Law & Order: Special Victims Unit : Which episodes frustrate you the most?

I love this show, but the logic and the view points some of the detectives have (least of all the jury at times and some of the so-called "victims") resulted in me ranting to anyone who would listen about how much *beep* some of the verdicts or the opinions people have about well, the issues in the episodes.

Episodes that made me close to blowing a gasket were:

- Episode with the baby girl who died of measles because some stupid bitch didn't vaccinate her kid and decided to bring him to the park. Her defense? "That baby would have died anyway. That girl is a bad mother." Are you. *beep* Serious? She had two grandparents who loved her very much, that precious little child was the apple of her grandfather's eye. He stopped drinking because of her. Yeah, sometimes kids grow up with teen parents and they don't get the best care, but I like to think that in that particular case, she had other family who would be there to make sure the baby wouldn't have become severely neglected or abused. Bottom line: Your rights end where other childrens' health and welfare are negatively affected.

In a messed-up way, I'm glad that man committed suicide right in front of her. I want her to see his face every time she closes her eyes. I hope it scared her to vaccinate her son. I hope she never, ever forgets what she did to that family. I hope it eats away at her until the day she dies. *beep* that woman and *beep* anti-vaxxers.

-The episode with that girl who stopped taking her bipolar meds because some rock star she idolized said they were bad for her. She stopped taking them, had indiscriminate sex with some boys from her school, and claimed she was raped. Now I don't suffer from bipolar disorder (I do suffer from manic depression), but holy *beep*. And the worst part of the episode was the fact that the DA was defending this dumb brat by saying "Well, she wouldn't have stopped taking them if that rock star hadn't told her not to!". Apparently she has a family member with bipolar disorder (or at least I read that somewhere on the wiki) but I was absolutely livid at her outright hypocrisy. How many times has she told mentally ill defendants that they were still within their full capacity to act in a certain way no matter how ill they were? How many times has she scoffed at the "insanity defense" when it was most likely that the defendant was mentally ill and could not control himself/herself? How many times has she shamed people in open court for not doing the right thing simply because another person coerced, guilted, pressured, or otherwise influenced them to do something illegal or wrong (episode where the two middle school boys beat a woman to death in her apartment, for example)? And she has the gall to act like that ~15-16 year old girl who should very well be old enough and aware of her mental illness and what it did to her was so poorly misled by that mean, lying rock star? Give me a *beep* break.

-The episode with the young lady with Marfan's Syndrome, where she looked 12 years old but was actually 20, and her boyfriend whom the detectives thought was skeevy because he was attracted to her. "Oh he's only attracted to her because she looks like a child and he's sexually attracted to underaged girls". .

So? What's the problem here. What is actually the problem here. Are you telling me you'd rather this young woman go without a romantic partner throughout her life, someone who actually finds her body attractive? Because she has a congenital disorder that makes her look like a child, you would deny her love simply because it creeps you out? Would you rather this man prey upon an actual underage girl (or dabbling in child pornography, or stalking, or molesting) instead of being kept tethered to this woman who is of the age of consent and sexually attractive to him? I firmly believe he loves her, just like Beauty truly loved the Beast despite his appearance. Yeah, that's a weird comparison to make, but when they stepped out of the court house they looked like love birds, and no matter how you slice it, that manwith all of his weird infatuationsis still a human being. The show likes to paint pedophiles and child molesters as absolute monsters, but there is a world of difference between a person who has thoughts and a person who acts on those thoughts. Many people eventually act on certain thoughts "I'll go to the store today" "I'll drown my kids" many don't "I won't ram this car off the road" "I won't molest that child" "I won't steal that food". Blah blah blah blah.

- That episode where a transwoman murdered a guy because she was afraid he would out her as trans. When her boyfriend discovers her secret and proceeds to vomit
as if he had just found out he had eaten soup made from the blood of his unborn son, Stabler charmingly calls the transwoman a "He-She". *beep* off, Stabler.

Sorry, this was basically a rant, but I do want the episodes that irked you guys the most. I do like this show, it's just that sometimes the people on the show piss me off to no end, and not for the intended reasons.

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!

I agree with all of your examples.

