Star Trek: The Next Generation : My absolute hatred for this show
Re: My absolute hatred for this show
Wow, you probably shouldn't watch it any more.
Re: My absolute hatred for this show
Wow, you probably shouldn't watch it any more.
OMG ROFLMAO
Nope he probably shouldn't.
Thanks for the laugh
GlobalWarmer
I can teach you how to shoot so close to a raccoon that he craps himself.
Re: My absolute hatred for this show
Then why come here, you know, Global? Makes no sense.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.
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I'm an humble, tolerant and eager film goer and lover of the arts.
I'm an expert on Sci-Fi books, films and television series
It's statements like this that make me wonder if a person has two dicks
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He's a humble expert, Frosted. An oxymoron.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. 2016 is the worst!
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. 2016 is the worst!
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Well, the second half of that anyway.
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Star Trek also follows cliches and formulas
it's not really "following a cliche" if you create them in the first place and everyone copies them and makes them cliche.
"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"
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Well, as one of the biggest critics of this show, and Lord knows how many people on this board fully know how much I am, I would say, in many cases, you are right. It is an anti-American communist utopian vision of the future of humanity. I am often the first to show that this show clearly wants to show what it wants to show, often without examining other factors.
But, I've never called this show dull. Quite the contrary, because if it were, I'd not be here. You don't see me haunting Babylon 5 for it's leftist narratives (for which there are many), because nobody cares about B5. I don't even call the Holodeck stuff "pulp novel fanstasy drivel," because I'm a huge fan of a lot of the old pulp novels (especially any of The Shadow), and they're generally much better, but I've considered them terrible. Flawed, certainly, but given what they were, they were rather entertaining, especially the two with Moriarty.
I consider TNG being made about the time Hollywood had completely shed any moral compass they may have had. For that, it must be criticized because without moral compass, you can't make good compelling drama (which is why The Twilight Zone has become classic over The Outer Limits).
Does TNG pander to the lowest common denominator? No. Sometimes it does, but most of the time it doesn't. I can at the least give some credit where it's due and say the people behind it had some guts to display some concepts no other sci-fi show would dare, not even TOS. Still, it has to be examined for, if nothing else, to get people to actually think about what they're watching, rather than be spoon-fed drivel and then accept it as "progress." I don't know where to begin with this, but let's say that I find TNG to be good because it had good acting, good production values, and at least tried to do something with a continuity in the wake of Gene's death.
But, I've never called this show dull. Quite the contrary, because if it were, I'd not be here. You don't see me haunting Babylon 5 for it's leftist narratives (for which there are many), because nobody cares about B5. I don't even call the Holodeck stuff "pulp novel fanstasy drivel," because I'm a huge fan of a lot of the old pulp novels (especially any of The Shadow), and they're generally much better, but I've considered them terrible. Flawed, certainly, but given what they were, they were rather entertaining, especially the two with Moriarty.
I consider TNG being made about the time Hollywood had completely shed any moral compass they may have had. For that, it must be criticized because without moral compass, you can't make good compelling drama (which is why The Twilight Zone has become classic over The Outer Limits).
Does TNG pander to the lowest common denominator? No. Sometimes it does, but most of the time it doesn't. I can at the least give some credit where it's due and say the people behind it had some guts to display some concepts no other sci-fi show would dare, not even TOS. Still, it has to be examined for, if nothing else, to get people to actually think about what they're watching, rather than be spoon-fed drivel and then accept it as "progress." I don't know where to begin with this, but let's say that I find TNG to be good because it had good acting, good production values, and at least tried to do something with a continuity in the wake of Gene's death.
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You don't see me haunting Babylon 5 for it's leftist narratives (for which there are many), because nobody cares about B5.
Long-time Babylon 5 fan here (since the pilot aired, in fact) to WyldeGoose: F-CK YOU.
Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?
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Seconded, B5 is a remarkable achievement.
Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.
Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.
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As I said, nobody cares about B5.
Say that title in mixed company, one where most of the people there don't go to Comic-Con, and chances are if anyone remembers that show it's because they heard about it once.
Babylon 5 was a good show, and at least it wasn't so pretentious that it claimed to show a vision of the future as if it was going to happen, the way Star Trek has every lustral anniversary. I don't see cults of B5 fans dreaming of a socialist utopia patterned after it (which would be even more dystopian and accurate than Star Trek's).
Say that title in mixed company, one where most of the people there don't go to Comic-Con, and chances are if anyone remembers that show it's because they heard about it once.
