Munich : Why so much evil in this world is done by Muslims?

Just wondering - why? Committing terrorist acts globally (it is a fact that a great majority of the terrorists in this world are Muslims), stoning women for infidelity, hanging people for their sexual preference, beheading foreign journalists, etc..and all this is being done under the umbrella of Islam. Is it a cultural thing that violence should be the solution to any problem?

The Holocaust, WW1, WW2, the Spanish inquisitionChristian Countries have committed as much evil as the Muslims. It is not the religion that is to blame, it is the leaders who use religion to trick and bully people.


history is a battle fought by a great evil,struggling to crush a small kernel of human kindness

Sorry, but you are not answering my question. Holocause, Spanish Inquisition, etc (which, btw, happened in the past) are separate subjects which can be discussed separately. I am talking about MUSLIMS TODAY. I am not blaming anyone but trying to get an answer to certain phenomenon (which, for the purposes of this discussion can be referred to as 'Muslim violence) the existence of which is undeniable.

It is called political Islam. It's the theocratic state of government that rules with an iron fist, forcing its people to kill and hate.or risk getting killed themselves. Like a festering poison, it uses the "we love you, but the evil America/Israel/western countries hate you" to spread their hateful vitriol. It's exactly like nazism.

This insane psychology has led to horrific jihadist-caused events like 9/11, the multiple rockets in Israel, murderous dialogue from leaders like Ahmadinejad, multiple suicide bombings all over Europe and the Middle East, and the Munich murders.

The bad thing is that there ARE good Muslims who don't believe in this, and are affliliated with this awful stigma. If they speak out against it, they will be ignored or killed.

Sorry Emma, but the Holocaust, WW1 and WW2 weren't fought in the name of Christianity.

Muslim extremists kill in the name of Islam.

They kill in the name of what they think is Islam. Just like Americans and Brits bomb men, women and children in what they think is the name of freedom. I find it interesting how we Westerners find it so easy to condemn other people, but never try to understand them or condemn our own.


history is a battle fought by a great evil,struggling to crush a small kernel of human kindness

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Sorry Emma, but the Holocaust, WW1 and WW2 weren't fought in the name of Christianity.

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First of all, irrelevant. Second of all, yes they were. To the exact same extent that Muslims kill in the name of Allah. The motivation is political, but naturally they draw moral courage from whatever religion they follow. In WWII, Axis and Allies alike thought they had God on their side, and invoked the name of God in their deeds. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" how is that different from "Allahu akhbar"? Christian field priests blessing munitions and artillery pieces how is that different from "Insh'Allah"?

J. C. Squire wrote a famous poem during WWI, which was banned for its contents:

God hear the embattled nations sing and shout:
"Gott strafe England!" "God save the king!"
"God" this, "God" that and "God" the other thing.
"My God," said God. "I've got my work cut out."

"Gott strafe England", by the way, was a popular German slogan during WWI. "God punish England" still not in the name of Christianity? Of course it's not a religious conflict, but neither is any we see today, involving Muslims.

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In WWII, Axis and Allies alike thought they had God on their side, and invoked the name of God in their deeds. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" how is that different from "Allahu akhbar"?

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It's alot different. To even compare them show's you have no idea what you're talking about, let alone History and current events.
You then go on to cite a poem to try and draw a comparision between Western Christian civilization and modern day Islam.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are simply trying to make excuses for the actions of barbarians.

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Western Christian civilization

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includes the Inquisition, and if we want to get recent, anti-abortion, murdering doctors, hostility towards gays and same sex marriage.

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modern day Islam

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is peace loving and hostility towards nuclear weapons.

There have always been extremists doing things in the name of their religion. It just happens that some Muslim nations have been attacked in the last century which breeds disillusion and disaffection for the pathetic avenues people have been permitted to redress wrongs.

Blaming a whole religion for what extremists do, and minimising the history of extremists in the past (often recent past) using other religions for their rationale perpetuates the hatred and marginalising that feeds extremists.




