Project Runway : Was that a banana print outfit put on a black model?

Was that a banana print outfit put on a black model?

Die Erin, Die!
ha! just kidding.

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No kidding. It struck me as well. That was a big no no :)

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No kidding. It struck me as well. That was a big no no :)


Why is it a big no no?

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The most common insult to black people is comparing them to apes, monkeys, gorillas, While despicable, it is a sad fact. And even if Erin is completely oblivious to it, and her matching the banana outfit with a black girl is totally unrelated to racism, it still adds or risks adding fuel to the fire. Just look at how many people here noticed the obvious.

It was a tasteless decision.

I remember a local add campaign, for a company similar to Western Union, in which they promoted their money transfer services to Africa. They used all kinds of "typical" symbols to represent Africa, the most notable being bananas. The target market took some serious offense. So yes, it is an unlucky combination of elements, best avoided.

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The most common insult to black people is comparing them to apes, monkeys, gorillas, While despicable, it is a sad fact. And even if Erin is completely oblivious to it, and her matching the banana outfit with a black girl is totally unrelated to racism, it still adds or risks adding fuel to the fire. Just look at how many people here noticed the obvious.

It was a tasteless decision.

I remember a local add campaign, for a company similar to Western Union, in which they promoted their money transfer services to Africa. They used all kinds of "typical" symbols to represent Africa, the most notable being bananas. The target market took some serious offense. So yes, it is an unlucky combination of elements, best avoided.



That's absolutely awful then.

Cause I'm asian/black/latina, and I did not see it.

Its a f*king banana, am I not supposed to wear anything with banana's on it. Jesus christ.

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I bet you're one of those people who think because you're a walking Benetton ad of almost all colors/races, that if you don't see anything wrong, then no one else should.

I'm part this, part that, and the other, soI'm "race neutral" Oh please. I hope you don't believe mixed people can't be racially insensitive either.

Go ahead and wear banana prints. No one's stopping you. While you're at it thrown in some watermelon like Erin's FW outfit.

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Actually, you're probably one of those who see something wrong with everything. therefore everyone else should?

Its not like I'm the only one who is saying this. Does that make all of us wrong, and you right?

I didn't attack the previous poster. I am just saying I did not see it. Gets?

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It honestly didn't even cross my mind until I saw this post. People are so easily offended these days it's laughable. I think that even noticing it is more racist than just saying it was another outfit and maybe it just fit her body type best

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I think that even noticing it is more racist
That's rediculous. Following that logic, an office that fights and sensibilises against racism (and is, therefore, focused on it) would be full of potential racists Noticing it doesn't make someone racist, it means they're aware of racism and what could possibly enable it.


People are so easily offended these days it's laughable.
And this is called an over-generalization to shrug away obvious concerns as to not have to deal with it.

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I'm aware of racism. There was nothing racist about her wearing that outfit. Again, maybe it just fit her body type best.

And yes, it is more racist to notice that. What I saw was a pretty woman wearing an unusual outfit. It is "ridiculous" (no e in ridiculous) to assume that race had anything to do with it. End of story. Point blank.

It's not an over-generalization when it's true. You're making a big deal out of nothing. Go to a safe space.

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That's rediculous. Following that logic, an office that fights and sensibilises against racism (and is, therefore, focused on it) would be full of potential racists Noticing it doesn't make someone racist, it means they're aware of racism and what could possibly enable it.



What a MORONIC logic.

Do you realize how many banana designs and prints there are in africa and carribean?

You are seriously a fkkking moron.

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I'm confused: why is it specifically wrong for a black model to wear a banana outfit?

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It's not. People are just dramatic and too easily offended.

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And what about the placement of the banana on the front of the skirt? I so wanted her to put that outfit into her mini collection so we could hear Michael Kors comment on the placement of said banana.



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No one noticed Erin made a "BIG BIRD" outfit for herself; in YELLOW?

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OH, I noticed! I said to my husband "Good Lord, she's wearing a muppet!"

(Her outfit should have come with a disclaimer: No muppets were harmed in the making of this outfit".



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I agree! I was like lord, no, do not give the banana outfit to the black girl. Unfortunate.

