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"Breeder" and "the queer family unit"

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OPINION: Using the outdated term ‘breeder’ isn’t cool, it makes you a jerk

Hey straight people (and some queer folx), stop using the term “Breeder” because you think it makes you look like an ally or “woke.” Spoiler alert: it doesn’t.

A couple of weeks ago, a well intentioned but misguided straight person pointed out a group of fellow heterosexuals to me and scoffed about how obnoxious “the breeders” were being. It was said in a hushed, almost secretive tone, as if she was “in” on the lingo—as she were whispering the password to the queer secret clubhouse.

The term took me aback. It’d been awhile since I’d heard such early 2000’s exclusionary slang. Though she was trying to be an ally, the phrase came out foreign and harsh, even though it was delivered with a smirk. She felt cool. I felt confused.

Like so many words that originate in the queer community, “breeders” is a term straight people heard a decade after it was already outdated. Maybe they finally discovered Queer as Folk and the original seasons of Queer Eye or maybe they finally feel “woke” enough to use a word that 15 years ago they tried to claim was hate-speech, equivalent to “faggot” or “dyke.”

Setting aside the absurdity of that decades old claim, there is an incredibly ironic prejudice in straight people now using the word to describe their own community in a way to seem like an ally.

The implication behind the word breeder is that a person is, in fact, able to have children or a family. When a straight person, such as the one from a few weeks back, uses the term to describe other straight people, the implication is clear: only straight people (and cis ones at that) are able to have children and a family.

Let’s face it, queer people used the term jokingly for a long time as a sort of “us” vs. “them” distinction. At that time, gay people weren’t allowed to get married or adopt children, so it was an obvious, perhaps bitterly rooted, dig at the lives we weren’t legally allowed to live. But laws have changed, definitions of identity and queerness and family have changed, and it’s no longer some line in the sand to be a “breeder.”

When straight people use that word, they forget about all of the families, parents, and children who make up our community. They forget about the wide range of queerness and gender identity that make couples so much more diverse than just “man” and “woman.”

Queer parents exist y’all. Queer people can breed. We can adopt or have a surrogate. We have bodies that don’t conform to your normative view and relationships that aren’t binary. “Breeders” also erases and marginalizes bi-sexual people.

We can even come out later in life with a past and a family who may have looked like one of those hetero-appearing units that allies love to whisper “breeder” about.

The term is outdated. It doesn’t make you woke or in-the-know to toss it around. If anything, it shows just how little you know or care about the queer family unit.

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So a gay is now offended by a term that his team would use as a put down?

That is so gay!

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I wonder if this person used to use the word too, but now they have kids or want kids, so they find it offensive.

I hadn't heard of "moo" and "duh" before (in the definition below, from Urban Dictionary).

lol at the "Child Hatter" username; either it's a typo or this person makes hats for kids:

Breeder

1: slang term used by some childfree people for one who has a child and/or has many after that, refuses to discipline the child/ren, thinks the sun rises and sets for their child/ren, look down upon people who do not have children, and are in general very selfish and greedy when it comes to their whims and those of their child/ren, especially if they can use their parenthood status or their children as an excuse to get their way. A female breeder is commonly called a moo, and a male breeder a duh.

2: slang term used by people of homosexual persuasion to refer to heterosexual couples, who have a significantly higher risk of contributing to the population increase than the homosexuals do.

"Can you believe the nerve of those breeders? They come in to a nice restaurant and proceed to sit by and watch while their progeny shriek and run all over the place, and then let the children make a huge mess and do not even tip the waitstaff. Disgusting…"

by Child Hatter May 13, 2003

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Urban Dictionary rocks!

OK I just looked it up and I see that is the top definition for "breeder."

Looking up "Moo" on UD is only about cows and not female humans.

"Duh" is for when you make that sound with sarcasm.

Number one for hatter, which I don't quite get…

hatter
noun: west coast beach slang. someone who poses as a surfer, but would never risk a rag-doll.
mike: hey Alvin, why did you bolt that surfboard to the roof of your car?

Alvin: oh, the last one got stolen one night last month. hatter

Number two:
hatter
1. A person who wears a hat
2. Misspelling of "hater".
Bob: I have a hat so i'm a hatter
Joe: kk


Others:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatter

So who knows what that name means.

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I guess the surfing one means they adopt the surfer lifestyle/language, but they don't actually surf.

