Deep Throat : you can see her bruises
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Anyone can edit Wikipedia at anytime. What a stupid thing to say.
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Well the rumor is that she was forced at gun point by her then husband to make the movie.
Do you always get so lost watching movies, that you have to ask others
Do you always get so lost watching movies, that you have to ask others
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That's the rumor that she started after she retired from adult films and from her short Hollywood career.
Read "The Other Hollywood, the oral history of the adult film industry." The crew and other actors during the filming of "Deep Throat" say that no coercion (and definitely no gun) was used.
"Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
Read "The Other Hollywood, the oral history of the adult film industry." The crew and other actors during the filming of "Deep Throat" say that no coercion (and definitely no gun) was used.
"Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
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Of course they will say that there was no gun or that she was forced, other wise they will be up on charges.
Do you always get so lost watching movies, that you have to ask others
Do you always get so lost watching movies, that you have to ask others
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Even by her account, the crew and cast had nothing to do with her performance or whether her husband forced her to perform. So they wouldn't be up on any charges in any case. And all their statements clearly show that she was a willing participant.
They certainly wouldn't chance a conspiracy or rape charge for the few measly dollars they each got for participating in a porn shoot.
Just look at the evidence, that's all. Lovelace certainly told lies to try to salvage her reputation in the short period that she was a semi-celebrity in Hollywood, but they weren't believable.
The police and the feds were desperate to find something to charge the Deep Throat people with. They would have loved to charge somebody who forced Lovelace to be in the film, but they couldn't. Because there was no force.
"Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
They certainly wouldn't chance a conspiracy or rape charge for the few measly dollars they each got for participating in a porn shoot.
Just look at the evidence, that's all. Lovelace certainly told lies to try to salvage her reputation in the short period that she was a semi-celebrity in Hollywood, but they weren't believable.
The police and the feds were desperate to find something to charge the Deep Throat people with. They would have loved to charge somebody who forced Lovelace to be in the film, but they couldn't. Because there was no force.
"Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
Re: you can see her bruises but ignore her obvious lies
No force?! How would you know? Explain to me how people who have been kidnapped stay with their captors even though they are not physically forced to? Haven't you ever heard of psychology? Or do you really think she enjoyed making those movies and getting paid squat?
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Boohoo another bimbo cries about her tragic life in the world of porn. MY GOD!!! She writes about many "situations" in her book, yet I am guessing she makes these claims because no one is going to read a book about a woman that embrace the porn industry.
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Exactly. Porn actresses get bruises on their legs all the time from sex, so do normal women. It's a part of life. Heck, some people even bruise easily, and as stated earlier she was fair skinned and it probably made it easier to see the bruises as well.
As for good ole wikipedia People like us are the ones that contribute to it. I can totally go in and make up whatever I want and post it to the site and as long as no one disputes it, it's fact as far as the readers are concerned. Most schools do not allow the use of wikipedia as a reference because there is no way to verify the author's claims.
As for good ole wikipedia People like us are the ones that contribute to it. I can totally go in and make up whatever I want and post it to the site and as long as no one disputes it, it's fact as far as the readers are concerned. Most schools do not allow the use of wikipedia as a reference because there is no way to verify the author's claims.
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Well, she was busted for cocaine and amphetamines in 1974, and eventually had a liver transplant, probably from years of alcohol abuse. And you're surprised she has bruises? People who are wasted all the time tend to get a lot of bruises - and worse. Also people who spend their life drunk and high on drugs tend to imagine a lot of things that never happenedand fill in the blanks about what they want to think happened during their blackouts. Good grief.
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Your girlfriend must be so proud of your outlooks on women, matt.
The gene pool could use a little chlorine
The gene pool could use a little chlorine
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Wikipedia itself is very prone to manipulation, but everything that's controversial is required to be sourced. Even if someone misrepresents the sources, anyone else can go and look up what's there and post a correction. If the issue is controversial it's likely to be fixed quickly.
Many schools don't allow Wikipedia, but it's not because of verifiability again, sources are required but because it's an encyclopedic source, not a primary or secondary source. Another reason is that a fair number of teachers (and to a greater extent administrators, who tend to be older) were educated before online information resources were widely available, and distrust it out of unfamiliarity or discomfort with resources that didn't exist when they were in school.