In his cloak of words strode the ringmaster

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Thanks for sharing your opinion.

I don't fully agree with it though, because it doesn't matter what reasons one names for this or that action but the action itself and people behind it. That is to say, 9/11 attacks were organized and executed by Islamic fundamentalists. This is what matters for the purposes of this conversation.

I am not saying that what the US president has done is right. I am not justifying his actions. Nevertheless, the purpose of his actions was not to kill innocent people (although many innocent people might have died, and I'm sure that many innocent people did die). On the other hand, the purpose of Islamic fundamentalists was to kill as many innocent people as possible. Not so?

I think, we are getting a little far from the subject of the conversation, which is - the reasons why so many bad things are done by Muslims. On the of the posters suggested that the reasons can be found in Islam itself. I partly agree with this opinion because Koran explicitly justifies killing and deception of non-muslims. I am not saying that Koran is a bad book but I am stating facts - many passages in Koran talk about this.

Romney is a Christian fundamentalist who has no idea about how to deal with the Muslim world.
And its not just the USA that is to blame for start of terrorist organizations, its the imperial powers, with Britain and France in the lead, Spain second, Portugal third, that has brought about the problems of today.

The American government is as corrupt, brutal and cynical as any other so it's no wonder that they pretend that there is a fundamental difference between them and the controllers of other states. The disappointment comes from seeing how many Americanas and others pretend to go along with it for reasons of opportunism and cowardice. Land of the free, home of the brave?

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

Its because the foreign policy of the US coincides with the Israeli's.
The US will always support Israel, no matter what reason we give to define it.
The US will always remember palestinians for the terror they've created and the stigma of terror=Palestina will remain a long time in the US mentality.

Because the target of the political Islam is subjecting all countries and peoples to their faith and putting to the sword all that refuse. That's how they see the Islam - not as religion but as political agenda.
Once you see the terrorist acts for what they really are - no more than sabotage operations in an ongoing military conflict, all falls into place and makes a more reasonable picture.

'Just wondering - why? Committing terrorist acts globally (it is a fact that a great majority of the terrorists in this world are Muslims), stoning women for infidelity, hanging people for their sexual preference, beheading foreign journalists, etc..and all this is being done under the umbrella of Islam. Is it a cultural thing that violence should be the solution to any problem?'

Good question, maybe you should enrol on a course in college rather than ask the question on the internet, specifically the Munich thread of IMDB.

However as you seem to be genuinely interested in world affairs, may I ask you these questions: Why was it that Christians killed 6 millions Jews between 1939-1945? and why Christians were committing genocide against Muslims in Yugoslavia in the 1990s? Is it a cultural thing that violence should be a solution to any problem?


Its that man again!!

I graduated from college and university long time ago but thanks for your recommendation.

I will try to answer your questions:

1. 6 million Jews were killed by Nazis, who happened to be Christians. Secondly, the killing were performed under Nazi ideology (rather than Christian ideology). The New Testament said nothing about killing Jews, while Koran justifies the killing/deception of non-Muslims on multiple occasions.

2. Yugoslavia is very bad example. It was a civil war involving many ethnic groups fighting each other. Serbs will tell you that the US was the one killing innocent people in there.

Muslim population has been hijacked by radical ideology. They have not advanced much in the last several centuries due to radical religion. In fact, it seems the Muslim world is becoming more and more radical. Very true in the Middle East especially. Egypt is now in control of the dangerous radical group called Muslim Brotherhood. Iran could have the bomb by next Summer. Syria is complete Chaos.

US needs to continue spending more and more RD in drone technology as this is the best solution to hunt them down and slow down their terrorist ways.
I hardly ever hear of any moderate Muslims. I know they exist but many cannot talk for fear of being arrested or killed.

Muslim world was once a great region of progress. Just read about the Moors a dozen of centuries ago.

Israel is the only democratic nation in the region and the only nation USA can trust. So naturally we will be great friends with them for eternity.
Plus Israel has is a great little hub for technology and other stuff.

