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I saw this film last night. I consider myself a forgiving film fan, meaning I can appreciate many types of films. I see lots of films, probably about 200 per year. I go to various film festivals. I especially love non-mainstream films (call them art films, or whatever). But, I have to say this film was so disturbing I couldn't stay for it all. A significant number of people left before I did; I was able to stay for about the first two hours of the film. I kept hoping there would be something in the film to make me sympathize with the lead character so I wouldn't hate him so much for what he does to his family, but it didn't come and the film was so depressing that I had to leave.

I haven't seen a trailer for this film in a theater, but I can tell you that the descriptions of the film I've read do not prepare the audience for the violence in this film. That is why I think some people left the theater before the film was over last night, they didn't know what they were getting themselves into.

I'm sure the film will get people that see it talking, but I have to wonder if the filmmaker and producers think many people will actually see this film. It is so violent and so depressing that I can't imagine it will find much of an audience. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

I have only ever walked out of about 3 or 4 films in my life, and that is out of well over a thousand films I've seen in theaters. Again, I can handle almost anything, but I couldn't handle this. Perhaps if there had been more background in the beginning to help us understand the lead character, but instead he just appears to be a monster.

I had to leave because not only was it too violent and depressing, but when I finally thought to myself "why am I putting myself through this?", I couldn't come up with a valid reason to stay.

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Whoa, you sure seem defensive about this...are you a producer of the film or something? It's just my opinion. Anyway, I tend to avoid films like Saw or Hostel, I don't think they are worth watching. I loved No Country, thought it was the best film I saw last year, but it had characters that I could identify with and sympathize with.

Look, if you like the film, great. I'm glad you got to see it (or participate in it if you are connected with it). However, I looked at the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes which were mostly negative. I read the review in our local paper, which gave it only one star out of five and said to avoid this film, so I don't think I'm in the minority when I criticize this film.

While I don't think box office results should be the main reason for making a film, I can't see this film making any money at all. Much better films about Iraq have not had any luck making any money. Perhaps the filmmaker and producers realize this won't make any money and are fine with that; maybe they really think it is such an important film that it doesn't matter if it makes money. If they feel that way, I can admire their dedication to the subject. But that doesn't mean that I or anyone else has to sit through such a disturbing and poorly made film.

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I forgot to mention I did indeed also see There Will Be Blood, Mean Streets, Casino, and Goodfellas, and I'm shocked that you would try to put Badland in the same hemisphere with those great films. Those were all works of art; this is just a bad (and disturbing) film.

Sorry if that's too honest but it's my opinion.

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Where did I say I endorsed this war? You are putting words in my mouth. I don't think you want to hear other people's opinions unless they agree with you. I understand people may disagree with me...no big deal, I'm just giving my opinion. Why can't you respect that some people may think Badland is just not a good movie? Why do you think your opinion is the only valid opinion?

I'm glad you enjoyed the film and think it is worthy, I just happen to think you are in the minority.

Look, it's a waste of both our times to argue over this. We disagree, that's all.

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I should just ignore you, but I'll make one more post on the subject. I said all that about seeing lots of movies to make it clear that I love movies and hardly ever walk out of a movie. This movie made me do that. That's how truly bad it is in my opinion.

I wasn't trying to be arrogant, and I apologize if it came off that way. I thought by making it clear that I am a huge movie fan that sees lots of movies it would help readers of my post understand that I wasn't the kind of movie-goer that only sees a couple of movies a year and doesn't have a lot of films to compare Badland to.

I still stand by my opinion that this movie stinks.

I can tell you really care about this movie, and I do respect that. We just have wildly different opinions of what constitutes a good movie.

I will mention that you make accusations and then don't back them up, which I find strange. For instance, you accused me earlier of being an endorser of this war, then when I called you on it, you didn't respond. Instead you just threw more accusations at me such as me thinking I am some sort of prime authority. It's difficult to argue intelligently with someone like you.

OK, I really am going to leave this subject alone now.

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Please allow me to weigh in on this subject. The problem with this movie is not that it is violent, or that its political position about the war is wrong, or that the subject matter is too disturbing. The problem with this film is that it was so poorly conceived and executed that the result is an unwatchable mess. What makes this film truly outrageous is the hubris of the filmmakers, as evidenced by the length of the film, and the incredibly cheap shot that the "shocking" ending delivers. This isn't just a matter of opinion, and there are myriad reasons to come to this conclusion. Suffice to say that, regardless of the good intentions of the filmmakers (giving them the benefit of doubt that they had any), their level of incompetence is a rarity, and they should never again be given the means to make another film unless someone with a modicum of ability were to watch over them with complete control. This conclusion is really indisputable, and any attempt to dispute it would reveal the true motivations of the individual making that argument.

Amico1, you should be ashamed of yourself. Promoting something that you have a personal stake in on a forum such as this, without revealing your relationship to it, is absolutely dishonest. If you have aspirations to continue in filmmaking, you really should at least make an effort to learn something about it.

I would really like to see a film that makes a real statement about war and its effect on those who find themselves in harm's way. "In The Valley Of Elah" does a reasonable job of it, but I really would like to see a film that tackles the subject matter in depth. Wasting my time looking at this amateurish garbage is just inherently wrong. It's shocking that this trash was actually picked up for distribution.

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Oh, of course, you're not part of the team. You've posted 17 comments on IMBD over the course of 10 months, every one of them concerning Badland, but you're not part of the team.

Your lack of reading comprehension skills also belies these denials of your relationship to this film: I only mentioned "user reviews", not external reviews that Kevin Thomas, who does indeed exist, would have written. And I mentioned them in another post, not the one you responded to. The fact that the film received one positive press review among hundreds of negative ones only shows that Kevin Thomas' opinion is worth very little.

You say it's pointless to argue with me, but here you are doing it. Perhaps you're the one who should shut the f-up. You've made a number of conclusions about me without knowing a single fact. If you are indeed not involved with this production, why don't you illuminate me with some facts about who you are, and why your opinion should matter?

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looks like this film wasnt well received, and it had zero marketing, as well.

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