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Characters voted best to worst as people

1. Monica-she does the most for everyone in the group. Like always hosting (it isn't cheap hosting with all those drinks and food over the years). Cooking thanksgiving every year and cooking certain things for certain people. Taking Rachel in after years of not talking and not being invited to her wedding.

2. Phoebe-are is such a kind soul. She was a surrogate out of the kindness of her heart. She talked to a lot of people that weren't considered normal. Like she gave all that money to the hopeless women. She gave back the cat that she TRULY believe carried the soul of her mother. It was just a lot.of small things that added up.

3. Chandler-to me his one big flaw was how he treated Janice through out the first part of the series but I think he redeems himself here. He supported Joey for years without expecting anything. He's generally a good friend and guy.

4. Rachel- she is a interesting case. She doesn't exactly do anything wonderful to help anyone or anything like that but she doesn't do anything bad. She's just natural person.

5. Ross-to me the one good thing he ever did was give Phoebe the bike. Which was very sweet. So why isn't he at least above Rachel? First of all what always bugged me is that he took the money from Joey from a the cups game. He must've knew Joey was really struggling but he took that MUCH from him. Would you do that to friend that was super low on cash? There's also the fact that he's "the nice guy". Meaning the one of those annoying guys that always complain that they're so nice and good but women don't drop into their laps and etc so freaking annoying.

7. Joey- okay yes Joey is a very sweet and caring guy. But he did a lot of crap pyramid stuff to women. He slept with many of them and never called them back. He left them for Chandler to basically tell he didn't want a relationship. He even lied about his name a couple of times. Really not okay. He probably hurt a lot of women.

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Phoebe is an awful human being.

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Why do you think so?

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Because she was constantly mean to everyone. The worst example being when she told Chandler that Monica had originally wanted to hook up with Joey. There was absolutely no need to do that other than being a bitch.

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I think Phoebe was nice the first couple of seasons. Can't say exactly where it changed. But, then she's awful. She punched Mike's dad, refused to speak to Ross even though she had no idea why she was mad at him, tried to steal the old lady's winnings at the casino, told Monica that she and Chandler were going to break up, took it upon herself to break up with Mike's girlfrienda complete stranger to her (although that's more on Mike, but still), pretended to be Ben's mom to meet Sting, stole a badge and pretended to be a cop.

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Made everyone turn against Ross when he pointed out that a little girl was missing her cat purely so that Phoebe could be kooky and pretend her mother was in the damn cat.

The more examples, the more I dislike her.

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I refuse to watch that episode again because it's so ridiculous.

"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children

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Gives money to charity and then takes it back, acts like a prima donna when she's an extra, and brings baby rats to Monica's place and loses one.

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1. Ross
2. Chandler
3. Monica
4. Joey
5. Phoebe
6. Rachel

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1 - Chandler
2 - Monica
3 - Ross
4 - Rachel/Joey
6 - Phoebe


Funnily, this is not the order of my 'favourite' characters.

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sierra17 wrote:

She doesn't exactly do anything wonderful to help anyone or anything like that but she doesn't do anything bad.
WOW

Rachel systematically leads Ross on, but never gets back with him, for seven years. Rachel is only interested in Ross when he is with another woman, and when he has dumped the other woman to be with Rachel, she is not interested anymore.

The Bonnie episode is a particularly nasty example. Rachel gets Ross to dump Bonnie, but then sets conditions that she knows that Ross will never agree to.

While Ross is trying to get back with Emily, Rachel tells him that she still loves him I know she took it back immediately but she didn't deny it. So, does Rachel get back with the man that she says she loves when Emily is out of the picture. I don't think so.

She never ends the relationship with Ross finally. She always leaves Ross a little hope, and that keeps him from getting on with his life. For seven years.

The technical term is "irregular reinforcement." It is very difficult to deal with for both people and pigeons.

If you don't see that as something bad, you live in a completely different moral universe than I do. In my experience even women who aren't very nice understand that they can't do that.


She's just natural person.
No natural person systematically leads someone on when they know that they're not going to get involved with them in the foreseeable future. Only a psychopath does that.

If you do not understand that that is what Rachel is doing, you should think back over the series. Rachel does not want to be permanently involved with anyone now, but she thinks that she may want Ross when she is ready to settle down, and she wants him to be available if that happens.

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I can definitely see your point here. And have to agree with you with the Emily things. No she shouldn't have told him she loved him while he was trying to get his marriage to work.

But the rest I don't agree on. While I'm not claiming she didn't lead him on but I can understand it. She loved Ross but he majorly hurt her.

So with the Bonnie issue she was like "hey let's see if we can work this out" and with that she work out how she felt and everything. Now if Ross was honest about
falling asleep and say he'll read on the way home, it could've been a different issue. They could've talked it over more. And Ross could say it was 75% his fault they broke.up and blah blah.