Israelis share similar values to most Americans. Or at least the non-liberal ones.

To answer the OPs question amidst the false accusations of Israel and USA hurting so-called "poor Palestinians" and why radical Muslims commit the acts they do:

Radical Muslims ABSOLUTELY HATE western civilization. Nothing more, nothing less. They hate smart, beautiful women who don't submit like those in the Mideast. They hate USA and Israel's technological advancements, and they hate the fact that they are stuck CENTURIES in the past.

I get infuriated at the jihadist apologists for defending these despicable rats and their loathsome behavior. They deserve the hate. It's only backlash from the hate they breed.

This post reeks of love and tolerance. Come on, man. Read your words. Who's hating whom here?

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Radical Muslims ABSOLUTELY HATE western civilization. Nothing more, nothing less. They hate smart, beautiful women who don't submit like those in the Mideast. They hate USA and Israel's technological advancements, and they hate the fact that they are stuck CENTURIES in the past.

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That's funny, because that's exactly what Muslim radicals are saying, only the other way around. To them, it is the West that absolutely hates their way of living. You sound exactly like them.

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That's funny, because that's exactly what Muslim radicals are saying, only the other way around. To them, it is the West that absolutely hates their way of living. You sound exactly like them.

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Yes, that's why Westerners are flocking to those wonderfully vibrant, tolerant nations like Pakistan, Indonesia, Yemen, Egypt, etc. Ask Lara Logan how much she enjoyed covering the "Arab Spring".

Of course they say that - they need a victim narrative to justify their aggression and recruit more people. It is, of course, utter bullsht. The West don't hate Muslims, they welcome them into their countries and want to trade with Muslim-dominated countries. This is constantly upset by Islamists who insist on waging war with the West, mainly because they have a crushing inferiority complex - Islam is supposed to be ruling the world when actually it's getting increasingly left in the dust while everyone else lives in prosperity and peace.

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[That's funny, because that's exactly what Muslim radicals are saying, only the other way around. To them, it is the West that absolutely hates their way of living. You sound exactly like them.

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The difference being that our way of life is objectively superior in every way.
To claim otherwise is the worst kind of moral relativism there is.

Until they embrace our values they'll remain a source of trouble bacause we are certainly not going to adopt their way of life.

Also after 9/11 that news footage from Palestine supposedly showing some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was apparently taken 2 weeks earlier at a wedding celebration!

Did the journalist, news editor and the tv channel get reprimanded for showing such a misleading video?



Its that man again!!

You would need to fact-check that assertion before asking whether the journalist was reprimanded.

"I hardly ever hear of any moderate Muslims".

Thatd be because they dont make nearly as much noise as the radicals do. And theyre not particularly attractive subject for the Western media, either.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

This is an interesting discussion. But I really have to ask: how did you get to this subject from this film? It is actually rare to see a film that is this balanced and objective about such a complicated historical event. On the other hand, the Munich operation wasn't led by Islamic fundamentalists nor was Islam mentioned once during the course of events. Black September was a SECULAR organization secretly related to Fatah, another secular Palestinian movement that was the main part of the PLO. It was a political matter. And in the same context, the film must be saluted and applauded for approaching the separation between Israeli politics and the Jewish religion.

As to try to answer your question (which is something I don't think possible, because it doesn't seem to me that you want an actual answer but rather an agreement with the "fact" you state) Islam is 1450 years old with a long and diverse history, part of which is violence just like any other super-powerful empire in history, whilst other parts include battles for human rights, freedom of speech, equality between all human beings, also just like all civilizations. Study that history, at least for a little bit and you'll find that it's not related to Islam but to where most injustice lies.

Thanks for your reply. Actually my question is vaguely related to the film which, as you have noted, is well balanced and objective.

No, I really want to hear answers rather than the answers and no, I don't seek an agreement with the facts that I state. Anyone is welcome to challenge these facts and present the contrary.

