats people: "It was God's plan, he was a drunkard anyway, a fornicator, gays go to hell, yada yada."

Beverly tells her Christian peers not to cherry-pick the Bible when they question helping Father John move the dead body. Taking Bible literally = bad.

Father John says he feels no guilt or remorse when he does bad things to people, that God has removed it from him, and it's not a burden. Riley feels guilt and Riley has doubts about religion or at least not as Christian as Father John. Having doubts = having emotions. Too much God = no remorse for others.

Episode 4-5: Erin gives speech about her daughter and hoping to see her in Heaven one day. Last episode: Erin realises God is just energy and the end times are the cosmos. Basically God doesn't exist and this is the uplifting final monologue in the series.

The only people in the town who aren't Christian are the Muslim sheriff and his son.

The Muslim sheriff is there to give Beverly, the primary antagonist, the Christian militant, someone who be hateful towards and call a terrorist. The Muslim is the sweet sympathetic victim here.

The Sheriff's son was interested in joining the Catholic church much to the dismay of his father, and expressed interest in leaving the Muslim faith to become a Christian.

The show ends with the Muslim's son praying as a Muslim. The message here is, the son learned the error of his ways of trying to get involved with Christianity and is now back where he belongs - a Muslim. Which, I add, doesn't make sense when the show said religion is silly.

Now:

The Sheriff is Muslim, but his Muslim faith was never scrutinized. The show's subtext only wanted to criticize religion of the Christian characters.

The Muslim would have views aligned with Beverly's, but we (conveniently) never see him go into Beverly-mode and talk about it. I wonder why. Get it, now?

If they made the main character a Muslim iman instead of a priest, social media would accuse the show of being xenophobic and racist.

Careful now. You're starting to look like a crazy person that thinks there are hidden messages coded within motion pictures.

You might want a med adjustment
Just saying.


Also, the son was still somewhat human. He wasn't completely monster like their Master Vampire.

The need to feed satiated
He could think clearly again nd saw that he became a killer.

Burning the vampire coven's refuge was that boy's way of sacrificing his life and killing the coven in to save humanity. Heroism.

That self sacrifice I think gets you into Heaven which is a principle of Christianity.

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

Plot device. Islamic people do not "drink the blood of Christ" as part of their worshipping service so their prayers would not fit into the writer's story line, therefore their practice is safe from the wine/blood corruption that occurred.

Am I missing something? I could be missing something. I often miss things.

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

^^^actually a really good answer. I also noticed you made fun of someone the other day and it was borderline funny🧐

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

Christians don't drink the blood of Christ either. Nowhere in the bible does Christ actually feed people his own blood and human flesh.


I'm sure anyone could probably taste the difference between wine and blood anyway. It looks different, flows differently and different taste.

The communion is a little bit of grape juice and a small communion wafer.

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

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There WERE Muslim characters here. I'm talking about those ones. I'm not talking about what they show's premise should be, I'm referring to in the story itself already having watched it.

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

So you misunderstood the show, and you wanted to tell us how you did that.

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

Surely you didn’t enjoy the ending?

It was embarrassing bad, my friend.

Azn: “He (Orsen) now pretends to be in his 50s, but is in his 70s or close to 80 yo.”

Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

It was not as strong as the rest of the show but not as bad as you make it out to be. The ending of the Haunting of Hill House was more of a cop-out.

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Re: So let's mock Christianity but not Islam.

Very true.
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