I will also add any episode with Benson's extreme feminist views and how she believes that being raped is an excuse for a woman to do anything. Especially in Branded, that whole episode really pissed me off. Benson is more and more irritating now as MH now has the power to preach to the audience the entire episode since she is now executive producer.

Stabler and Amaro's narrow minded and homophobic attitudes really pissed me off. I am glad both of those characters are gone, the only reason they were popular is because they were attractive so the same viewers that claim to be ultra feminist ignored their bigotry and worshipped them because of their looks

Anti-vaxxers are idiots, but I didn't agree with that prosecution. If there's no law requiring people to vaccinate their kids, logically you shouldn't be able to charge someone because they acted legally (even if irresponsibly).

The most offensive thing I've ever seen on TV (not just this show) was the episode with the so-called "rape comic." First, Benson wanted to have the guy charged for his jokes (no fan of free speech there, is she?), then when they went after the guy looking for anything they could charge him with, they magically found out that he was really a rapist, and when the case fell apart, he magically gave himself away when that feminist student honey-trapped him with that video. The point being that they didn't wait for a victim before investigating him properly - they felt perfectly entitled to go after him in the first place because they didn't like his material. God help New York if that's really how the NYPD operates.

The comic falling for that honey trap sooooo quickly was just damn unrealistic.

I've been in similar situations with super pushy guys, guys who have heard the word no and don't care, as well as guys that have never been told no and don't believe you can resist them.

Never has it progressed to assault THAT quickly, or that obviously. Especially when the guy is one of those with girls willing to sleep with him whenever, whatever. The need for dominance is not that great, despite what SVU would like us believe, even for a stranger rape. Especially when the "rapist" is such a public figure and faces such serious backlash.

Father dearest , and that crap genetic sexual attraction BS
It's incest and just because you slap a fancy label on it doesn't make it legit.
Gsa was made up by a women who seduced her son and wanted it not to be her fault

Incest is incest and boy did Warren get some angry tweets from me.

Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

I've seen "genetic attraction" used a few times since that episode aired.

*sigh*

I will never understand how you go from wanting a family connection to wanting to bone your parent. It's never siblings, it's always a parent.

You're one of those people who angrily tweets famous people? Lol wow.

No I am not , but I do take incest seriously and I was angry Warren tried to make it normal with that GSA crap at least I tweeted him about something legit, not like the ones who tweet him about Liv not having a family or blame him for Meloni leaving or the ones who tweeted death

Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 15:44:14)
Incest is incest and boy did Warren get some angry tweets from me.

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Arnold25 (Sun Oct 9 2016 17:04:46)
You're one of those people who angrily tweets famous people? Lol wow.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 20:09:39)
No I am not , but I do take incest seriously and I was angry Warren tried to make it normal with that GSA crap

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So, you admit to doing it, but then if asked if you do it, you deny it? That's like telling someone that they need therapy but not counseling.

By the way, you need therapy.

You don't know me stop acting like you do

She ask me if I tweet angry tweets to celebs I said no but I did this one time .


Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 20:25:05)
You don't know me stop acting like you do

She ask me if I tweet angry tweets to celebs I said no but I did this one time .

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I wasn't acting like if I knew you, I was using your own words to try to understand how you could say one thing but then deny it by saying something else.

By doing it even one time, the answer would be yes.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 15:44:14)
Father dearest , and that crap genetic sexual attraction BS
It's incest and just because you slap a fancy label on it doesn't make it legit.
Gsa was made up by a women who seduced her son and wanted it not to be her fault

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The GSA term was coined back in the 1980's by the founder of a support group for adopted children and their families. It wasn't made up by a woman playing with her sons stick. GSA has been studied and shown to be a real thing, where even some couples were ready to walk down the aisle only to find out that they are related. So it's not bull as you believe.

My belief on incest is that it should be up to those involved to decide what they want. After all, if a brother and sister in BFE decide to bone each other, who the hell am I to preach against it? That's their business, not mine. And before you go trying to mudsling, no, I'm not in nor was I ever in an incestuous relationship. I just believe that peoples beliefs should be respected, regardless of what I (or others) think about those beliefs, provided that those beliefs aren't hurting others. I'm actually in support of incest if the chick is ugly, because then it reduces the odds of her hitting on me.

