The Sopranos : Who Killed Tony At Holstens?

Members only jacket guy?

The two black guys looking at the pie?

The old man with the cap?

The guy with the two cub scouts?

Carmela?

What do you think?

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Bzzt, Chase said Tony choked to death on an onion ring!

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even by a logical standpoint that makes the most sense.

the way they were all shoving them in their mouths whole???

Oh God. Fortune vomits on my eiderdown once more.

How is anyone supposed to know? It was one of Phil's guys, most likely, but nobody in the restaurant looked familiar to the audience. Even Chase doesn't know--he wants the audience to argue about it!



He who conquers himself is mightier than he who conquers a city.

The guy that went into the toilet, I was in 2 minds over wether tony died until I saw the theory of Chris's 3 o'clock warning after being in a coma, and the toilets being at Tony's 3'oclock

It's a Tony POV shot (pun intended), we know as much as Tony did the few milliseconds before his life force is snuffed out. Like Tony, we'll never know.

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

How do you know it's Tony's POV? Last shot we see would be Meadow's view of him, so wouldn't it be her POV?

I haven't seen it in a while, but the door is about to open IIRC.

It's Tony's POV because, as I said, the flash to black/silence is Tony's exit, the nothingness of death.

In numerous interviews the creators and producers have said that they never designated a killer, they left it up to interpretation.

Since we're discussing it here, all these years later, it seems they made the right choice. There's no way to nail down even which crew did it. It didn't necessarily have to be Phil's organization, it could have been anyone for a myriad of reasons.

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

How can it be Tony's POV if we're looking at Tony's face when it cuts to black? Tony's POV would be if we saw the door opening from inside and Meadow coming in.

Cut to black is Tony's POV, he's dead, the big nothing.

When Bobby and Tony are on the lake, Bobby says "you never hear it coming", or something along those lines.

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

Sorry but you're wrong. When it cuts to black we're looking at him. I'm not sure how you can dispute this when his face is the last thing we see. If it was his POV we'd see from his position, which means we'd see Meadow at the door.

When it cuts to black, the silent blackness IS his POV.

Is it that hard to understand that a dead persons consciousness would be black and silent...nothingness?

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

When it cuts to black we are looking at Tony, do you dispute this?

You're kidding, right?

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

This is why this board is tripe

not you cobram, but the others needless pulling teeth, when one says it cuts to his POV, its clearly AFTER the bell rings, when during the entire scene, thats how it occurs

Bell rings we CHANGE from seeing TONY, to seeing what tony SEES hence his POV

after the last bell, it goes black

its not rocket science its HBO

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Wrong. In the previous instances it doesn't cut to Tony's pov mid-sequence. We're looking at Tony when it's cuts to black, so it's Meadow's POV, not Tony's. What you say would only make sense if it cuts to black with us looking at Meadow at the door.

What happens when the bell rings, we cut to a different POV, right before the CUT to black bell rings, come on man you know the deal

we were looking at meadow and then the bell and then black

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Sorry but the last thing WE see is Tony, not Meadow. We have Meadow's POV when it cuts to black, not Tony's. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.

Yes just like every time before the bell rang

The bell ringing was proceeded by what Mr sparkle

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It was proceeded by nothing. If Chase wanted to show Tony's pov we'd see Meadow and then it would cut to black. He cut to black early so it would be ambiguous. Hence his own quotes:

"There's more than one way of looking at the ending. That's all I'll say."

"Either it ends here for Tony or some other time"

Are you going to pretend he didn't say these things?

By nothing, you say, like the nothingness one would see after being shot and being dead?

Thank you Mr sparkle thank you



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By saying nothing about the two Chase quotes are you implying that you agree with them?

Thank you woodntuliketoknow thank you

Nope since both of the quotes you posted help my conclusion

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"There's more than one way of looking at the ending. That's all I'll say."