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While yellow is a color that looks good on brown skin, I admit I must say A part of me cringes for obvious reasons.
Another part of me cringes whenever I hear others say "youre HYPERSENSITIVE!" and then another part of me just wants to punch the living daylights out of them for being Insensitive.

But I cant do that, because Id be proving them right for another stereotypethe impulsively violent animal-.
its catch-22, I tell 'ya. Catch 22!

That model definitely didn't say anything, but I bet she was thinking it. You just can't tell a designer (or superior) anything these days for fear of being fired.

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When I saw the banana print it reminded me of Johnny Chimpo from the Super Troopers movie. It was impossible to think of anything else once my brain connected the two.

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I believe that the hand holding the banana is brown alsoneed to look again but that struck me more than the model

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You are correct. The hand holding the banana in the print was of a darker ethnicity.

Eat your cereal with a fork and do your homework in the dark

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The whole print needed to go, no matter what the ethnicity of the model wearing it.

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It was ugly but offensive to some and that trumps ugly
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Could be an homage to Josephine Baker

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I think it's sad people see a dark coloured individual and a banana print and immediately go there. That thought didn't even cross my mind, I just thought it was probably the ugliest, most unflattering thing I've ever seen.

After reading these comments I just feel sad, the world has still a long way to come

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Remember during the last "AS's" Ken had some throw-away yellow fabric and whipped up a dress he turned around backwards so there was a high collar in the front with open back! His model was rather dark and it worked out well in his collection!

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Its sad that people have an issue when others are offended. If it was offensive to some including me then that's what it was to them

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But why were you offended? Why would you see a banana print and someone with dark colour skin and make a monkey association? Would you make that same association if that print was put on a white coloured person?

Now I'm not ingorant, I know racists out there make that connection, but to have that be the first thing to pop into your mind, isn't that sad? It means they've won

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Look up "Beautiful game turned ugly" on youtube. Throwing bananas onto the field. Was that soccer player supposed to think "oh, I need the potassium," "how thoughtful of them?"

Have you seen the way the WORLD, not just Italian soccer fans look at black people?
As second class citizens, subhuman. Sorry if it's difficult to get that out of my head.

But you're right, if no one sees the connection, that is indeed a beautiful thing.

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It's sad other people recognize racist undertones? Congrats to being unaware or blissfully ignorant then.

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Congrats to being unaware or blissfully ignorant then.
Or to being simply not racist. Only someone in the habit of making that racist connection would "recognize" racist undertones in this particular situation.

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Well said Dreamsville. I saw nothing racist; just an outfit I didn't really like on a beautiful girl.

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There were no racist undertones. Never in the entire run of this PR season has there been any indication that Erin is racist, so how where there any racist undertones?

You know MJ said it best "I'm not gonna spend my life being a colour"I'm not saying racism doesn't exist (trust me as a kid with a mother from a different country and an accent growing up in Greece in the 80's I wish I was ignorant) but this wasn't racist, nothing racist was implied so yeah, it's sad when you cannot see something for what it is (a terrible fabric and print that would look hideous on every single individual out there, no matter if they are white, black, pink or striped) and have to attribude racial undertones to it.

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You know MJ said it best "I'm not gonna spend my life being a colour"

Who, MJ? that black guy who lied about having vitiligo to medically justify his need to become white to calm the masses? THAT GUY?

Then when he was white, decided to use Johnny Cochran to give him the OJ special "race card" testimony that the molestation charges are just another way to bring a successful black man down? Right let's take advice from that guy. He was clearly sane.

I love MJ as a musician, but as a person, he was quite a S#!+. Oh yeah, and his children aren't his.

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Yeah, kind of like how men see women with bananas and cucumbers and DON'T think about phallic d!ld03s.

Ignorance is surely bliss, but let's not kid ourselves. Ignoring problems sure do make them go away. Kind of like bullies. Right.

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It's beautiful that the thought didn't cross your mind. Yes, the outfit is ugly regardless of who's wearing it.

the world has still a long way to come
Seeing color is not the problem, it's minding it. However let's not pretend Milan, Italy; London, England; Paris, France and the rest of the fashion world didn't look down on black models. They have a quota or something for their agencies & fashion shows. They don't even want them wasting time auditioning. Some go as far as choosing ugly white models over beautiful ebony goddesses every time. Even for parts modeling!
The world is not colorblind, of course not hello! it's fashion. A visual medium.

