Denial : Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Hi Im new to Holocaust denial, can someone explain whether there is any truth to the denial movement?

Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Depends who you talk to.

You'll find deniers, revisionists and believers


Deniers will offer these points

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4971


Look at David Cole's work for revisionism as a good starting point (make up your own mind once you listen to his stuff whether he is telling the truth)


And believers, well there info all over these boards and the web.




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Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Is the earth really round?

Depends who you talk to.

You'll find deniers, revisionists and believers. Go to random crap forums on the internets, or get your facts from YooToob, the stupid man's encyclopedia, and you'll find deniers and revisionists.

Go to those who actually know what they're talking about because they are trained professionals rather than self-taught Leuchter types, and you'll see they're unified, have the facts to back themselves up, and think the crackpots are wackadoodles.

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It never happened, it's just a Jewish mythology. But there are two sides to this.

First Theory of the Holocaust
>First one can say it did not happen at all, that is it made for the profit of the Jews so they could steal Palestine and make tons of shekels of this hoax. It is merely a modernized version of their story of how the Egyptians enslaved them to build the pyramids, except instead of Egypt it now takes place in Germany, and Ramses is replaced with Hitler, the slavery is forced labor(which was so the Jews could pay off everything they stole from Germany), and the Pyramids are the camps. Now those stories do sound familiar but what really debunks the Holocaust is simply the fact that you will goto jail for questioning it. As previously stated if you commit heresy against the Jew you will goto jail. Now why? I thought these European nations were places with free speech. Oh no, hate speech is not free speech says the Jew. Interesting, then why aren't people prosecuted when they insult Muhammad and spread lies about him, that is considered free speech by the Jews, even insult and desecrate Jesus, the Jews call him all kinds of nasty stuff like how he's the son of a prostitute who's dad was a Roman soldier and he's burning in hell in a lake of poop. Why aren't people who spread lies and hate about Islam or Christianity prosecuted but those who Question the Holocaust are? Why are the Jews given this special protection? Hmm could it be, perhaps if people start questioning the Holocaust we will realize it is false and the Jews will lose their Holocaust card? That means all the billions of dollars of the Holocaust Industry will be worthless and obsolete? Perhaps it is not that we question the Holocaust but it is the fact that by questioning the Holocaust we threaten the Jew's money, and that is the greatest blasphemy against Jews

Second Theory of the Holocaust
>Second one can say the Jews deserved the Holocaust, it was the right thing to do, it was the only thing to do! The Jews are parasites on this planet and all they do is destroy, did 6 trillion die? Maybe maybe not, maybe it was 1.2 million like the Red Cross says, but it doesn't matter what the number was. The only bad thing is that all of them weren't exterminated. 6 trillion, 7 trillion, 12, 60 whatever the number is it wasn't enough it should have been every single last one of them, to kill a jew is no different than killing an animal, even the best of jews should be killed. Had all of them been exterminated the world would be in peace, no wars for oil, Palestine would be in peace, no Jewish lobbies controlling America, no Jewish bankers on Wall St. etc..

Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Obvious troll is obvious. Who's sock are you? Ignored.



I have a very low tolerance for stupid so if I ignore you it's nothing personal.

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Well, as deniers like to bring up the argument of plausibility – and usually nothing more –, they should stand up to their own "highly critical" standards. The question should be: why in the decades of its existence has the "revisionist" movement not accomplished to make the slightest dent in the world of academia, in the world of scholars who deal with the issue of the Shoah as a profession? Is it

a) because there is an almighty conspiracy that controls all historians, Jewish and non-Jewish alike?

or

b) because deniers are flat out wrong and cannot present a convincing case of an alternative version of history that is in accordance with all the evidence we know?

If you think that a) has the slightest possibility to be true, I urge you to read just the following article:

The "Hoax" – where's the evidence?
http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/~jamie/the-hoax.shtml

This should show that the theory of a massive conspiracy of forgers, instructors and torturers tacitly implied and suggested by the deniers has not a shred of plausibility at all. Usually they don't go into detail about that conspiracy, and that is for a reason. But denial of the Shoah cannot be possible at all without the existence of such a conspiracy.