Try to look at it from this perspective If they aren't trying to have you for an audience to watch them while they bang each other, then why should you care? They let you be, so let them be.

You are sick.

Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 20:11:09)
You are sick.

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You go angrily tweeting someone because of an episode but yet I'm the one who is sick? Wow.

Look dude, just because YOU don't like it, it doesn't mean that everyone else in the world should give up their right to decide what they feel is right for them. I'm not going around promoting incest, but at the same time, I'm not out to "convert" people into my way of thinking if they are engaged in it.

There have been documented cases of people meeting for the first time, falling in love and even having children, all BEFORE finding out that they are related (brother/sister, cousins, etc). Is that still 'sick'?

Here's something else to consider. If you were to witness 100 couples engaging in sex, and were told that only ONE of those 100 couples are (brother/sister, cousins, whatever), but you weren't told which couple, would you be able to pick out who the incestuous couple is?

I'm not a Dude and I can get angry about a episode if I choose to
Now run along now and go bully someone it's what you seem to enjoy doing here
You support incest so yea you are sick

Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 20:28:45)
I'm not a Dude and I can get angry about a episode if I choose to
Now run along now and go bully someone it's what you seem to enjoy doing here
You support incest so yea you are sick

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Where did I say that I support it? I actually specifically said that I don't support it. I'm not being a bully, but you are bordering on being one. You believe that incest is sick, that's fine. You want to be angry over an episode, that's fine. But you are saying that something is sick solely based on a personal opinion. What about those who are in such relationships (either knowing it from the start or having found out later down the road) who feel happy with each other and can't imagine being with anyone else? Are you saying that they are sick? If so, then what is your basis for saying they are sick, other than who they have fallen in love with? Will their relationship cause the world to explode? Will there be an incurable disease? Will their having sex create a toxic gas that will suffocate people? What makes it sick, beyond being raised with the belief that it is sick?

Also, you didn't answer my previous question about the 100 couples. If you can't answer that question with a "yes" then you have already proven that you have very little ground to walk on in regards to whether or not it is truly "sick."

I'm not going to answer your question, I have seen the devestaing effects incest can have on a family
I have seen it first hand and yes it is Sick to have have sex with a family member and it's not always consensual it's a lot of the time it's Rape and one of the persons involved is a minor .
If it hasn't effected your life then I'm glad for you and you can make glib comments and say it's none of your business

But it's not the same for me.


Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 8 minutes ago (Sun Oct 9 2016 22:00:31)
IMDb member since March 2006
I'm not going to answer your question, I have seen the devestaing effects incest can have on a family
I have seen it first hand and yes it is Sick to have have sex with a family member and it's not always consensual it's a lot of the time it's Rape and one of the persons involved is a minor .
If it hasn't effected your life then I'm glad for you and you can make glib comments and say it's none of your business

But it's not the same for me.

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Let's clarify something here. If it's rape, that's wrong. I don't care if it involves incest or not, rape is wrong. So let's remove rape from the equation here and limit it to those who are willing participants (not forced, tricked, coerced, etc).

I firmly believe that what two (or more) people consent to do with one another is their business. If they engage in incestuous activities, that's their business, not mine.

We both know that the real reason you won't answer the question because it works against you. You're wrong, just accept it.

Stop trying to analyze me please.

I'm not answering your question because I see no reason to do so.
Incest is a sick and those that engage in it consensual or not are sick people who need help.
If you want to think it's none of your business that's fine it's your right to do so as is my right to have the opinion I have


Have a nice evening.


Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 22:18:52)
Stop trying to analyze me please.

I'm not answering your question because I see no reason to do so.
Incest is a sick and those that engage in it consensual or not are sick people who need help.
If you want to think it's none of your business that's fine it's your right to do so.

Have a nice evening.

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People analyze others all the time, whether they realize it or not.

There is indeed a reason to answer it, which, if you are smart, you already know the reason and thus your refusal to answer it. If you don't know the reason, then just answer it and find out the reason. Just because YOU don't see a reason doesn't mean there isn't one.

It's only your OPINION that incest is "sick" and that those who engage in it are "sick people." Your insistence that it's sick and your attitude towards it and those in such relationships tells me a lot about you. I've learned quite a bit about you and I'm glad I'm not like you.

