Philosophy : Poll: Can objects exist without their properties?

Can objects exist without their properties?

For example, imagine a strawberry without its color, texture, or shape. Does the strawberry exist?

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

You’re defining the constituent pieces of a head by our perception of their properties. Are objects the sum of our subjective perception of some sensory experience? If so, are schizophrenics actually mentally ill?

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Oh but Vlad Kan.

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

It’s like saying can you have a head without eyes, nose, mouth, a brain, a skull etc… No, because a brain plus mouth plus skull and so on, is the head itself.

You're literally retarded. You can have a head without eyes, a nose, mouth etc. Why don't you concentrate on getting your life sorted out and stay off the drugs and the internet for awhile.

Bring. More. Sheep.

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

Yes. I have the power of invisibility, yet I still exist. I think.

ITTY might reply soon about biting off your nose. If he bites off your nose, is it still your nose, even though it will be in his mouth?

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

That’s a separate issue, one of ownership.

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I think we have some strawberrism going on here. It's just built different. Ofc it's still a strawberry.

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You can drop things like color and taste but shape and other intrinsic properties is going too far.

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

Wrong.

So if I smash a strawberry it's no longer a strawberry? If I cut it in half? If it grows deformed?

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

There would still be shape in those cases.

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You are wrong. Just admit you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and exit this conversation.

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

When he said to imagine a strawberry without its color I assumed he meant a strawberry that lacked any color and not a strawberry with a different color. Likewise for a strawberry without its shape I assumed he meant a strawberry without any shape rather than a different shape. As far as I know he is asking about the old question of matter versus form. Whether or not there is a prime material without properties or form that underlies all matter and is somehow the essence of any object.

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

If it lacks color then it’s going to be black.

Bitch.

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

Properties ARE the object. If a strawberry doesn't have it's color, texture or shape, it's not a strawberry.

BUT . . . whatever it is, does it still TASTE like a strawberry? Is it edible?

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If you break the strawberry down to its tiniest constituent pieces, it is just a bunch of atoms (actually it’s probably some other smaller particle but I’ll leave it to the more scientifically inclined to correct me). Those atoms lose the properties of the strawberry.

So a strawberry is a collection of the aforementioned properties, making it more an idea existing in the minds of humans than a real thing. What are ideas? Do they exist and is my idea of a strawberry the same as yours?

Is there any way to say, objectively, that the strawberry exists?

Fuck!

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

If we eat it, does it not cry?



Yeah, too existential for me this early in the morning. I realize it's almost noon, but I had a difficult night, am thinking of having another cup of tea, and will be going out tonight to dinner which will entail many adult beverages.

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

isnt this more about comprehending an object? if no humans exist and the required chemical/biological combinations exist for a strawberry and there is an object that humans call a strawberry, it exists. right? the name 'strawberry' requires someone to create the name but the raw material and ultimate outcome is independent of that someone.

let's apply this to the embryo. does an embryo entail all human characteristics? does an embryo have all the properties of a human? if not, then it doesnt exist as a human so fire up the abortion mill and keep america's birthrate low again. If the embryo does own those properties then it counts as a human.

you say tomatoe i say tomato. let's call the whole philo conundrum off and allow the LIBERAL BABY MURDERERS THE CHANCE TO FEAST ON FRIED FETUS STIX WITH SIDE ORDER OF STRAWBERRY DIPPING SAUCE.

vote republican, vote sanctity of unborn life, vote MMC2 for city council, and vote repeatedly.

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

Yes.

Don was both President and leader of the free world, without being presidential or a leader.

QED.

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

McShitter's shit is the property of his ass. If he shits his pants, is his ass still an ass? Pretty sure it is.

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

If I blow a fart in a forest, does anyone else hear?

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Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

Yes, it still exists, provided the chemical properties still exist. I could blend it into a smoothie.

If you're asking if a strawberry still exists when nothing of it exists any longer, then…

Re: Can objects exist without their properties?

It can be green, liquefied and molded into the shape of a penis. But if it has strawberry DNA, it's a strawberry.

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