A Girl Like Me: The Gwen Araujo Story : Isn't the penis inside an inside-out penis?

From my understanding of male-to-female sex reassignment surgery, the skin of the penis is turned inside out to form the vagina. Doesn't that mean that when a guy has intercourse with a transwoman, his penis is inside an inside-out penis? The shaft of his penis is in full skin-to-skin contact with the former penis of his partner. Wow I can't think of any way two penises can be in closer contact. Two gay men can't do anything even remotely close to this.

Do you realize that a vagina is merely an underdeveloped penis to begin with?


Also 2 gay men CAN have close penis contact. There are gay men who have sex in other ways other than anal intercourse, one method is rubbing the penises together.

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That is incorrect. The female homologue of the penis is the clitoris and the male homologue of the vagina is the prostatic utricle. Undifferentiated embryonic organs become one or the other due to hormone exposure.

When two men rub their penises together, it is impossible for the ENTIRE surfaces of both penises to be in contact at the same time. At most, you end up with one side (say, the bottom side of my penis is rubbing on the top side of another dude's). However, with a MtF transsexual, the entire skin of the former penis is in contact with the entire surface of a penis.

All fetuses start as FEMALE, if the fetus is to be male, the vagina will develop into a penis, ovaries become testicles, so yes it is correct to say a penis is an "overdeveloped vagina" OR a vagina is an "under developed penis". This stuck with me, b/c I remember our biology teacher saying this and everyone was like, "HUH?!?!" And it shocked everyone when she told us EVERYONE starts as FEMALE.

But anyway all that is irrelevant, things like one's penis, vagina, clitoris, etcrefer to one's SEX, which is not related to ones GENDER, Gender is one's inner personhood and BEING as a male or female, it is determined by the brain.

So for this reason I don't consider a man to be gay if he's with a trans woman, for 1. he's with someone who LOOKS like woman, and 2 if the trans woman is post op. he is having sex with something that looks like a VAGINA, works like a vagina and IS a vagina for all practical purposes, yes technically it may be an altered penis.but so what? In a practical sense it is a vagina. A brunette woman who colors her hair blonde will always technically be a brunette but in a PRACTICAL, everyday sense she is identified as a blonde in every way that's USEFUL. Technically one COULD say, "Well isn't she REALLY just still a brunette with color on her hair?" Of course she is, but SO WHAT? lol I have no problem identifying her as a blonde in daily life. I don't see any difference here.


AGAIN I don't see what the relevance of the question is, SO WHAT if a man is penetrating something that was once a penis ~which was once a VAGINA itself before it developed into a penis~ Or if 2 men rubbing their penises together can have FULL contact or not. I meanSO WHAT? What is the relevance? That it makes a man GAY b/c he's penetrating something that was once a penis?

I want to tell you there is more to being gay, straight, lesbian, etcthan just GENITALS, there is the WHOLE PERSON, their being, personhood, personality, GENDER, etc For this reason a lesbian would not be considered straight b/c she likes to use a dildo ~though many ppl use that argument~ A dildo is NOT a man! It has no male personality, no male personhood, no male being, it has no beard, mustache, etc it's merely a replica of one part of the male anatomy.


I'm a MTF trans woman and I'm attracted to WOMEN, I identify as lesbian, I have a girlfriend and she has a lesbian relationship with me and tells me she totally sees me and relates to me as a woman. Of course there are those who tell her she's NOT a TRUE lesbian since she's with me, and she and I find this ridiculous! If that were the case, straight men should be dating FTM trans men b/c they were born with a vagina, never mind they LOOK LIKE MEN with beards, mustaches etc, straight women should be willing to date MTF trans women ~like Gwen and I~ since we were born with a penisI know I've never havd much luck with straight women.OR gay men.


So I just really dunno what you're getting at here.

I just ask, please do NOT argue these things with ppl who are actually IN the trans community, if YOU are not in that community. It's OK if you have question and are asking for knowledge, but don't contradict us when we tell you something b/c chances are we know a little more about this subject than YOU do.

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You're not entirely correct, and I don't understand why you are making assumptions about me.

The penis grows from what would have been the clitoris, not the vagina.

Finally, I WANT to have sex with a MTF transwoman. The idea of being with a woman who has a vagina that was once a penis, and having my penis wrapped completely by this penis skin is just super erotic to me. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes I know, I'm just saying GENERALLY the female anatomy develops into male anatomy. Whether you're talking vagina or clitoris, it's roughly the same "stuff".


"Finally, I WANT to have sex with a MTF transwoman. The idea of being with a woman who has a vagina that was once a penis, and having my penis wrapped completely by this penis skin is just super erotic to me. Nothing wrong with that."


If you're open to dating trans women that is GREAT! The only thing is just please try not to be a chaser. That is typically a turn off to trans ppl in general.

If you don't know what a chaser is, it's someone who wants to be with us MAINLY b/c we have ~or have had~ a penis.

I've had my share of those, men will show an interest in me and are OBSSESED with my penis, and are only turned on b/c I look like a woman but have ~or have had a penis~ and that's all the can fixate on.


I just ask that you please treat a trans woman like you would ANY OTHER woman, be a gentleman to her, buy her flowers, etc. and like her for her WHOLE BEING as a female, and not just b/c of her anatomy.

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I apologize if I offended you in any way. To be honest, I actually did not even know there were "chasers" of MTF transwomen, but it doesn't surprise me that they exist and that you've encountered them.

I have never dated a woman I've known to be transgendered, but if I did, I'd definitely be attracted to her entire being as a female her personality, her looks, our relationship and I would treat her as one because she IS one. What I said about my penis being inside a vagina-made-from-penis-skin is just a "bonus" that would arise from such a relationship.

If you don't mind me asking, were they chasers you've encountered bisexual? Why are they interested in your penis? How much time elapsed between starting your hormone treatment and your SRS? Did you date a lot of men in that time?