Also I don't think Rachel leads him on through out the whole series. Maybe the first three to four season they have their relationship issues and everything but the series really does move from it until the they bring them back near the very end.

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sierra17 wrote:

She loved Ross but he majorly hurt her.
If Rachel had loved Ross, she would've gotten over the Chloe episode in a couple of weeks. That is what would happen in real life. Ross never cheated on her. Rachel knows that. She knows that they were broken up, and she describes that as a technicality. She knows that he thought she was sleeping with Mark when it happened.

No one would let into their apartment exactly the person that their boyfriend is jealous about right after a fight about that person if they want to keep the relationship with their boyfriend. No one. Ross came to the conclusion that essentially everyone would come to.

Sure, she was hurt, but she's also a sexually very experienced woman, and she understands that sometimes sex is just sex. She had sex with Barry when he was engaged to her best friend. She jumped in bed with Paolo the first night that she met him.

It is not as if Ross was the only man she had ever slept with.

She says that she does not want to imagine Ross with Chloe, but she does not have any trouble imagining herself with Mark and tormenting Ross with it.

When two people who want to be together almost break up permanently, it usually scares them into being very forgiving and very accommodating. That is not what happens here. Rachel wanted to break up with Ross and she did not want to get back together with him.


While I'm not claiming she didn't lead him on but I can understand it.
You can understand why Rachel made Ross's life miserable for seven years because of something that was mostly Rachel's fault? A normal person would either get back with Ross, or end the relationship for good. Rachel does neither.


So with the Bonnie issue she was like "hey let's see if we can work this out"
Nope. She wanted to get rid of Bonnie but not get back together with Ross.


Now if Ross was honest about falling asleep and say he'll read on the way home, it could've been a different issue.
Not at all. Rachel says something to the effect of, "If you even have to think about it. . . " She wasn't going to compromise because she did not really want to get back with Ross.


They could've talked it over more.
Ross agreed to the letter, and he decided to not correct Rachel's misunderstanding. But that wasn't the end of it. Rachel was the one who brought it up and poked at him while berating him over it until he broke.


Also I don't think Rachel leads him on through out the whole series.
It is not as gross after Emily, but it is still there. Rachel never definitively ends the relationship. She initiates sex with Ross three times. She tells Ross that sex is never off the table. He resists her two of those times and she gets pregnant the other time.

She also initiated their getting married once.

Ross is hooked and Rachel knows it. She does not have to do a lot; all she has to do is leave Ross a little hope. And that is precisely what she does.

That is a stinking thing to do.

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I think we are just going to disagree here.

Where you think them breaking up was mostly Rachel fault, I see it as Ross's.

And I don't think everyone could get over someone sleeping with someone when they thought they were still together in two weeks. I couldn't. I see myself behaving like Rachel if the person I loved did that to me. I might suggest theory but that's the only difference.


To me "we were on break" isn't broken up. It isn't an opportunity to go sleep with random people.

But anyway we aren't going to agree. But interesting to see how the other side of the fandom thinks about their whole relationship.

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sierra17 wrote:

I think we are just going to disagree here.
I think so.


Where you think them breaking up was mostly Rachel fault, I see it as Ross's.
I am convinced that Rachel wants to break up with Ross. I am convinced the reason that she does not get back with Ross for seven years is that she doesn't want to be involved with anyone at that point.

I believe this is a common situation. One person wants to settle down and the other one doesn't, and I sympathize with Rachel's position except that she is never honest about what is going on.

I would point out that Rachel never makes any serious effort to reassure Ross about Mark. She never says any of the obvious things that any normal person would say if they wanted to keep their relationship. That does not escape Ross's notice.

Rachel is acting through all of the Mark episode as if she does not care about her relationship with Ross. Of course Ross notices.

From the point of view of a woman who wants to settle down, Ross is a dream. But from the point of view of a woman who doesn't want to settle down at that point, loyal, faithful Ross is a nightmare.

If your behavior led your boyfriend to quite reasonably conclude that you are cheating on him, and he went to bed with another woman in a state of despair and depression and alcohol, how would you react? How would you react if you really wanted to be with him?

Because that is what happened here. Ross did not go looking for sex, but in his state, he did not have the energy to ward off Chloe who was being very aggressive. Nor any reason to do so since his relationship with Rachel was completely dead. She was with another man.


And I don't think everyone could get over someone sleeping with someone when they thought they were still together in two weeks.
No, not everyone, but under the circumstances most sexually experienced people would if they loved the other person and wanted to be with them. I understand that Rachel was hurt, but Ross did not cheat on her, and she acknowledged that. Rachel understands that Ross thinks that she is having sex with Mark and Rachel has an understanding of his mental state. But she just doesn't care.