Oh good grief . you are unreal and I'm done with you

Have a nice life



Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

Pulling the "I'm not answering that!!" card is so childish. It's also a sign that you can't respond.

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Arnold25 (Sun Oct 9 2016 23:07:38)
Pulling the "I'm not answering that!!" card is so childish. It's also a sign that you can't respond.

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So glad that I'm not the only one seeing through the bull reason.

If you realize that the other poster's opinion is that incest is sick, why are you going back and forth arguing about it?
You are doing the same thing you are accusing her of doing.
If you want her to respect that some people are ok with incest, accept that she is not and leave it alone.

I had a third cousin who I met as an adult (we didn't know each other) who liked me but once we found out we were related, we went the other way and thank God we never had any type of relationship. The average person would decline an intimate relationship if they found out they were related to the other person.

My husband is Middle Eastern and in their culture it is normal for cousins to marry.
In American culture it goes against social norms.
In many other cultures it is acceptable for girls to marry in their mid teens to men who are much older.
In American culture it is not.
If a term is eventually created for it and people in America begin to consider it acceptable, that does not mean I have to conform to that same opinion.

I argued with Fangs for a week and can't stand a lot of what he said, but he is not bullying you. Nor did he say he supports incest. It helps when you don't make things up.

Sure he did he said he supports it if the women is ugly that way she won't hit on him so I wasn't making a damn thing up try reading everything he said before you accuse me of Something.

And he does bully people a lot of the people here

Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 32 minutes ago (Sun Oct 9 2016 21:33:12)
IMDb member since March 2006
Post Edited: Sun Oct 9 2016 21:43:20
Sure he did he said he supports it if the women is ugly that way she won't hit on him so I wasn't making a damn thing up try reading everything he said before you accuse me of Something.

And he does bully people a lot of the people here

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You obviously don't know what a joke is. Why would I be in support of it only for ugly women? If I'm going to be in support of it, it would have to be for all who engage in it, not only the ugly ones. Get some common sense dude.

Sorry I don't find anything about Incest funny, I guess you do
Sorry for not laughing at your lame joke.

And for *beep* sake stop calling me Dude
Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

So you're too dumb to understand sarcasm? That's the problem? You actually took that seriously?

Once again, I had a repeated argument with him for a week that was back and forth and got pretty nasty. And yet he never came close to bullying me. Or anyone else on the board. I think a lot of what he said in the argument was wrong and in some cases messed up, but he wasn't bullying.

I think you're just very over sensitive and anyone who disagrees with anything you say is automatically a bully.

Well I'm done with him , you can have him .


I'm not being over sensitive about incest I refuse to normalize it or romantise it
It's sick and those who engage in it are sick to.

I'm not Dumb I don't find incest to be a joking matter aparently you and he do < shrug>
He wasn't being saracastic he was trying to be funny excuse me for not laughing














Slainte I am who I am your approval isnt needed or required.

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 23:30:04)
Well I'm done with him , you can have him .


I'm not being over sensitive about incest I refuse to normalize it or romantise it
It's sick and those who engage in it are sick to.

I'm not Dumb I don't find incest to be a joking matter aparently you and he do < shrug>
He wasn't being saracastic he was trying to be funny excuse me for not laughing

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Apparently he hit the nail on the head, with you being too sensitive about it.

Also, answering the question that I put to you isn't normalizing nor romanticizing it in any way. It's a simple question.

You think she is overly sensitive and she thinks Fangs is a bully.
Seriously, you are the only one on here so far that I've seen call someone else dumb so maybe you're the bully.
See how easy it is for everyone to label each other? Yourself included.

It's quite interesting how people can see so much in others, but can't see themselves.

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joycbeyda 4 hours ago (Thu Oct 13 2016 07:23:09)
IMDb member since July 2014
You think she is overly sensitive and she thinks Fangs is a bully.
Seriously, you are the only one on here so far that I've seen call someone else dumb so maybe you're the bully.
See how easy it is for everyone to label each other? Yourself included.

It's quite interesting how people can see so much in others, but can't see themselves.

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As much as Arnold and I have disagreed with each other and even "locked heads" over things, I don't see his post as bullying. Not only was he not referring to them as being dumb (it was more of a question that they could have retorted), but even if he was, in this instance, he would have been calling it as he sees it, in blunt terms. At worst, it would have been rude, but not bullying.

