The Babadook : A very over rated film definitely NOT for dog lovers

A very over rated film definitely NOT for dog lovers

The movie had potential with the weird book idea, then went downhill steadily. Also, the scene with the cute dog being cruelly killed was unnecessary. Why is it whenever you see a dog in one of these films they end up dead? No people killed just the family dog. I wasted time on this over-rated piece of junk. Just goes to show you can't trust the IMBD ratings. The ending was totally ridiculous. Yes, I'm sure many of you will disagree...still that's the way I feel and I'm hoping to warn others who might feel the same.

Update: If you're not a dog lover simply move on to another topic. This is meant as a warning to those who are dog and animal lovers.

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Completely agree. Just watched it because i kept seeing it recommended. I wish i hadnt bothered. I found it a miserable waste of time. It dragged sooooo much and regarding the dog i got as far as when the actress grabbed the dog REALLY roughly....and i skipped it - couldnt bare to watch it.
It is, in my view, a vastly over rated film

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I'm a dog lover and I think the killing scene was absolutely necessary.

In the book, she sees herself killing the dog. On the VERY NEXT page, she kills her son.

Killing the dog was something she never expected to do, and it terrifies her because it makes her realise how out of control she had become. If she was able to kill the dog - as the book predicted - it suddenly becomes possible that she is able to kill her son.

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I still hate the dog scene even if it follows what was in the book. I would have hated the book also. I see your point about it showing what she was then capable of doing...I still reject the movie for the reasons stated.

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Since you've been so keen on knocking people down, insulting their intelligence, and being an overall ass hat, I felt compelled to point out that OP was stating in the fictional book, in the movie, she kills dog and then the son, not the physical book that this movie is based on.

Let me dumb that down for you....

In the movie, we see the mother looking through the Babadook book, and she sees a page where she sees herself killing the dog, and then she turns to the next page, where she sees herself killing her son. Fast forward to when she actually kills the dog, she realizes she's lost it and is probably about to kill her son.

Necessary scene.

[No dogs were harmed in the making of this post... or for that matter, in the making of the movie too]

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I'm entitled to my opinion and I stand behind it. And you're entitled to be an arrogant moron if you like, which you obviously are. Thank goodness for the blocking feature so I don't have to be bothered again by your senseless ramblings.

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Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to other people agreeing with it. In fact your responses to disagreement would make you to be the arrogant moron out of everyone here. Hiding from opinions you dislike by using a block is only making you look like a fool to everyone else.

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I also love dogs so I definitely hated that scene.However I think overall The Babadook is a decent movie.

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I love it when people watch a horror movie and then get pissed off when an animal gets killed. Yes, it's sad and horrifying. That is the POINT. It showed that the mother was flying increasingly off the rails, and killing the dog was significant because it showed that the son was absolutely not safe around her anymore.

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You love it when people get PO-ed, Benjen ? That says a lot right there. If you think killing the dog was significant it proves you ignored my warning which was 'definitely NOT for dog lovers'. Since you are obviously not one, it didn't apply or matter to you.

I'd also like to point out that the best of the classic horror films didn't rely on these cheap shots to get their scares across ....'Cat People' (1942) and so on. I doubt you will get my point. Welcome to my 'ignore' list.

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I don't know if this will earn me a place on that fabled list also Mikel, but I feel moved to point out that (i) it probably didn't occur to old Benjen there to consult you personally before watching the film (so he didn't "ignore your warning") and (ii) just because someone doesn't get overly upset about a fictional dog getting killed (it didn't really happen you know) does not really give you the right to imply they are a callous animal-hater or whatever it was that you were getting at in the previous post.

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You misunderstood what I said clearly in my original comments, Supid_F..., but I'm not surprised from a person that chooses to use "stupid" as part of their own user name. Yes, I'm sure you love the Simpsons, good for you. Others clearly understood what I was warning about. What that other character and you choose to ignore is that I said "not for dog lovers", it is not a movie for them. I stand behind that statement. And, yes, congrats you have earned a place on my ignore list, I don't care to read more nonsense from you in the future.

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I did not "ignore" your point, I addressed it directly, whereas you seem to have misunderstood my point which is that that the majority of people who watch this movie are not going to have read your "warning" before they do so and so have not "ignored" it but were simply unaware of it (and you've ignored my point that you can be a dog lover and still watch a film in which a fictional dog gets killed because it's not real - this isn't some kind of doggy snuff movie).

However I'm not going to stoop to your level and insult you over it, it must be tough enough already for you, what with having to ignore virtually everyone who interacts with you.

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Im a dog lover and I'm totally okay with that scene. You're simply looking for reasons, and aside from your "fake dog getting killed upsets me" argument, the points your standing behind are pretty weak.

Btw it's also a weak argument to attack somebody because of their name. It shows you don't know what you're talking about.

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Your post is totally senseless, and you're obviously not what you claim to be, a dog lover. If you like the film fine, no need to attack those that didn't like it and explained why. Many people here are warning others that the film stinks for various reasons...oh and welcome to my ignore list. This is proving to be a great post to weed out the weirdos like you so in the future I don't have to read there nonsense.