Rag dolled: When underwater, the power of the wave can shake the surfer around as if they were a rag doll

I know they meant "Child Hater," but it's funny to imagine the person actually being someone who makes hats for kids, and they're so proud of their career that they created that username.

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Right.

Making hats for kids of…. breeders!
LOL

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Exactly!

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Well I’m not a breeder I don’t identify as queer but I am lgbt now I guess ??? I don’t know I’m confused leave me alone !

Why are you so obsessed with me?

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Utter bullshit.

When I use the term "breeder" I use it as satire. I am not condemning anyone. Some of the people I love the most are "breeders".

And do you want to know why I say "breeder"?

Because I've been told all my life that somehow my sexuality is inferior because it is not reproductive. Please, even now heterosexuals will preach with a sense of superiority that if every one was gay the species would die out. The implication is that my sexuality somehow leads to extinction and death.

You fools may hope and pray that we queers have stopped using the term. But you are dead wrong.

Queer people can breed.

Of course we can. Duh. But we can only breed in a heterosexual relationship.

Is someone suggesting I should "breed" with a woman and then leave her to be with my man so she has to raise the child alone? NO! If you're bisexual and you're gonna breed, you stay in the heterosexual relationship and help raise the child. That's not homosexual. It's not even bisexual unless you're cheating on your wife.

We can adopt or have a surrogate.
And gay couples who adopt a child and deprive that child of either a father or a mother are the lowest scum on earth.

That goes even double for gay couples who use surrogates and plan and manipulate even before conception that the child will never have a mother, or never have a father.

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The "breeder" phrase just seems overused here. At least mix it up a little more (with words like "straight," "hetero," etc.).

I don't think reproducing makes anyone superior. (I know you weren't referring to me, but I'm sharing my viewpoint.) I don't know why it bothers some people so much to imagine the species dying out anyway.

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Well, I don't want the species to die out. I'm optimistic and look forward to a great future for humanity.

But the point is, heterosexuals have a hundred slur words for gay people. So we have one word, "breeder", which they now insist we can't say anymore. I could probably look through this board and I find the word "faggot" a hundred times. I don't see straight people trying to cleanse the English language of slurs against queer people.

Quite frankly the author of that piece is like an Uncle Tom to us queer people.

We'll get rid of the word "breeder" after straight people get rid of the 100 different slur words they use against us.

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If you take the word literally, I'm not sure it works that well as an anti-straight slur, because many straight people aren't going to "breed." So it basically translates as, "Person who has a higher likelihood of reproducing than I do." The only people that might offend (if that's the goal) are people who want to have kids but can't, and maybe couples who have miscarried in the past. I don't know why it would offend anyone else.

Maybe people who don't want kids are supposed to find it offensive because others are assuming they want kids, so they might feel stereotyped? Or are people with kids supposed to be offended because because they might feel like gay people are implying they're only here to "breed"? I don't know who the target of the slur is, since I don't find it offensive. It's the repetitiveness of it that I find annoying.

If you can come up with more slurs, you ("you" as in people who keep using the word) won't need to rely on that one word so often. I've posted before about other overused phrases and gifs, so this isn't specific to your special word. (There was a thread here today where the word was used about 100 times, so that's why I'm talking about this specific word in this thread. It doesn't mean I'm ok with homophobic slurs.)

I guess some people might be offended by the word itself and not just the repetitiveness. It reminds me of George Jefferson using the word "honkey." I always found that funny, not offensive.

I wasn't saying in the last post that I want all human beings to die. I just don't believe humans will be around for thousands of years like some people do. Some people want to believe humans will be here forever, and it's as if it scares them to imagine a world without humans.

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I'm really not trying to offend anyone. I'm trying to make people think.

Like I said, the big argument when fools condemn homosexuality and then when they are challenged, is that our sex is non-reproductive. It's as if that makes it inferior in the mind of a heterosexist.

So what it boils down to is the fact that they believe heterosexuality is superior because it leads to reproduction. And lets be honest. You say not all straight couples have children. But I have checked the stats. About 95% of long term heterosexual couples do indeed have biological children together.

My point is that if you want to believe you're superior because you are heterosexual, you are merely a breeder.

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Tbh Gameboy is a broken brained, babbling blockhead who just repeats idiotic, meaningless words over and over. Ignore it.

Azn: “He (Orsen) now pretends to be in his 50s, but is in his 70s or close to 80 yo.”