"Either it ends here for Tony or some other time"

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Your second one more so, he admits in that that it COULD end there for Tony

thanks mr sparkle thank you

Also copying my salutations, yea u mad

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"There's more than one way of looking at the ending. That's all I'll say."

"Either it ends here for Tony or some other time"

Yes, I can really see how these quotes support your claim 

Seems you've given up on serious replies now that you've had your @ss handed to you 

Either it ends HERE or some other time

there's acknowledgement in him dying there

You can fit it into your argument however u see fit

Me and the majority of other see it as him dying im sorry youre in the minority

but your quotes dont help you

BUTTTTTTT

What way are YOU looking at it, it sounds like just the one?!?!?!?!!?!

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Moron, I already stated clearly that it's ambiguous, which is how Chase intended. Only he knows what happened and he's content to take it to his grave while *beep* with the fans every few years with nonsense statements.

You're obsessed with him needing to be dead, whereas I don't care one way or the other, because we were deliberately never given closure.

Incorrect

However in the fictional Universe in which The Sopranos exist Tony dies

Is it ambiguous yep

Do I still think Tony died yep

What's with the hurling insults at one another are you that angry mr. Sparkle

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He's only dead in the empty space between your ears. Chase never wanted us to know, otherwise there's no reason for him to end it like he did and act like such an arrogant, smug tw@t for all these years. He's having a laugh at all of us.

Na I'm pretty sure of the millions who have watched the series the FAR MAJORITY believe he died

Go ask anyone you know who's watched and see their response

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What does their opinion matter when the creator has said that there's more than one way of looking at it? Some people want to believe he died cause they think he deserved it and it would bring them closure, but Chase never cared about closure as he proved by never revisiting the Slava/Valery situation. In fact, he makes fun of people who require closure and compares them to children.

Since there is nothing definitive, and in terms of the fictional universe in which the Sopranos existed something had to happen

you want to sit and say The creator hasnt said anything and live by it then go right ahead, enjoy it please

However were on IMDb, on a message board for the show, thats why its a question of importance here, does it affect my day to do, Nope.

Chase only doesnt care to the point that people are still talking about it

notice how little people talk about breaking bad now or basically any other show.

Its fun to think about, so when users like you right here want to shut the door on it, is why its faced with backlash, do you get that?

Probably Not

So in easy terms, Message board talky about show, muy fun (divertido) in case you dont speak english

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Quite the morph in this thread.

The title and premise of this thread is "Who Killed Tony at Holstens?"
As such, the short, easy answer would be, nobody knows.

Mr. Sparkles is being argumentative for argument's sake.

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

Wrong, the short, easy answer would be, nobody knows if he died or not.

Yes but to those here, most think he did die, and thats why they say as such.

your reasons otherwise are contrite and dull

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your reasons otherwise are contrite and dull

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Do you even know what "contrite" means?

It took u four days to say that?

Why not just pussyfoot around or ignore it your insatianonable need to want to be right has a week left

It's funny how you have backed off your initial thought thanks Mr sparkle

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Hey, imadbasayev. Do you still cyber with mcgillicutty?

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When it cuts to black we are looking at Tony, do you dispute this?

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No, BEFORE it cuts to black we are looking at Tony. WHEN it cuts to black you are looking at the cut to black. Tony's view/death/emptiness. If you think that WHEN it cuts to black, that is Meadow's POV, then you think she is looking at Tony and he suddenly becomes a black empty space.

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Moron, the last thing we see before it cuts to black is Tony. Anything you suggest we're looking at after is conjecture. The only fact is that he's alive and we're looking at him when it ends.

Name calling, the final action of a person who's run out of the few ideas they had.

Goodbye, you will have the honor of likely being the last person I add to my ignore list before this board ceases to be.

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9OsHsLJ28


All explained in this video

Naw, it was the Cub Scouts behind him. They wanted to impress the Girl Scouts, who had a beef about Tony's distribution cut of their product on the street (Girl Scout Cookies.)

"Man without relatives is man without troubles." Charlie Chan

You forget the young guy and gal who are on a date.