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Ha, another one on the ignore list, you weirdo pwnzer, what with your saying reasonable things and claiming to be a dog lover even though it is simply impossible that you are if you're not upset about a fake dog being killed.

Gotta love this Mikel guy, using the ignore button to brick himself in to a tower of solitude. I'm sure he'll be much happier when no one can say anything at all to him.

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I completely agree with flanders and the other user. The whole idea of a horror movie or any movie for that matter is to make you feel...Scared, sad, happy, lonely, whatever that feeling may be, if it doesn't make you feel on some level then it has failed. My ex wouldn't watch 8mm ever again because it disgusted her because of the content and subject, which is fine but I don't agree in this instance that if you are a dog lover and a dog is killed in a movie that you will definitely not like said movie..

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You know what I find strange? Human beings that hate cruelty to animals, but spend their lives being cruel to animals (Human beings are animals too) online. Also this is a horror movie. What did they expect? Sunshine and rainbows in every frame?

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ignore....i suggest you gett some help

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Yes, anyone you don't agree with must need help. It's the only explanation, skinyard. Welcome to my ignore list. :D

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*SPOILERS*

I'd also like to point out that the best of the classic horror films didn't rely on these cheap shots to get their scares across

But one way Cat People got its scares across was through the killing of sheep at the hands/paws of the cat woman Irena. And in the end Irena in panther form awaits being killed in a cage at the zoo.

The fictional killing of animals for scares isn't new, even in excellent, classic films. For example, in 1957's Cape Fear Robert Mitchum uses strychnine to kill a dog as an act of terror. In the excellent 1942 noir This Gun For Hire, the cat-loving/people-hating contract killer (Alan Ladd's breakout performance) is forced to strangle a cat to keep it quiet when he's hiding from the police manhunt. That killing was far more shocking than any done to his human victims, and made his situation seem tragic.

As for this film, exploiting audience familiarity with convention isn't necessarily a cheap shot. The movie deliberately invokes and exploits several horror tropes, building suspense. In this case capitalizing on the fact that horror fans will anticipate danger to innocents, namely child and dog.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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You make some interesting and intelligent points, Whatlarks. Still, in any movie the death of a beloved pet ruins it for me personally. I'm not asking others to feel the same way I do. I'm warning others who already do feel that way so they can avoid this film. Also, I simply think the film is poorly made as a whole, the ending was particularly silly.

And there are many well made old horror films that don't use the death of animals to add to the scares. Those that did make reference to killed animals, like the one's you pointed out, did not usually show those deaths in the same "in your face" manner films like this do. The same can be said of human deaths in many current horror films, in the classic older ones, a person killed or screaming in the distance was horror enough usually, now we have to see them die in close detail complete with all the gore and blood involved. I guess that's a subject for a different discussion.

I feel killing pets, who are loved family members in the film, is a cheap overly used way to get the scares from modern audiences. Yes, it may have been done in the past at times, those were the standout exceptions not the rule. Now it seems it's required anytime a pet is introduced in a horror film we know they're doomed. Just like we know when a woman is taking a shower she's probably going to go out like Janet Leigh. Once or twice it was shocking, now it's an over used cheap device.

Thank you again for an intelligent reply even if I do disagree.

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I respect your experience of a film being ruined for that reason, and I think your warning is valuable to those who share that sensitivity. I draw my own kind of lines in the sand. Different ones, but probably no less stringent.

I go by a case-by-case basis. Many films don't use X quality to create Y effect, but that doesn't mean using X is necessarily wrong (cheap) for the films that do. And we can't discount the influence of our general sensitivity to X on our estimation of its value to a film. It can be challenging to distinguish personal distaste of X in general, from truly poor use of the quality in specific cases.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I'm with you, Mikel3. I know that it isn't real, but I get angry when people are cruel to animals or kids for that matter, just to get a point across of how 'out of control' they have become. Regardless behind the reasoning, I never find it necessary to show things like that. However, I thought the movie was good otherwise. I liked the fact that it wasn't your typical jump scare or cheap thrill movie. They didn't add gore just to try and shock the audience. Those things are very cliche. People usually expect all the forementioned things to happen in a typical horror movie, and that's justifiable. But, this movie wasn't the typical horror flick. The Babadook is the symbolization of the mother's grief and anger at her husband's passing, and dealing with the stress of being a single mom and on top of that, trying to deal with her son's separate issues from her own. It was very well acted, and well executed with telling a story. It was a well thought out movie, with great symbolism and imagery that clearly shows what 'demons' the mother was dealing with in her own mind. I think we all have a little of that Babadook in us; some people can just contain it better than others. I did enjoy the movie for the most part; it was very thought provoking. However, I probably won't watch it again; the violent death of the dog is a deal breaker for me. No one has to agree with me, that's just how I feel.

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Thank you, mmsexybetty, for an intelligent well written expression of your opinion on the story. I didn't care for the film myself, but I respect your opinion which you presented well and fairly.