My point was that just as you may not see Arnold's post as bullying or calling someone else dumb, other poster's may see it as bullying, or may see you as insensitive. or may even see incest as sick.
Just like you and Arnold have the right to not see some things as insensitive or bullying, other people have the right to see it differently- especially without people saying things like 'are you that dumb', etc.

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joycbeyda (Thu Oct 13 2016 16:36:42)
My point was that just as you may not see Arnold's post as bullying or calling someone else dumb, other poster's may see it as bullying, or may see you as insensitive. or may even see incest as sick.
Just like you and Arnold have the right to not see some things as insensitive or bullying, other people have the right to see it differently- especially without people saying things like 'are you that dumb', etc.

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It's one thing to say "I think/believe (whatever) is sick." Because that is expressing an opinion. Instead, they were saying it's sick and disgusting as though it were a fact.

However, the belief that it is sick or whatever else is purely mental. If two people meet and strike up a relationship, including having sex, is that sick? If they later find out that they are related (say long lost brother/sister), does it make it sick that they were in that relationship, even if they discontinue it from that point forward? How is it sick if they didn't previously know? On a physical aspect, sex is the exact same. Body parts are in the same place, etc. It's not like those who are related must do something different in order to physically engage in sexual relations. If that were the case, then people who didn't know they were related would soon realize it when they try to engage in sexual behavior. So, incest being 'sick' is a mental belief, not a physical fact. (Talking about sex, not reproduction. First generation offspring of incest, while at a slightly higher risk of having abnormalities, are still more likely to be perfectly normal, despite the common belief that it's a guarantee. But that's not the point here.)

So, while I don't go around holding up signs saying "Endorse incest!" or "Incest is best, put your family to the test!" I also believe that it's the business of those involved, and not my business. If I were to go butting in to all of the incestuous relationships in the world, I would never have time for myself. No offense to anyone, but my time is important to me and I'm not about to waste it trying to preach to those who are engaging in behavior that someone else considers to be 'sick'. If someone else wants to be stupid by wasting their time doing that, then that's their choice.


Also Some people think sex is sick, but does it mean it's sick? No. Really, there are some people who find sex to be nasty/disgusting/etc. I'm not referring to little kids, I'm referring to grown adults.


If someone believes that incest is sick, that's fine. But they shouldn't go claiming that it's sick as though it's a proven fact. There is a difference between a fact and an opinion, and in this instance, it's important to make sure that the two aren't confused. Why? Simple. Since the only reason that some people believe it's sick is based on their cultural upbringing, it stands to reason that there is a possibility of meeting a couple who are closely related and it would be offensive to them to show such hatred. If their culture supports it, who am I (or anyone else) to tell them that it's wrong and that they will rot in the deepest pits of hell? If their culture says it's okay, why offend them by acting like their culture and upbringing doesn't matter? It's offensive, insensitive, and obnoxious.


Not saying people have to support incestuous relationships, but they do need to respect others, even if they are involved in one.

Most people's belief are based on what is going on in their mind. So someone saying incest is normal versus someone saying it is sick is based on their mental view of it and most people do state their views and beliefs as facts, because that is how they see it.

I don't think that the belief that incest is wrong or disgusting is as much about physical attraction as it is about the mental half of it.
As I stated in my previous post, I have in the past had a 3rd cousin who was attracted to me ( we never met growing up) but once he found out I was his cousin, he didn't bother to talk to me.
So someone sleeping with a person they don't know is related to them is not the same as someone sleeping with a person that they know is related to them. It's not about the physical aspect as much as the mental aspect. That also goes hand in hand with the statement I made earlier about parent/child incestual relationships - even parents that have not known or raised a child often have certain mental powers over them (even as an adult) because children look to parents for affection and approval well into adulthood.

Also, As I explained in my previous post - a lot of it comes down to social norms. If people have been raised in a society where it is normal or one where it is considered wrong, that is most likely what they will believe.

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joycbeyda (Thu Oct 13 2016 19:24:24)
Most people's belief are based on what is going on in their mind. So someone saying incest is normal versus someone saying it is sick is based on their mental view of it and most people do state their views and beliefs as facts, because that is how they see it.

