Hidden Figures : OT: Am I White?
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So, am I white?
A frighteningly real and simple answer.
"Whiteness" is not a real thing. It is an a imaginary concept that was created out of thin air in the 1670's to be a "state of mind". In order to justify "race-based" subjugation, exploitation and genocide.
Soif you are prepared to reject and oppose all that is not "white", then yes, you are white.
Butif you are NOT prepared to do that, then you are the enemy of "whiteness". Either all in, or all out. No in-between.
So, are you?
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.
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I identify as a black female 12 year old midget. My chosen pronoun is Sith Lord. All else is just a social construct.
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You aren't white, never will be. Perhaps you should read the history of Chinese immigrants to the US late 19th century until the time their immigration was banned in the 1920s
there are fads in which groups get included in mainstream privileges…
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Braithwaite, the guy who wrote To Sir with love, later made into a movie starring Sidney Poitier, wrote another book, entitled "honorary white", a title from his Visa for South Africa, during the Apartheit era.
I think there are fads in which groups are included and discluded in the mainstream privileges.
When the Titanic sank no black people died because no black people were allowed on board, not even as crew members.
WASP reaction to the indisputable statistics that showed survivors ignored the principle of "women and children first" was to blame those volatile "Southern Europeans".
I think there are fads in which groups are included and discluded in the mainstream privileges.
When the Titanic sank no black people died because no black people were allowed on board, not even as crew members.
WASP reaction to the indisputable statistics that showed survivors ignored the principle of "women and children first" was to blame those volatile "Southern Europeans".
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@gswan
Actually,there was only one recorded black person on board the Titaniche was one of the passengers,believe it or notthere was an article about him in Ebony magazine some years ago, in which they interviewed his descendants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_Lemercier_Laroche
Actually,there was only one recorded black person on board the Titaniche was one of the passengers,believe it or notthere was an article about him in Ebony magazine some years ago, in which they interviewed his descendants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_Lemercier_Laroche
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Interesting. When I was a kid, in primary school, several fellow students gave book reviews of the maudlin and self-serving "A night to remember". But, around 1985 I bought a copy of a fascinating book by a guy named Wyn C. Wade. He devoted many of the initial chapters to the Senate investigation. Fascinating. Later chapters dealt with how the disaster affected the fight for women's suffrage, and civil rights for blacks.
Actually,there was only one recorded black person on board the Titaniche was one of the passengers,believe it or notthere was an article about him in Ebony magazine some years ago
He included the lyrics of a folk song, for black people, that voiced joy over the irony of no black deaths due to no black passengers or crew.
He included a little ditty, which I think I can partially quote from memory:
Maybe the presence of that one black guy was not known at the time?
Mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble, "Votes for Women", was the cry.
But when the time came to die, "Boats for women", was the cry.
If Wade's book is still in print, I recommend it. I loaned it to a friend of mine, and she was very surprised she too couldn't put it down, finished it in a single weekend.
Cheers!
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The short answer is that yes, generally the Southern states would have treated you like a negro. There were really not enough Asians in the South for it to matter, but I sincerely hope you aren't ignorant enough to not know about all of this already.
There WERE Jim Crow style laws in Washington state, Oregon, and California.
IN ADDITION - The entire US banned 100% of ALL asian immigration in 1924, after having already enacted a series of anti-Asian laws. Pushed almost entirely by Western state politicians.
From the first url: " In the Western U.S., the regular, cultural practice of lynching Chinese people yielded the coinage of the phrase: "Having a Chinaman's chance in Hell", meaning no chance at all. In Los Angeles, the Chinese Massacre of 1871 initiated twenty years (1870s1880s) of anti-Asian violence in the American West, which featured approximately 200 lynchings.[40] In 1880 Denver, the Yellow Peril pogrom featured a lynched Chinese man and destruction of the local Chinatown.[40] In 1885 Wyoming, the Rock Springs massacre of 28 miners destroyed the Chinese community.[41] In the Washington Territory, Yellow Peril fears realised the Attack on Squak Valley Chinese laborers, 1885; the arson of the Seattle Chinatown; and the Tacoma riot of 1885, by which local white folk expelled the Chinese community from their towns.[41] In Seattle, the Knights of Labor expelled 200 Chinese people by way of the Seattle riot of 1886. In Oregon, 34 Chinese gold-miners were ambushed, robbed, and killed in the Hells Canyon Massacre (1887). "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril#United_States
From the below link, some choice California laws.
"An 1850 California statute provided that no black, mulatto person, or Indian, shall be allowed to give evidence in favor of, or against a white man. In 1854, the Supreme Court of California held that the statute precluded persons of Chinese descent from testifying for or against a white man. It can hardly be supposed that any Legislature would . . exclud[e] domestic negroes and Indians, . . . and turn[] loose upon the community the more degraded tribes of the same species, who have nothing in common with us.