Many schools don't allow Wikipedia, but it's not because of verifiability again, sources are required but because it's an encyclopedic source, not a primary or secondary source. Another reason is that a fair number of teachers (and to a greater extent administrators, who tend to be older) were educated before online information resources were widely available, and distrust it out of unfamiliarity or discomfort with resources that didn't exist when they were in school.
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She's also claimed that her husband hypnotized her into doing things that she didn't want to do. Hypnosis as mind control is a myth, a parlor trick. It only works like that in the movies. Her husband was abusive and controlling and she was a drug addict. Doesn't mean that he and the whole film crew was forcing her to perform at gun point. When she wanted to renounce her past and get paid for denouncing pornography (her 2 anti-porn books and speaking engagements for which she was paid) saying that she was hypnotized and forced to do things at gun point (although if she was hypnotized than why did he need the gun) sounds better than being a codependent junkie who wouldn't leave an abusive husband who got her whatever drug fixes she wanted.
Re: you can see her bruises
yada yada ya.
the bruises could be from ANYTHING.
did she have sensitive subdermal tissue that bruised easily if she bumped into the
arm of a chair?
so what she had bruises, billions of people got bruises and sometimes depending
on skin and muscle type they last a long time.
do some research.
"google it if you dont think so ."
the bruises could be from ANYTHING.
did she have sensitive subdermal tissue that bruised easily if she bumped into the
arm of a chair?
so what she had bruises, billions of people got bruises and sometimes depending
on skin and muscle type they last a long time.
do some research.
"google it if you dont think so ."
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I saw an interview with her on Pebblemill - a UK tv daytime show a few years back. I distictly remember her saying that she was threatened with a machete by her husband. Later it seems she prefered to say it was a shotgun.
I also saw an interview in which a crew member said that the husband was not
on the set during filming because she performed better without him watching. He said that they found a reason to send him to town on an errand to get him off set.
I suspect that if she had received even a small percentage of the gross takings
of this film she would not have been so bitter.
I also saw an interview in which a crew member said that the husband was not
on the set during filming because she performed better without him watching. He said that they found a reason to send him to town on an errand to get him off set.
I suspect that if she had received even a small percentage of the gross takings
of this film she would not have been so bitter.
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Blah blah blah..
"When someone is in such a bad situation where
the one person that seems to care for them is their boyfriend they
can be persuaded to do the strangest, self destructive things, often
under threat of being made out an evil person to family and friend
which they are forced to leave behind, or threatened the boyfriend
himself, who will make himself out to be the only one person who
'truly' loves them, will leave."
So your point comes down to feeling sorry for gullible and stupid people who do have choices, but choose not to use them? Yes, that should really be a top priority for everybody today.
"When someone is in such a bad situation where
the one person that seems to care for them is their boyfriend they
can be persuaded to do the strangest, self destructive things, often
under threat of being made out an evil person to family and friend
which they are forced to leave behind, or threatened the boyfriend
himself, who will make himself out to be the only one person who
'truly' loves them, will leave."
So your point comes down to feeling sorry for gullible and stupid people who do have choices, but choose not to use them? Yes, that should really be a top priority for everybody today.
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i have to say that i am shocked by the majority of what i read here on those pages. most of u people are either ignorant and have no idea AT ALL about human interactions in real world, the reality of the world- sociologically and psychologically.
i read on many posts "some ppl are skinny and so they bruise easily" Are you an idiot whoever you are that wrote that? or did you watch the movie and you have to persuade yourself that she was not abused not to feel guilty for watching it and paying this exhusband of hers? what is it? i mean OMG if i read another one of those.. are u so young, or disconnected from the world, and dont read too much?
because the porn industry is so known for respecting and admiring women.. ??? (sarcasm)
the poor woman was physically, sexually and mentally abused by her then husband and other men. she is a victim. her husband prostituted her, beat her, raped her, and verbally abused her. she was forced by him to have sex with several men at once who both vaginally and anally raped her. she was probably verbally abused in ways you cannot imagine. she has one of the saddest stories i heard of, and u have the idiotic urge to say the most ignorant driven things such as "skinny ppl bruise easily" ????? "people get bruises from sex" ???
normally, if you watch movies with a theme of an abusive husband (e.g. "enough") you support the protagonist- the abused woman/wife, you understand her, cheer her on, want her to get away from the abusive husband, you even endorse her often illegal attempts to kick his ass off but it happens in real life in a porn industry and u can blur out "skinny ppl get bruises easily." somehow, if it happens in real life and you are somehow famous no matter what you it will always be interpreted as doing it for more fame ? because nothing bad ever happens to famous ppl??
