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Anti-American Propaganda?

Note the use of both a hammer/sickle and Swastika. The artist that created this image is from the Pacific Northwest, an area that is known as one of the most politically liberal parts of North America, and consistently reports the highest percentage of atheism.

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I have been informed the artist responsible for this is Antonio F. Branco.

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I wouldn't call it anti-American propaganda because all it's doing is describing what's happening not promoting it.

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Describing what's happening? Care to elaborate?

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I don't understand what you are trying to say.

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He's saying it's not clearly anti-American, it just shows a battle between America on one side and Communists and Nazis on the other.

I'm not so sure where fascism and Communism have joined forces either.

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Muchos gracias amigo. 🌮

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¡No hay problema! And there's no reason to believe the eagle hasn't saved the flag.

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Thanks to you both for the clarification.
fascism and Communism have joined forces -that, and the 'tug-of-war' with the flag the eagle seems to be losing. That sentiment seems rather un-American to me

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To me it's merely emphasizing the battle. Also the eagle is winged and on top, while the gnarled arms of despotism struggle from below.

But how has fascism joined with communism? I'd say fascism in our world today is either global corporatism or religious fundamentalism. Communism is half dead in Russia. Only China can be said to represent communism anymore. The Workers International has been suppressed.

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The artist, Antonio Branco, failed in his attempt at a good versus evil portrait. I do not see the image as triumphant, it is nothing more than a jumbled mess of tropes / cliches. An eagle defecating on the "Nazi Hammer" would have had made more sense, than the silly flag tug-of-war.

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I'm not so sure where fascism and Communism have joined forces either.
Its representation of the extremity of either side. Fascism/Totalitarianism, what is the diff really? Its all about control of the masses.

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It's a bit simplistic though. It's America against the forces of evil. Which again, is not anti-American. The U.S. has also supported plenty of fascist dictatorships.

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It's America against the forces of evil.
You would have to define evil and how this is any different to the image the US paints of itself and its own thirst for power and control.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Toaster, I didn't create it. I'm just telling you what it represents.

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How does it represent though what you are saying it does?

Anything can represent whatever anyone says it does, or what they want it to represent, especially when it comes to idealistic and abstract terms and not to mention selective reasoning.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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I have a fucking brain and fucking eyes.

What do you think it represents? Is it anti-American propaganda? Duh, that's what we're talking about here.

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My query was with your fascism and communism statement and your claim since when have they joined forces.

I was questioning are they any different, not what you think the image as a whole represents.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Toasty, this is a pointless discussion.

Did you get my PM last night?

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So you don't know then.

That's all you had to say.

No!

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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I do know and I'll get back to it if you want to be hard headed and keep going around in circles.

I resent the PM. Did you get it?

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How is questioning a point being hard headed? That is just discussion and you are intelligent and I like to hear your opinions. You deflected from answering it, by skirting around it.

No!

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Yes, fascism and communism are very different.

Communism means the working class takes control of the economy and all wealth is shared equally. Everything is socialist.

Fascism means the government runs the economy. There is redistribution of wealth, no socialism on the private level.

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I don't believe the wealth is shared equally within Communism, because its leaders are still living in privilege and equality just can't and won't exist in this world.

Equality is also something that needs to be defined in absolutes. Mother nature isn't equal and is without prejudice, or if she does discriminate, its without thought.

Equality is a throw away term for faux incentive only and for one to become a good obedient little citizen.

Communism is just concept and not everyone is willing to be this equal thing either. In practice, it will never work and is ultimately about "controlling" the masses. When there are many, it just won't work.

Fascism is still similar in that its about control and coveting the wealth for those who manage to attain it. It is also about dictatorship, along with the lines of communism, whose form of dictatorship gets defined as totalitarianism.

There is ultimately no difference, other than it boils down to manipulative control again for dominance of the few.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Sure, communism has never really been implemented. I'm only going by what Marx wrote. Marxist theory is that wealth should be distributed equal. It's not dealing with nature.