Rachel never uses the word "cheat" or "cheater" to describe Ross's behavior in that episode. She quotes her mother using it, but she doesn't say it herself, because she knows that they were broken up.

Rachel describes being broken up as a "technicality." (That is pure "Rachel.")


To me "we were on break" isn't broken up. It isn't an opportunity to go sleep with random people.
I agree with you, but they weren't on a break. They were broken up. They both acknowledged that. That is a question of fact, not of opinion or judgment.

Ross did not end up in bed with Chloe because he thought they were on a break. He ended up in bed with Chloe because he concluded, as essentially everyone would, that Rachel was sleeping with Mark when Mark was in her apartment right after the fight.

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You make a really interesting point of if a women doesn't want to settle down Ross would be a nightmare.

Which is clearly what first drifts them apart. Rachel was enjoying her new career and the new things it was bringing into her life. Ross didn't like this and so she tried to hold on tighter. Which only drove her to drifter farer. Really both if their faults. Reminds me a lot Dean and Rory in Gilmore Girls if yiu watch that.

Maybe Rachel didn't even know what she really wanted. It was probably complicated for her. She truly loved him but she didn't want marriage yet. Even when Emma came along she wasn't ready.

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sierra17 wrote:

You make a really interesting point of if a women doesn't want to settle down Ross would be a nightmare.
Ross is so devoted and so faithful that the longer that Rachel stays with him, the harder it will be to break up. Ross is not going to give her very many opportunities to break up that she can plausibly blame on Ross. That is important to her if she thinks that she may want to get back with him later.

When Rachel gets the job, for the very first time she has an alternative to marriage. She likes the job. She is good at it and she wants to see what she can do with it. Fine so far.


Which is clearly what first drifts them apart.
Not from Ross's point of view. For Ross, this is all about Mark. If Mark hadn't been in the picture, or Rachel had reassured him about Mark, he would've adapted to her having a job and being more independent. Ross would do anything to keep Rachel. His fear is that she will leave him for Mark. That he cannot adjust to.


Rachel was enjoying her new career and the new things it was bringing into her life. Ross didn't like this and so she tried to hold on tighter.
Ross wasn't happy about it, but if had only been the career, he would've adjusted. As he looks at the situation, the obvious explanation for Rachel's behavior is Mark. Rachel won't talk about Mark. Rachel is very defensive every time Mark is mentioned. He would have to be in denial to say, "Oh, she isn't interested in Mark. She just interested in her job."

Rachel has never shown any interest in a career before. She has done nothing to prepare herself for one. Rachel has not been applying to job after job after job in the previous year. And suddenly Rachel is wildly enthusiastic about what is basically a boring entry-level job. We can understand why that is the case, but how is Ross to know that with Rachel not reassuring him about Mark?


Maybe Rachel didn't even know what she really wanted.
I have no idea how much of this was conscious in Rachel's mind. She is very unintrospective. (So is Ross.)

I do believe that the desire to break up with Ross, whether it was unconscious, preconscious, partially conscious, whatever, affected the way that she acted. It led her to not reassure Ross about Mark. It led her to let Mark into her apartment when no one would.

The bottom line is that Rachel does not want to keep the relationship with Ross, and so she does all sorts of things that no one would do if they did want to keep the relationship. Ross sees that their relationship does not seem to be important to Rachel and he assumes, quite reasonably, that it is Mark. He is the most logical and reasonable explanation for Rachel's behavior.


It was probably complicated for her.
Of course. It is for a lot of people.


She truly loved him
Rachel causes Ross an immense amount of pain over seven years. I don't see how you can call that "truly loving him." I reject a definition of love that allows someone to keep a person free of attachments for seven years because they love them so much that they want the person to be available when they decide to settle down.


but she didn't want marriage yet.
I believe this situation comes up with some regularity, but usually the people are honest about it.

Rachel's solution was to keep Ross from forming another permanent attachment until she was ready for marriage. That is not what a normal person does.

I believe we probably will end up not agreeing about a lot of things, but this is going vastly better than it usually does, and I am enjoying it.

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If Rachel had loved Ross, she would've gotten over the Chloe episode in a couple of weeks.


Unfair statement. Maybe it was cheating, maybe it wasn't. But, either way, she doesn't have to get over it. She doesn't have to get back with him if that eroded her trust forever. She does have to fully let him go instead of the back and forth stuff. But, you don't get to say what other people have to find acceptable in a relationship.

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KaitlinMMM wrote:

Maybe it was cheating, maybe it wasn't.
Well, Rachel never accuses Ross of cheating using that word, so it seems she knows it wasn't.

She is very pissed, but she knows that it was not cheating because they were broken up.