I cannot agree though with your argument re "Islam is 1450 years old with a long and diverse history, part of which is violence just like any other super-powerful empire in history". Judaism and Christianity are older than Islam, whilst today we do not associate these religions with extremism and violence.

Thank you.

I don't think that's quite accurate. Europe today sees a lot of "white supremacy" movements and they are directly related to extreme Christianity. The idea of establishing a state for a certain religion is extremist in its very nature. The idea of Israel is to give anyone home because they have a certain belief, that's extreme.

Religion, just like any ideology, is and has been used, as a cover. That's the fact.

Agree re white supremacy (which is ridiculous) but don't agree about Israel. Israel gives home to anyone other than criminals. Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc co-exist there without any problem.

Well, that's a loooooong discussion that requires a bit digging in history.

The idea of the Zionist movement is to establish a home for Jewish, and you can look that up. The original idea was to make all land from the Nile River (in Egypt ) to the Euphrates river (in Iraq) as a homeland for Jews because that's were Moses' people lived according to the Torah. That's quite extreme. That's not what happened, of course because the wiping of Palestinian people and culture was not successful and there were numerous factors that led later to the recognition of Palestinian rights and modifying the initial goals.

No one is living peacefully in Israel. The conflict is always present.

Anyway, violence is part of the human history dynamic and it was never, and is not now, limited to any group.

Thank you.

I don't think that's quite accurate. Europe today sees a lot of "white supremacy" movements and they are directly related to extreme Christianity. The idea of establishing a state for a certain religion is extremist in its very nature. The idea of Israel is to give anyone home because they have a certain belief, that's extreme.

Religion, just like any ideology, is and has been used, as a cover. That's the fact.

It's in the Koran, every Muslim's guidebook, aka the Bible. It doesn't teach peace towards the enemies, it justifies killing the infidels. And that's the fact. Thank God, there are millions of good Muslims around the world who also have the common sense when reading the Koran (as should many Christians who take Bible literally and in its name do the same things!). The trouble is, the extremists of all religions (but particularily Islam), are preaching to every day Muslims that that is their moral and religious imparative. It's brain washing, at its best. It's very sad because the acts of those extremists are overshadowing the good deeds and remarkable qualities (including love of the neighbor) that are practiced on a daily basis by as many Muslims as Christians whom I have met during my lifetime so that the posts like these actually have a point, unfortunately.

I usually don't respond to people, a part of whose culture is fcking mules and wiping their asses with their bare hands (rather than using toilet paper), but just for the record: I'm an attorney, my father is a lawyer, my mother was a professor in university (taught foreign languages), my grandmother taught law and my grandfather was a lawyer as well as a successful businessman. Now, how white trash is this for you, bitch?

LOL!

Is this the language of an attorney/lawyer?! No way!

This is a jobless/homeless high school drop out talking. I knew from the beginning that you and your family survive on welfare cheques, PATHETIC LOSERS!

Yes, this is a language of an attorney talking to a piece of *beep* Pakis like you and your family clean the toilets in my office and apartment. Now *beep* off, because I don't want to waste my time on a pathetic mulefugger.

Muslims kill in the name of Islam and Westerners kill in the name of Freedom.
You won't hear about the many deaths and tortures done on Muslims in the name of Freedom, but you will definitely hear about muslims killing people all over the world. You see, a lot of people like you hate muslims, so if they commit crimes you will hate them even if they don't kill in the name of their religion. Also, their have been more muslims dying then you and they are mocked all over the world for what they believe in. People like you accusing them and their religion, they go through a lot and yet the westerners love to harass them. So much evil in the world? It's not the muslims who have committed so much evil in the world, It's just that only muslims are advertised all over the world to be causing damage.

How many people have been killed in the name of Christianity?

At least with Muslims you get your head chopped off.

WIth Christians they tend to burn you at the stake.

Limit of the Willing Suspension of Disbelief: directly proportional to it's awesomeness.