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When I use the term "breeder" I use it as satire.
I use it as sarcasm, for pretty much most of the reasons you have stated.

The "Breeder" has pummeled and bullied the superior homo into the ground throughout history in a desperate need to keep themselves deluded about a superior and "normal" state of being within themselves.

The breeder has also been darn ignorant and dangerous too regarding their manipulation of society. They pretty much still are. Moreso than a small minority of fags adopting kids.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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A couple of weeks ago, a well intentioned but misguided straight person pointed out a group of fellow heterosexuals to me and scoffed about how obnoxious “the breeders” were being. It was said in a hushed, almost secretive tone, as if she was “in” on the lingo—as she were whispering the password to the queer secret clubhouse.


I agree completely. Breeders are obnoxious. Their entire fucking existence revolves around finding a mate and having children, owning the 2 vehicles a house and ar least one pet. They even show off their family in the most annoying ways. I'm quite sick of them parading around their sexuality as though it makes them superior to all alternatives.

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This is a monumental deflection of the highest sorts.

Is this satire?

It's queer people who use the term breeder to describe straight people. And straight people generally think that word is offensive and heterophobic.

This article is pretending that straight people use the term and queer people find it offensive?

Monster, how should I feel? Creatures lie here, looking through the window.

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Thank you, PE. Sometimes you're very insightful when you're not being a douche.

It's some gay guy who wants to get married and adopt children so he'll kiss all the heterosexual ass he can to conform.

Actually what I've found online all these years is that gay people are our own worst enemies.

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Bullshit.

It just means you understand that if god made you a homosexual, it's not your job to get married and adopt a bunch of brats.

The term is still useful and we still use it. I guess "woke" fools don't like it but they'll all be something else 5 years from now anyway.

Heterosexuality is reproductive by its nature and homosexuality is not. Accept reality and enjoy what god or nature gave you.

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I forgot. Only you and those who agree with you are entitled to express an opinion.

But even if you're one of those fools like Mary Cheney who stole a child from its father, you're still not a breeder.

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No, that's not true at all. You said if I didn't want to get married I can't express an opinion.

Sorry, I see gay marriage as an abomination. We're allowed to say that even if our Orwellian state has brainwashed people.

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You are such a child.

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You're here. But you're not queer. Butt out.

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My butt is certainly not out.

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When I express my opposition to gay marriage you say things like this:

It doesn't affect you.

You/they will always have a choice. If someone asks you to get married, you always have free will and can say "no."

[Gay marriage] doesn't affect your life at all.

Don't want to do it, don't do it. Why are you still harping on about this?


In essence you and the conformist gang try to stop the opposition from speaking.

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No, I have a right to oppose my government creating a new institution and giving rewards to couples to encourage monogamy, and punishment to those who are not monogamous.

The government has a say in heterosexual marriage because over 90% of the time children are involved. That is not the case in homosexual relationships.

Lilith, I showed you exactly what you said.

Your argument seems to be that if I don't want to get married to a man, then I have no right to oppose same-sex marriage.

That's bullshit.

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Again, my argument has nothing to do with whether or not I want to get married. Hell, if I can save a few thousands bucks every year I might get married. I'm as cynical as the next guy. That's not the point.

I'm not even promiscuous anymore. I'm getting older and I haven't had sex outside my primary relationship since this whole covid plague began a year and a half ago.

I gave strong reasons why the government has no business creating a new social institution called homosexual marriage.

And you haven't addressed or refuted one of them because you're hung up on my right to oppose gay marriage merely because I myself do not want to get married.

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Same-sex marriage is satire or more accurately parody of what marriage for breeder couples represents.

ANYONE who doesn't intend to drop sprogs, needn't get married either. Its a failed institution regardless.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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It's annoying. I also think using the term, especially if you're gay, comes across as if you're insecure in your queer identity (or homosexual identity, whatever word works best).
Lil, its the heterosexist "breeder" that has been doing all the projecting regarding the homo and making them feel insecure about their sexuality.

Can you not see this in the gynocentric, heterocentric drenched society we live in?

Admittedly, the breeder is the majority, yet they are also the ones who give birth to the human race and then f<>k it up without taking full ownership. They then condescend and even condemn homosexuality because it doesn't fit into their construct of what society is supposed to represent and what the herd are supposed to do in adult life.

The "breeder" f<>king created the superior homo and then attempt to sweep them under the rug, or treat homosexuality as a second class entity.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Lil, marriage is NOT the measure for equality. There are many homo's that couldn't give a rats about it and there are also many breeders that couldn't care for marriage either.