Babylon 5 was a good show, and at least it wasn't so pretentious that it claimed to show a vision of the future as if it was going to happen, the way Star Trek has every lustral anniversary. I don't see cults of B5 fans dreaming of a socialist utopia patterned after it (which would be even more dystopian and accurate than Star Trek's).
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Why does no-one care about Babylon 5? I can only blame the now-primitive CGI. Even in the pilot, it was particularly ropey.
Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?
Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?
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It's garbage, for. TNG is the only Trek worth caring about.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. 2016 is the worst!
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. 2016 is the worst!
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You have to remember this show came about after World War 2 and the great economic boom of the 50's. A lot of diseases that crippled or killed had been eradicated. Sexually transmitted diseases appeared to have been tamed and modern conveniences such as running water ( hot and cold ), air-conditioning, refrigerators and ice makers, paved roads instead of dirt, etc had become the norm. What not that long before would have been absolute luxuries had become the norm.
U.S. society and it's general living standards had far surpassed what any sane person could have predicted. The " generation gap " between the boomers and their parents came about in part because the boomers could not relate to the general poverty and lack of conveniences that their parents experienced growing up and indeed that most of humanity had experienced growing up.
Even Kings and Queens of old lacked the quality of medical care, air-conditioning and clothing, the wide variety of foods available in any supermarket or store, the quality of soaps and shampoos that are available to us.
The idea of a future utopia where hunger and poverty for everyone had been wiped out was not that far-fetched, as the U.S. was seemingly say three quarters of the way there already.
The moon landings only fueled this great optimism. The boomers though did abuse medical advances that cured STD's, they pushed sexual activity to an absolute limit that began to defy the limits of medicine and the ability to cure STD's.
Going to Mars in terms of manned flight turned out to be a lot more problematic than people thought. I think we discovered that technology no matter how great it may seem has it limits. Technology can appear to be magical, but that doesn't mean that it is.
Star Trek had a certain basis in science, such as using fusion for sublight flight and matter/antimatter mixing to provide the amount of power required for faster-than-light travel. This was a big improvement over say Buck Rodgers where they fired rockets and rather instantly went from the Earth to say Mars.
The problem though is that it may appear that this has a rock solid basis in science when in fact it does not. If it did, we would already have warp engines in the real world.
As for simple stories, well it was a series and not a movie so you couldn't have your main characters severely injured or killed off and keep the show going.
U.S. society and it's general living standards had far surpassed what any sane person could have predicted. The " generation gap " between the boomers and their parents came about in part because the boomers could not relate to the general poverty and lack of conveniences that their parents experienced growing up and indeed that most of humanity had experienced growing up.
Even Kings and Queens of old lacked the quality of medical care, air-conditioning and clothing, the wide variety of foods available in any supermarket or store, the quality of soaps and shampoos that are available to us.
The idea of a future utopia where hunger and poverty for everyone had been wiped out was not that far-fetched, as the U.S. was seemingly say three quarters of the way there already.
The moon landings only fueled this great optimism. The boomers though did abuse medical advances that cured STD's, they pushed sexual activity to an absolute limit that began to defy the limits of medicine and the ability to cure STD's.
Going to Mars in terms of manned flight turned out to be a lot more problematic than people thought. I think we discovered that technology no matter how great it may seem has it limits. Technology can appear to be magical, but that doesn't mean that it is.
Star Trek had a certain basis in science, such as using fusion for sublight flight and matter/antimatter mixing to provide the amount of power required for faster-than-light travel. This was a big improvement over say Buck Rodgers where they fired rockets and rather instantly went from the Earth to say Mars.
The problem though is that it may appear that this has a rock solid basis in science when in fact it does not. If it did, we would already have warp engines in the real world.
As for simple stories, well it was a series and not a movie so you couldn't have your main characters severely injured or killed off and keep the show going.
Re: My absolute hatred for this show
F-ck off, TROLL OP.
Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?
Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?
Re: My absolute hatred for this show
I second FoeBane.
And the ass is on my long ignore list now.
No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed
And the ass is on my long ignore list now.
No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed
Re: My absolute hatred for this show
Obviously he doesn't have a leg to stand on. He hasn't been back.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. 2016 is the worst!
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. 2016 is the worst!
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This seems to be such general criticism of Star Trek why have you posted it on T-N-G? I thought being an expert on Sci Fi there is a first series and newer series. Seems random posting this on T-N-G for no reason.
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Obviously a troll, Pearl.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.
RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.
My absolute hatred for this show
I feel as an intelligent critic, Star Trek, is dull. It's a show that panders to the lowest common denominator. 2001: ASO destroys Star Trek on a artistic and intellectual level.