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They went beyond stating an opinion, they were stating it as a solid fact. Read the posts again. Even went as far as to say that *I* am sick, and that's for merely saying that it's the business of those who are in such relationships.

Their believe that it's sick goes to the point of believing it's a provable fact, just like it can be proven that people die without oxygen or that wood and paper can be set on fire.

I don't always succeed, but I do try to consider cultural differences and I try to encourage the respect of views of others. Of course, I don't do it to the extent of losing my own voice, as I'm sure a couple of others here will vouch for. Just that, to me, something that is as insignificant as incest shouldn't receive so much hate that you would think all people who are in (or have been in) such relationships should be burned to hell. There are much more important things in life, such as fighting against physical torture as forms of punishment/control, that people could worry about.

I agree with a lot of what you said.
Even if I don't agree with people's lifestyles, I try to just respect others and let them lead their lives how they see fit (as long as they are not harming others- especially children)
I just kind of feel like you are playing a game of semantics with what the other poster said.

I understand and agree that it is more respectful and sensible to put the words 'I believe' or 'my opinion is' in front of a polarizing, opinionated statement - but I also realize that people don't always make sure to clarify that something they say is a personal/ethical/religious belief they hold and not a fact.
On my end, whether a person clarifies that it is a personal belief or not, I realize that when it comes to subjects like these- that is exactly what it is.

I have also learned that for many people, beliefs that stem from their religion are usually held as facts in their minds.
There are many people who say "religion is evil!" I'm not going to ask them to please add an "I believe" in front of that statement. I already get that it's their opinion.
Lastly, I don't feel the other poster should have called you 'sick'.

Looking at this post again

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lld3497 (Sun Oct 9 2016 15:44:14)
Father dearest , and that crap genetic sexual attraction BS
It's incest and just because you slap a fancy label on it doesn't make it legit.
Gsa was made up by a women who seduced her son and wanted it not to be her fault

Incest is incest and boy did Warren get some angry tweets from me.

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Incorrect about where GSA originated from and seems to believe that it's an actual fact that incest is 'sick'. Also, GSA is real, despite their belief.

A person can believe something strongly and state it with conviction, without constantly bringing it up and offending others.
I don't think the poster you had the disagreement with was out of line with stating her opinion strongly and I don't think you were out of line with stating your opinion strongly.
It is her belief that it is sick and it is the belief of others that it is not.
People in incestual relationships are not required to say ' I personally believe incestual relationships are ok' just to appease those who don't agree with it.
If they want to say 'There is nothing wrong with incestual relationships' (without adding 'I believe') they are allowed to do so.
They are allowed to state their belief as they please.

I don't personally support incest (especially between parents and their offspring) but I do understand that in some cultures, cousins marrying is considered normal and I respect that.
I also, don't have the time or energy to hound people with my personal belief system but I feel everyone should have the right to freely express their beliefs without oppression from others and without oppressing others.
I did not feel that the poster you were going back and forth was out of line when expressing her beliefs regarding incest.
I do believe that some points you made were valid as well and I respect that you did not stoop to name calling.

Saying to someone 'are you too dumb to see' is pretty rude and disrespectful in my opinion.

The other poster does not see anything funny about incest.

They think incest is sick. Enough said.

I personally did not think you were being a bully.

I also personally think incest is sick, especially between a parent and child.

I think even as adults, many parents have a certain power over their kids - even if they didn't raise them. I've read stories about people who met their parents for the first time as adults and even then were desperate for their love and approval.
I think a parent having an incestual relationship with a child at any age is abuse on the parents end because this need for love and approval from the child (even as an adult) can become distorted.
As I said in a previous post, my husband is from the Middle East and cousins marrying is a social norm there.
What is interesting as well- in my opinion- is that in the Bible/Torah, etc. there were incestual relationships- such as King David's son and his half sister.
The sister implored her half brother to go to their father, King David, to ask him for her hand in marriage.

Much of this once again, comes down to social norms, but I have never heard in any society of it being normal for a parent to have relations with their child.

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Arnold25 (Sun Oct 9 2016 21:13:09)
I argued with Fangs for a week and can't stand a lot of what he said, but he is not bullying you. Nor did he say he supports incest. It helps when you don't make things up.