Equality is also not an absolute, nor can it ever be measured or achieved with precision. There are too many vicissitudes in life and individual circumstances to make this possible.

The rest of this equality bullcrap it is just made up legal and contractual bureaucracy.

Men and Women have always had certain attributes associated with their gender and much of it to do with biology and physiology. These "differences" can't be helped, nor can they change and WILL tarnish the notion of equality.

Intellect between genders no, yet transference of this intellect will also be affected by ones body package and perception of life/living. This will create rifts in the notion of idealized equality too.

Sexuality works as an underling and its about condemnation and ignorance above all else regarding what has been set as standard societal normal and what is seen as deviant.

The "breeder" has much to be contrite for regarding just plain, simple and natural homosexuality as an authentic sexuality.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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What she doesn't get is that equality does not equal sameness.

We can be different, even have different social institutions and different ways of living, but that doesn't mean anyone is being deprived of anything.

I don't want to raid the straight man's wedding. And I don't want him inflicting his reproductive lifestyle on me.

Homosexual marriage is as incongruous as a heterosexual stag party.

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What she doesn't get is that equality does not equal sameness.

I've come to the conclusion, that as intelligent as Lil can be, she doesn't deal in fine tuned perspective, or is capable of delving into layers that well.

Its placing too much trust in what an external body propagates, like government agencies, as though their narrative is the voice of reason and to be adhered too and not questioned.

Brainwashed and distorted conditioning.

On a walk earlier, I passed an ugly douch breeder with a mass of ugly blonde dreadlocks, his mail order Asian bride and 2 young children under 5 on their bikes. The boy was teary and whining about how hard something was to do. His douchy father snapped at him to stop flapping his gums and just go.

I feel for these kids. No parental idea how to deal or coax with them and the mother looked frickin' useless. These are the superior sexuality beings!!!

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Personally, there's no way that I would support the State having that much control over our bodies and our families.

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i agree to an extent. the state and its authorities too often look away when a child is in danger, potentially or really, of getting abused and exploited in their own homes for years bc no one wants to see an abused child.

this is why the recent horrible child abuse cases in Münster, Bergisch-Gladbach etc in Germany came to light after years of children of all ages getting raped brutally and sold to pedophiles all over the country behind closed doors.

u can google those cases, they were huge here, but i must warn u, reading about the ordeals and torture being done to these children by their own parents will crush ur soul. even the judges and investigators have never seen anything like that before when investigating pornographic videos and pictures of that pedophile ring - the sheer brutality being done to children by their own parents. and the authorities looked away for years. it's a disgrace and i'm still shaking up right now writing about this.

suck it.

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I agree regarding pro-creation and most breeders are SO dense, they don't even know why they are doing it, except that they can and that is just not a good enough reason.

I feel one should have an IQ of at least over 110 and be fiscally secure before dropping sprogs. They need also pass empathy tests designed to see if they aren't sociopaths and narcissists and are in the zone of nurturing and being responsible for a life.

While it may also be imposing on basic human rights, its also destroying them as well, as common decency and moral grounding are getting dismissed and making a mockery out of what is considered appropriate behavior towards children and not only creating suffering and chaos for themselves, but their children and others in society.

I am impartial to who does or doesn't get married, yet as an overall institute I think marriage now needs to be redefined. I don't care to be legally and contractually bound to another person. It seems preposterous to me and it only exists now to suit the establishment structure and keep the status quo and tradition.

Why couples wish for marriage, is a romanticized delusion to my mind and it is only really accessing a right to bulls<>t. Most legalities are.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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You are missing the point regarding the institute of marriage, its definition, what it is supposed to represent, how its been pushed onto the homo to appear as normalized and that overall it is largely a FAILED institute.

You've even admitted as such yourself, as that is why many may not choose it. It also doesn't make a darn bit of difference to those couples that do breed and stay together with and for their children. Marriage or not, a relationship is either going to work out, or not.

What I expressed was siding and expanding on your points made in your last post, but in typical Lil passive aggressive fashion, you appear defensive and evasive

I have already said I am impartial to marriage and far be it from me to tell others what they should do, but this is only the icing on the cake to what comes after the delusion has been shattered.

Marriage has been far too romanticized and even conditioned by the breeder as a societal requirement. It deserves be demonized. The breeder does too.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?
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