Fascism just wants the government to control everything. It's not concerned about equal wealth. Fascism also has nationalism and race supremacy. Communism is globalist.

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Both sound flawed and dodgy to me.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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The best way to understand it is that communism is complete socialism from top to bottom.

Fascism as in Nazism (i.e. National Socialism) is only socialist at the level of the central government (National). It allows business to remain in private hands.

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I used to be a strong defender of socialism, but it just won't work and we see today how deranged the left are.

Fascism is about oppression too and contains no soul. Communism is too precious about feelings and social order, and thought control too.

Both extremities and offer no balance or respite from its tyrannies.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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I'm an anarcho-syndicalist by theory. But I'm a businessman in reality because I like money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

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I don't really go for buzz terms which tend to complicate and confuse things more than what they need to be.

Its intellectualizing and compartmentalizing something that doesn't really function that well, only to the believer. Its cultish!

I just want to see truth and fact and common sense be apart of the lives we are living. Not secrets and hidden agendas to claim superiority and power over the masses and placing stead in egoism and sense of self.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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PM me and I'll reply. Something is wonky.

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That's weird! I went though all my received messages and you have moderator privilege.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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There's some glitch obviously. Let me see what's going on.

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It's basically the good guys, represented by the Bald Eagle, taking back America from Nazi Pinko turds like Monopole who hide in their dorm rooms talking mad shit.

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What does atheism have to do with anything? Not believing in ancient bullshit fairytales has nothing to do with being Anti-American. It's crap like that that makes me want to stay away from your dumbass Christianity.

Just because I'm not on THEIR side, doesn't mean I'm on YOURS.

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What is anti-American about it? It shows the symbol of America in a fight with communism. That is pro-America.

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I think it's just art.

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Sorry one small f bomb at the end if you're at work.🤓
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I get it. Thanks for that. The artist is showing the eagle seizing the American flag (I assume representing 'America') from the grip of communism, which he also depicts as Nazism. That's what I get out of it. So you are saying that is the current struggle.

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Oh my god. OK. Corwin, Lola… OK. Ya-yer both askin' me what do I mean by what I said. Annnd it is kind of a, a complicated, you know, uh, question. First of all let's establish this: art is subjective. OK? Meaning it depends on, it's in, it's in the eye of the beholder. So someone may see that as, "Oh, that's," I saw another poster sayin' "Oh that's, that's America fighting to save its country from socialism and communism. Yeah, it's subjective. And then someone else could see somethin' else. So it depends on the artist and whar-where he's comin' from. Um, now I'm pro-American. Uh, I'm pro-American. But I coulda painted that painting, well I can't do that, but if I did paint that painting, uh, I could see it as a struggle, I'm showing what's happening to this country. I'm just-we're just hypothetically talking. I'm showing what's happening to this country. Umm, so just, I'm just in real time like, "Hey, this is… this is the struggle that's going on right now." That's, you know, as a pro-American I could have done this painting.

However, um, propaganda would be something that's promoting that. So, you know, you have anti, you know, in World War 2 you had anti-propaganda from all sides. That's promoting, you know, oh, all Chinese are ugly little funky-funny little monkeys, and that's propaganda. Well not Chinese, Japanese. Um, ya see where I'm coming from? So it's kind of like, its depends on how you look at it. I see it as it's just showing a struggle that's actually happening. It-but it's not necessarily promoting it. Now if the-the artist himself did that to promote, um, you know, um, the movement of socialism, OK, you could see it that way too. So, tra-truthfully you have to look at the artist. Get, uh, I hafta look at who the artist and where he's coming from. So art is subjective. You can look at it different ways. Sorry I had to do a Vocaroo. It's just too much to explain. I'm-I don't fuckin' feel like typin' on my keyboard on my phone. [laughs] Sorry. OK.

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