Per year in the US there is about 354670 women being raped- and that is an official number. Much more happen and do not go on record. how big of a possibility there is that a woman in a porn industry with an abusive husband is raped by him and coerced into sex with otehrs?
and for the ignorant of you who do not bother to do any research, and who apparently do not know anything about human -relationships there is something called "stockholm syndrome", you can research it a bit and u'll understand why she stayed with him as long as she did. in fact from the psychological point of view, one can only applaud her for doing it eventually for too few abused women do (meaning many women eventually do, but on the grand scale that it happens there are still many who do not, some of them die at the hands of their husbands, and others die slowly at the hands of their husbands)
i did not watch this movie and i do not intend to. i think it is stupid of you who do and even if you are not sure if what she said is true how can you without vomiting and clear concience watch this movie knowing that there is even a tiny possibility it is a rape you are watching of a woman destroyed, stripped of dignity? that you are paying - actually giving money to- a man who probably beat, raped and coerced her and many other women, possibly even a child molestor (men who are consistently abusive to women, often are so disregardfull of age, meaning often they abuse very young girls).
there is porn - and there is rape snuff.
i read on many posts "some ppl are skinny and so they bruise easily" Are you an idiot whoever you are that wrote that? or did you watch the movie and you have to persuade yourself that she was not abused not to feel guilty for watching it and paying this exhusband of hers? what is it? i mean OMG if i read another one of those.. are u so young, or disconnected from the world, and dont read too much?
because the porn industry is so known for respecting and admiring women.. ??? (sarcasm)
the poor woman was physically, sexually and mentally abused by her then husband and other men. she is a victim. her husband prostituted her, beat her, raped her, and verbally abused her. she was forced by him to have sex with several men at once who both vaginally and anally raped her. she was probably verbally abused in ways you cannot imagine. she has one of the saddest stories i heard of, and u have the idiotic urge to say the most ignorant driven things such as "skinny ppl bruise easily" ????? "people get bruises from sex" ???
normally, if you watch movies with a theme of an abusive husband (e.g. "enough") you support the protagonist- the abused woman/wife, you understand her, cheer her on, want her to get away from the abusive husband, you even endorse her often illegal attempts to kick his ass off but it happens in real life in a porn industry and u can blur out "skinny ppl get bruises easily." somehow, if it happens in real life and you are somehow famous no matter what you it will always be interpreted as doing it for more fame ? because nothing bad ever happens to famous ppl??
Per year in the US there is about 354670 women being raped- and that is an official number. Much more happen and do not go on record. how big of a possibility there is that a woman in a porn industry with an abusive husband is raped by him and coerced into sex with otehrs?
and for the ignorant of you who do not bother to do any research, and who apparently do not know anything about human -relationships there is something called "stockholm syndrome", you can research it a bit and u'll understand why she stayed with him as long as she did. in fact from the psychological point of view, one can only applaud her for doing it eventually for too few abused women do (meaning many women eventually do, but on the grand scale that it happens there are still many who do not, some of them die at the hands of their husbands, and others die slowly at the hands of their husbands)
i did not watch this movie and i do not intend to. i think it is stupid of you who do and even if you are not sure if what she said is true how can you without vomiting and clear concience watch this movie knowing that there is even a tiny possibility it is a rape you are watching of a woman destroyed, stripped of dignity? that you are paying - actually giving money to- a man who probably beat, raped and coerced her and many other women, possibly even a child molestor (men who are consistently abusive to women, often are so disregardfull of age, meaning often they abuse very young girls).
there is porn - and there is rape snuff.
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Magezia, some people are just plain stupid or they are so happy with their perfect lives that they think everything is easy. It's always so easy to get out of any bad situation that those who don't are merely 'stupid'. (sarcasm).
These people have never been in such situations and they just childishly think, oh she could have just run away. Well you pretty much explained it all to the moron and hope you put some sense into his/her head though I doubt that the idiot got the point.