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Having a debate with someone who can hold their own, regardless of positions and opinions, is nice. Especially compared to some people who clearly can't or won't see/acknowledge the obvious. Might not agree with you on stuff and whatever, but you don't seem to be, um, narrow minded in certain ways. People can learn from that. (Trust me, that's not an insult towards you in any way.)

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dogstar-12 (Sat Oct 8 2016 22:14:30)
The most offensive thing I've ever seen on TV (not just this show) was the episode with the so-called "rape comic." First, Benson wanted to have the guy charged for his jokes (no fan of free speech there, is she?), then when they went after the guy looking for anything they could charge him with, they magically found out that he was really a rapist, and when the case fell apart, he magically gave himself away when that feminist student honey-trapped him with that video. The point being that they didn't wait for a victim before investigating him properly - they felt perfectly entitled to go after him in the first place because they didn't like his material. God help New York if that's really how the NYPD operates.

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You're referring to "Comic Perversion (2014)" and you should watch it again. That night, after his routine, there was a victim, with the aggressors being influenced by the comics routine. There was also a victim of the comedian, where she was saying that he raped her and he was saying it was consensual. It's not that they went digging around and then managed to find a victim. In a way that happened, but it was after they started investigating the girl who accused him of rape, and they discovered there were other situations where he had been accused of rape.

Either way it was a stupid, offensive episode. Making rape jokes doesn't make someone a rapist, I find rape jokes disgusting but I don't think comedians who make them are rapists. And Olivia wanted to go after him even before she found out he was accused of rape. She wanted to see him put in jail for making a rape joke, and that just shows that she is a feminist radical who doesn't care about the constitution, her hatred of men is everything. That episode was really pathetic and disgusting, and it was shortly after that that I quit watching in season 15 and only retuned a couple of episodes into season 16 to see what the new detective ( Carisi ) was like and I liked him and him plus Fin and Barba were enough to keep me watching.

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Xeliou66 (Sun Oct 9 2016 17:37:31)
Either way it was a stupid, offensive episode. Making rape jokes doesn't make someone a rapist, I find rape jokes disgusting but I don't think comedians who make them are rapists. And Olivia wanted to go after him even before she found out he was accused of rape. She wanted to see him put in jail for making a rape joke, and that just shows that she is a feminist radical who doesn't care about the constitution, her hatred of men is everything. That episode was really pathetic and disgusting, and it was shortly after that that I quit watching in season 15 and only retuned a couple of episodes into season 16 to see what the new detective ( Carisi ) was like and I liked him and him plus Fin and Barba were enough to keep me watching.

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I wasn't commenting on the quality nor taste of the episode. I was providing information about how it actually went.

On the one hand, I agree about freedom of speech. On the other hand though, if it is found to have an influence on what happens to others, then they should be held accountable. If at the end he were to make a serious comment that it's only a routine and that rape isn't funny at all, regardless of what he's said in his act, and discouraged rape of any kind (without making some sort of added joke), then that'd be different. Because then if someone goes out and rapes based on what he said, despite the end comment to not do it, it falls squarely on those who did it. Mind you, the accountability should only exist if it can be shown that the act had an influence on what happened. If he did his routine and then a random rape occurred elsewhere out of pure coincidence, then that sucks but he didn't influence it.

It's akin to saying that someone should be killed. If the person saying it influenced it to happen, they should hold some responsibility for it. Freedom of speech has it's limits, and if someone is going to test those limits, they should be prepared to accept the consequences when they cross the lines.

I understand and agree but only to an extent.

People's actions fall on their own shoulders. I do not believe that someone who is morally and ethically sound will hear a rape joke and go out and commit rape.
I also do not believe someone telling another person to commit murder will cause someone to just go kill.

A person who commits rape or murder based off of someone else making a joke or comment is not mentally stable and already probably has a propensity towards that type of behavior.

Yeah, I'm not buying that. You can't hold a comedian responsible for a few idiots pulling a stupid prank. So, right off the bat they had no cause to investigate him further - except that they objected to his jokes and decided to "dig deeper" to find something incriminating.

Conveniently for the plotline of the episode (and the show's agenda) the comic happened to be a rapist, but they never would have found that victim if Benson and the squad hadn't decided to pursue their vendetta.