"a residential ordinance passed by the city of San Francisco that required all Chinese inhabitants to live in one area of the city. Similarly, a miscegenation law passed in 1901 broadened an 1850 law, adding that it was unlawful for white persons to marry "Mongolians"
"1879: Voter rights [Constitution] "No native of China" would ever have the right to vote in the state of California. Repealed in 1926."
Etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jim_Crow_law_examples_by_state#California
Defender of the weak, and enemy of the weak minded.
There WERE Jim Crow style laws in Washington state, Oregon, and California.
IN ADDITION - The entire US banned 100% of ALL asian immigration in 1924, after having already enacted a series of anti-Asian laws. Pushed almost entirely by Western state politicians.
From the first url: " In the Western U.S., the regular, cultural practice of lynching Chinese people yielded the coinage of the phrase: "Having a Chinaman's chance in Hell", meaning no chance at all. In Los Angeles, the Chinese Massacre of 1871 initiated twenty years (1870s1880s) of anti-Asian violence in the American West, which featured approximately 200 lynchings.[40] In 1880 Denver, the Yellow Peril pogrom featured a lynched Chinese man and destruction of the local Chinatown.[40] In 1885 Wyoming, the Rock Springs massacre of 28 miners destroyed the Chinese community.[41] In the Washington Territory, Yellow Peril fears realised the Attack on Squak Valley Chinese laborers, 1885; the arson of the Seattle Chinatown; and the Tacoma riot of 1885, by which local white folk expelled the Chinese community from their towns.[41] In Seattle, the Knights of Labor expelled 200 Chinese people by way of the Seattle riot of 1886. In Oregon, 34 Chinese gold-miners were ambushed, robbed, and killed in the Hells Canyon Massacre (1887). "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril#United_States
From the below link, some choice California laws.
"An 1850 California statute provided that no black, mulatto person, or Indian, shall be allowed to give evidence in favor of, or against a white man. In 1854, the Supreme Court of California held that the statute precluded persons of Chinese descent from testifying for or against a white man. It can hardly be supposed that any Legislature would . . exclud[e] domestic negroes and Indians, . . . and turn[] loose upon the community the more degraded tribes of the same species, who have nothing in common with us.
"a residential ordinance passed by the city of San Francisco that required all Chinese inhabitants to live in one area of the city. Similarly, a miscegenation law passed in 1901 broadened an 1850 law, adding that it was unlawful for white persons to marry "Mongolians"
"1879: Voter rights [Constitution] "No native of China" would ever have the right to vote in the state of California. Repealed in 1926."
Etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jim_Crow_law_examples_by_state#California
Defender of the weak, and enemy of the weak minded.
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You may think you're white because you are born in the U.S., but you'll always run across those who think you are not because their families have been in the U.S. more generations than yours.
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Computer Science: A+
Asian-American History: D-
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.
Asian-American History: D-
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.
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You are White in a way. Asian people are treated better than African Americans.
Back in the day that was not the case at all.
Chinatown was about being segregated and many Japanese refugees and immigrants faced discrimination after Pearl Harbor.
Today though Asians are so accepted by White people, especially White men who have yellow fever, that they have the same privilege as White people.
Another sad fact is many Asian people are racist against Blacks. Not so much Latinos or Arab people, but definitely Black People.
So your friend has a point.
Back in the day that was not the case at all.
Chinatown was about being segregated and many Japanese refugees and immigrants faced discrimination after Pearl Harbor.
Today though Asians are so accepted by White people, especially White men who have yellow fever, that they have the same privilege as White people.
Another sad fact is many Asian people are racist against Blacks. Not so much Latinos or Arab people, but definitely Black People.
So your friend has a point.
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Your complete and utter inability to see what you're doing wrong (and what you're clearly NOT accomplishing), week after week after week is absolutely mesmerizing!!! It's like watching Travis Bickle in real life!
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.
OT: Am I White?
This past summer I was hanging out with a white friend at the non-profit where we both sail. He was lamenting the lack of diversity there. I said to him, "There are some ****** here." He responded, "Chinks?" And I said, "Yeah, I've seen 'em." And he said, "Well, the thing about ****** isthey're white!"
I had never thought about it that way before. My friend and I were both jesting, but we were both also making serious points. I like to think I add some racial diversity in white settings. But I guess many whites aren't aware of a racial dynamic when I'm around. And I know my experience is distinct from "the" black experience in America.
This movie makes me think about these issues rather starkly, because in the sixties, in the Jim Crow south, I imagine I would have used "Colored" facilities as a matter of course. (I grew up in the late sixties and seventies, in Pennsylvania.)
So, am I white?
You want thingamabobs? I got twenty!