Ross never knowingly cheated on Rachel, and I don't see how anyone can argue with that.


But, either way, she doesn't have to get over it.
Of course she doesn't, but as I think we agree, she should either get back with him or let him go and she doesn't do either. For seven years.


But, you don't get to say what other people have to find acceptable in a relationship.
Could you please copy and paste where I said anything like that?

What I have said is that, based on my experience, in the real world, when two sexually experienced people really want to be with each other, they will typically, usually, much more often than not, rather quickly get over this sort of problem. In weeks not years.

The condition is that they really want to be together, and that they have some perspective on sex. If they don't really want to be together, no, they probably won't get over it

Rachel knows that Ross thought she was having sex with Mark at that very moment when he bedded Chloe. And that Rachel was leaving him for Mark. Rachel declines to take that into account.

Again, in my experience, in the real world, when two people really want to be together, and something happens that threatens to end their relationship forever, it tends to scare the hell out of them and they tend to be extremely compromising and extremely forgiving. That does not happen here, and I conclude that Rachel does not want to be with Ross. She just keeps him from getting involved with anyone else.

If you used to be KatyMM, it is nice to run into you again.

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If you used to be KatyMM, it is nice to run into you again.


You caught me:)

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Monica/Chandler. They're both very good people and they do everything to help their friends/family. Chandler took care of Joey throughout the show and supported him financially/emotionally. Monica let Rachel move in with her when they hadn't spoken in years.

Ross/Rachel.

Joey/Phoebe. Joey basically used Chandler and treated him pretty badly for a friend. Phoebe was very rude in the later seasons and went out of her way to mock some of her best friends. She was absolutely awful to Chandler.

"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children

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Random questionwhere is your signature from? I see you all around IMDB and I always wonder

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Pretty Little Liars :)

"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children

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1.) Phoebe has the best intentions. She's terribly blunt, but she doesn't do it to hurt people, it's just socially awkward honesty.

2.) Joey is very soft-hearted. Sex-crazed, yes, but soft-hearted.

3.) Ross has sentimental moments, and hates to hurt anyone.

4/5.) Chandler and Monica, in some ways, are almost the same. Their first instinct is self-preservation, their second is to not want to have to feel bad, but neither is particularly self-sacrificing. I can't decide between them.

6.) Rachel is kind of awful. She's cute, and it's a good thing, or she'd be in the trunk of someone's car by now.

As someone else said, this is not my order of favorites. My order of favorites is:

1.) Chandler
2.) Joey
3.) The rest of them.

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Out of curiosity why do you think being blunt is bad?

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Oh, it's just that sometimes she hurts people's feelings telling them truths that don't help. I mean, if someone tells you something is wrong, and you can correct it, great. But if it's something you can't do anything about, then it's just kind of needless pain.

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best is everyone but monica

she is a horrid awful person

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Characters as PEOPLE
GUNTHER
CHANDLER
JOEY
MONICA
ROSS
PHOEBE
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A PILE OF DOG POOP
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RACHEL

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TheHiggsBROsson wrote:

A PILE OF DOG POOP
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RACHEL
LOL

I emphatically agree with you about Rachel.

I would put Joey somewhere between Rachel and dog poop.

I'm not sure why you like Gunther. Telling Rachel about Chloe stank.

After a rough start, Chandler turns out to be the hero, and his relationship with Monica is great.

Ross is a really nice guy. He's the sort of person that I would want my daughter or my sister to marry. Because of Rachel's machinations, he is put in a situation in which almost no one comes off well. In particular, she won't get back with Ross, but she always leaves him with little hope and that keeps them from getting on with his life. The technical term is "irregular reinforcement."

If Ross had chosen Julie or Emily, he would appear quite different.

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Monica and Chandler I would put in front.

Ross would be next, followed by Rachel.

And Joey and Phoebe were the awful ones. People already gave examples on Phoebe. But Joey is a complete womanizer, who has no respect for women that aren't his friends, or family. But he acts like a hypocrite and demands guys treat his women with respect while lying to, and dumping everyone else's friends, and relatives. Then he's been shown to give out fake names to the women he sleeps with -Ken Adams. Eats his date's food when they go out, but acts like child if they do the same to him.

Then there's his constant mooching off of Chandler. And always needing Chandler to degrade himself before he can accept an apology. Like the Vegas episode. Chandler just tells the truth by saying he doesn't think Joey's movie is gonna be big. Joey then throws him out of a car on the bridge, then throws all of his clothes on the street. And even after his movie was cancelled he was still snubbing Chandler. Always putting down Chandler about his lack of success with women.

Joey was a decent friend to the girls. To Ross and Chandler, he was an arrogant show-off who thought he was better than both of them. But he treats Chandler worse than he does Ross.

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