I'm glad others feel the same about the exceptionally cruel dog killing scene. I received a lot of flack and insults just for warning others who were like minded about pets being killed in films. The abuse of children is of course also very disturbing.

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I'm an older adult who has watched numerous horror films over my life. I didn't get the same thing out of the movie even though I have watched it several times. Not even remotely. I wonder if any of you realize that The Babadook won the same as Best Motion picture at the Oscars? This movie is lauded for excellence. You don't get that for being subpar. I think most are over thinking the movie.

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Hi, Trepessa.

Yes, it has won awards and been nominated for many too...I would hardly compare any of them to winning an Oscar for best picture however as far as prestige. You made that comparison. Heck to take it a step further, even Oscars can be won by films I don't think are great movies personally. We all have our own opinions on what is good or bad in film making. If you like the movie you're certainly entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. My warning to animal lovers like me and those who don't like seeing children abused, still stands. It's not a matter of "over thinking the movie" it's a matter of the scenes in question that are simply there on the screen no reading into them needed. Those who don't feel the same as me can simply ignore my warning. I have been a fan of horror films myself since the early 1960s and I know what I like. I don't like this movie.

Thank you for sharing your opinion without making insults as others have. Have a great day.

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@Benjen_Stark.

it showed that the son was absolutely not safe around her anymore.
When she killed the dog it didn't make me feel the kid was in anymore danger than he was prior to that.I had a feeling the people behind the movie wouldn't do the unexpected in regards to her killing her own son.For some reason even most rated R movies seem to ALMOST ALWAYS(there's a FEW exceptions)keep a invisible shield around children that protects them from being killed off.IN MY OPINION it's time to change it up because as soon as I see a dog or cat in a particular genre, I always figure they are only there to be killed off and I'm usually 99% correct.I still think it was a decent movie though.

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C'mon, you gotta at least give the dog some credit... he lasted longer than dogs usually do in movies like these.

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Yeah, when you see a pet dog or cat in a horror film you pretty much know they're doomed, it's been overdone time and time again.

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This is a movie where a woman screams at her child "Why can't you just be NORMAL?", tells him to "go eat s***" and threatens to slam his head against a brick wall "until it pops" ...but the only part that disturbed you is a doggy death scene. Oooookay....

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Yes, that was EXACTLY what I said that it was "the only part that disturbed' me. You're amazing at reading what I never wrote. If it makes you feel better, the whole film was a waste of time.

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Yeah, as much as I loved this movie, I was more than a little concerned for that small dog's life after seeing his fate foreshadowed in "the book".



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I'm a dog lover and this is one of my favorite horror movies of all time!

To each his own eh?

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Yes, to each his own. You're entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine.

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Another dog lover here, and I too appreciated the movie very much.

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True dog lovers will agree.

Not really. You're confusing levels of sensitivity to fictional representations for levels of affection for real-world dogs. There isn't necessarily a correlation between the two. Your love for dogs is not more "true" because you can't tolerate experiencing their fictional deaths, and others' love for dogs isn't less "true" because they can.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I'm not offended. Perhaps your judgment goes to that extreme because it's influenced by your wish that this should be so. Everyone wants their own way of being to be the right and true way - and it's very tempting to presume that others love is not as pure as our own, which we suppose is ideal.

I grew up with a menagerie of animals, insects, birds, reptiles, cats, rabbits, and many, many dogs. I own dogs, and I love them dearly. I do not accept that my love for my dogs is somehow less than yours because I can tolerate the fictional death of a dog in a horror movie while you can't.

Something similar happens when people talk about people's different reactions to major emotional events. For example, a family gathers to decide whether to let a parent die, or whether to instruct the doctors to do everything possible to keep them alive. It's not unusual in such circumstances for the accusation to be made that one who votes to let the parent die doesn't love them as much as those who vote to keep them alive as long as possible. Of course that judgment isn't necessarily accurate.


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Going by the tone of your post and abrupt goodbye it seems that you are actually the offended one.

It's a very glass half-empty response, your assumption I'm offended because I chose to continue discussing. I was actually hoping to continue connecting and sharing thoughts from the standpoint of mutual respect. I thought that was possible. Oh well. Have a nice night too.


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your points are total fallacies. so 'no one who loves dogs can stand to see them get hurt' in a fictional film? really? so by that logic, anyone who loves OTHER human beings cannot manage to watch slasher films because in turn that would mean they don't truly love humans?

what a joke. You probably are a troll but if you're not god help your mind and illogical thought process

she fell through a hole, and was never seen again

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Please respect people who have differences of opinion than you do.

Practice what you preach. You're completely intolerant of different opinions, to the point of hysteria.

I don't think you actually see animals as animals, but anthropomorphize them, projecting the cute bits of children onto them, making them into pure-hearted "childimals."

The hypersensitivity, paranoia and intolerance -- there's something more going on than simply love of animals. The extreme nature of your responses betrays it's more about protecting awareness of something painful in you that is threatened when people disagree.

What that is, only you can know, but you don't know it because you're busy keeping it repressed. You're in Babadook territory.


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"I don't have time for their silliness."
LOL...

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