These people have never been in such situations and they just childishly think, oh she could have just run away. Well you pretty much explained it all to the moron and hope you put some sense into his/her head though I doubt that the idiot got the point.
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What's just plain stupid is taking the book Ordeal as completely factual.
"These people have never been in such situations and they just childishly think, oh she could have just run away."
LOL. Well if you want to indeed believe in Ordeal as the entire truth, that's what she ended up doing. So what's your point?
"These people have never been in such situations and they just childishly think, oh she could have just run away."
LOL. Well if you want to indeed believe in Ordeal as the entire truth, that's what she ended up doing. So what's your point?
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I'm not confirming that the book is true but there is a chance that it is and people here are judging her just because she was a porn star. If it was a nun who wrote a book about a traumatic experience, everyone would believe that.
Also someone even bothered to make a childish comment by saying something on the lines of: oh she's anorexic so she bruises easy.
Also someone even bothered to make a childish comment by saying something on the lines of: oh she's anorexic so she bruises easy.
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"I'm not confirming that the book is true but there is a chance that it is and people here are judging her just because she was a porn star. If it was a nun who wrote a book about a traumatic experience, everyone would believe that."
Well I'm judging her words in contrast to what many other people have said who were around her back then, and it doesn't jibe. If a nun indeed made allegations yet many of them were contradicted by parishoners and fellow nuns, depending on what they had to say it might be dubious.
"Also someone even bothered to make a childish comment by saying something on the lines of: oh she's anorexic so she bruises easy."
The comment, though I didn't make it, was just speculative because as I said many things in Lovelace's accounts didn't add up. I think she was likely in an abusive relationship, but that she didn't object to the treatment until close to the end, probably because she didn't know any better. And to make preachy statements about why people aren't supposed to enjoy a movie like Deep Throat because of that is going too far.
Well I'm judging her words in contrast to what many other people have said who were around her back then, and it doesn't jibe. If a nun indeed made allegations yet many of them were contradicted by parishoners and fellow nuns, depending on what they had to say it might be dubious.
"Also someone even bothered to make a childish comment by saying something on the lines of: oh she's anorexic so she bruises easy."
The comment, though I didn't make it, was just speculative because as I said many things in Lovelace's accounts didn't add up. I think she was likely in an abusive relationship, but that she didn't object to the treatment until close to the end, probably because she didn't know any better. And to make preachy statements about why people aren't supposed to enjoy a movie like Deep Throat because of that is going too far.
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"And to make preachy statements about why people aren't supposed to enjoy a movie like Deep Throat because of that is going too far."
So, it might be okay to enjoy rape snuff (if it is that)?
So, it might be okay to enjoy rape snuff (if it is that)?
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This is hopefully the dumbest thing you've ever written, because it is very dumb.
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Who can really say what happened to her on the set of this movie
She can. And she did.
Pathetic to see men trying to deny this kind of thing.
"The Love you take is equal to the Love you make" The Beatles.
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Just look how the woman who came out with their accounts of being sexually abused were treated by the Clintons and the press disgusting.
It looks like Bill Cosby is going to be taken to task but not the former president. What
a strange world we live in. Maybe I should say 'corrupt world'.
In any case, Linda is gone. If her story was true, she lived hell on earth.
People who are addicted to porn, alcohol/drugs, gambling etc have no idea the hell people are forced to go through keeping these 'business' alive.
I'd like to re-write Lennon's "Imagine".
It looks like Bill Cosby is going to be taken to task but not the former president. What
a strange world we live in. Maybe I should say 'corrupt world'.
In any case, Linda is gone. If her story was true, she lived hell on earth.
People who are addicted to porn, alcohol/drugs, gambling etc have no idea the hell people are forced to go through keeping these 'business' alive.
I'd like to re-write Lennon's "Imagine".
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Almost all of the Clinton "accusers" have been shown to be liars.
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She did and she contradicts herself at every turn. Nobody here is saying that she wasn't in an abusive relationship. But she either remembered some things wrong, or she just blatantly lied about some aspects of the whole thing.
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"Whoever watches Deep Throat, is watching me being raped. I had a gun pointed to my head the whole time. It's a crime that the movie is still showing.'
I don't know, she contradicted herself so many times that you don't know what to believe anymore.
I don't know, she contradicted herself so many times that you don't know what to believe anymore.
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