It is getting better though, I will admit. Year after year I notice the progress.

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Some go as far as choosing ugly white models over beautiful ebony goddesses every time. Even for parts modeling!
Their biggest fear is that white customers will think "the catalog must not be marketing the product to me" if they see a different color modeling the product. Especially in Asia, they prefer white skin.

hello! it's fashion. A visual medium.
It is also a businesswhere money is the bottom line.

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Most racists are blissfully ignorant and unaware. I think several of you are working with a very different definition of racism/racist.
Did you know denying that something is racist when others say they were offended actually is racist itself? I'm a 40 year old Black woman and have lived in the US my whole life so I think that makes me qualified to call it out. And her winning just made it all worse

Gsworldbuilder gave a great explanations as to why it was racist and offensive. Go up near the top of the thread and read it. As a Black person, I get really tired of having to explain why I'm offended. I was! Damn.smfh

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Did you know denying that something is racist when others say they were offended actually is racist itself?
Sorry but that's not automatically true. It depends entirely on what the "something" is.

Gotta love this thread. Posters are being berated for not being racist.

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Did you know denying that something is racist when others say they were offended actually is racist itself? I'm a 40 year old Black woman and have lived in the US my whole life so I think that makes me qualified to call it out. And her winning just made it all worse



Wrong.

When did she deny it? She didn't see what's wrong with it, the same way many here didn't.
Now, had someone told her its offensive, maybe she should change it, sure. But maybe not. But you didn't give her that benefit, you all just into conclusion regardless.

And don't accuse me of being racist and tell me I'm less qualified, just because i'm less black than you.


And her winning just made it all worse



now THAT is racist.
For saying she shouldn't win simply for that reason.

Oh yeah, surely you will come back and backpedal and say, "actually I just don't like her designs". No?

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You are sooo brain dead Leika. Erin should not have won because I think her collection was the worst. Her awful stupid banana motif made her winning worse because it was ugly and she was the least talented plus it was offensive Not sure how me thinking that is racist. Are you the one who said you were Asian, black and Latino or something? If that was you, and you still don't understand racism and people being offended, you are a freaking moron. Guess you'll think that's racist toowith your dumb ass

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Well, since you went there.

You are the f**ng moron, a racist idiot.
You're a dumb ass.
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A lot of people are crying wolf. I think we live in an age where just because we "feel" something is offensive automatically means we are valid and shouldn't try to understand it. Is Erin a racist? Doubtful. Her BFF this seasons was Dexter. Was she insensitive? Only to those who want to read into it when they know, logically, there's no racist claim to be made. It's likely she chose to put it on the model it looked best on? If she discriminated based on skin color, even if trying to be sensitive, that's far worse. Shaming people who didn't see the models black skin as being "blissful ignorant racist" is elitist nonsense, and is kind of a huge problem today - where people on the internet want to throw stones at everything. Sometimes I think these liberals enjoy constantly bringing up race because, once no one sees it, they won't have anything to pat themselves on the back about. A banana print on a black woman is only offensive if people associate black people with gorillas or monkeys. I guess for those of us that don't, we need to open are eyes are start seeing the resemblance? I'm fully aware that people have used bananas to insult black people, but when it's used in an artistically beautiful way that has allowed viewers to not even notice the model's race, I see that as reclaimation and progress.

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Thank you!!! I cannot believe I was called a racist because I don't make the banana/black person correlation. Yes I know people do, like I said grew up in GreeceI know racism, I lived with it everyday as a child, even though I was/am actually the same race as them (caucasian) just had a foreign motherdidn't matter. I know racism today, being a Greek person living abroad in a country that decided a short while ago that foreigners aren't welcome and Greeks are all lazy f#cks who don't want to work and just want to be given money for nothing.


I however am not racist and I refuse to see the world through the eyes of racist individuals. I see a beautiful gorgeous black woman or man, I don't see someone that even remotely reminds me of a monkey! So rcok on that banana print if you want to, or don'tdon't let society and the twisted minds of other individuals put you in a box! Or anyone else for that matter.

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I didn't make the racist connection until I read these posts I just thought it was ugly and silly.

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Yellow shows up more brightly against dark skin. That was my take away from it.

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Yep. I caught that and rolled my eyes. So stupid.
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