If you're still not convinced you can study the websites (see link list below) which specifically deal with the debunking of the most common denier arguments. You will find that usually those arguments are either minor details and irrelevant, or based on cherry-picking of facts and constitute a hypocritical approach concerning evidence, or sometimes flat out lying and distortion of the historical record, as has for example been clearly proven in the Irving trial. You will find as a pattern too that oftentimes the driving force is not the honest, unbiased search for the truth, but certain ideological mindsets instead.

http://www.nizkor.org/
http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

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Wow another professional lolohoaxer. I'm assuming you're Jamie Maccarthy. That is tour nonsensical website isn't it. Maccarthy huh. So you're a SHABBAS GOY or that's a pseudonym. Correct?

Why did the enigma transcripts of the concentration camps show no mention of gassings when the Germans were only roo happy to show military secret information is troop movements etc.

Why were gassings more important to cover up than the important stuff.

You do realise how ludicrous this all is don't you.

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It's a good point. You can't have the Holocaust denier's alternative version of truth without requiring a massive international Jewish conspiracy. Yet, where is any actual evidence for that conspiracy? All in their heads. All handwaving and supposition and racist, antisemitic fulmination.
That's why Holocaust denial is a failed movement. It's pointless as a recruiting tool for the racist far-right, because it's just too effin' stooopid. To be anything close to susceptible to such crap, you'd already have to be the sort of bug-eyed wack who sees big Jewish conspiracies behind every door.
But what do you call a Holocaust denier who actually thinks it through? A former Holocaust denier.

Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

People were sent to the camps, many died of disease & starvation, and I'm sure a few were probably shot and killed, but there's no scientific evidence that mass gassings took place.

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Interesting info, thanks.

One thing I've noticed is that the deniers tend to present facts calmly and without looking to antagonise, wheras the beleivers tend to attack with ad hominems and needless hostility, favouring abuse over debate.

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One thing I've noticed is that the deniers tend to present facts calmly and without looking to antagonise

Yes, that's what you guys tell each other. Anyone with eyes can see it's not true. Here's the text of a recent post here for you to pretend you didn't see:

"We've known since the mid 1940s that..."
Ya right, silly heeb. "We" huh?
Fanatical and brainwashed dullard.
HEIL HITLER!

Please tell me how this post is "calm" and not "looking to antagonize."

Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Don't forget this solid gold:


You're a retard with no understanding of the law in Germany.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4645330/board/nest/265414247?d=265479017#265479017



I know as a stinking kik* you'll be very happy about that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4645330/board/nest/265414247?d=265487926#265487926


What I still find amusing is that with that last statement our dear friend tkidcharlemagne revealed much more about himself than about me ;-)

And you just have to love such "balanced" statements like this one:


This is why nobody cares about you Judenratts and we need a real Holocaust this time to finally wipe out the parasite that is the Jew.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4645330/board/thread/265760634?d=265760634#265760634

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Yeah, I'd probably have seen a lot more of this stuff if I hadn't flushed the cave squeakers Kid Jewishsong and "shekelbergman" down the "ignore" toilet the moment they tipped their Jew-hating hand.
The IHR put lots and lots of time and money for decade after decade into trying to separate Holocaust denial from anti-Semitic hate-raving in the public mind, and they got exactly bupkes. Why? Partly because the two are spot-welded together inseparably in a hundred junctures, but mostly because they just couldn't rid themselves of the cave squeakers. The defeat of Irving was really the turning point. The Holocaust denial movement no longer tries to comb its hair, wear a suit, and hide its arm band, because they've learned the hard way they just can't pull it off.

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Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

For the heck of it, I had a look at some of his other posts. Like the one where he argues that the reason we're not on Mars yet is that the US is too multicultural.
In other words, just another cave squeaker.

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he reason we're not on Mars yet is that the US is too multicultural


Did they offer any excuse why no one else has made it to Mars, or are all countries too multicultural?



I have a very low tolerance for stupid so if I ignore you it's nothing personal.

Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

Wow you are incredibly objective, and clearly aren't biased at all!

*Rolls eyes at most sarcastic comment I've ever said"

Re: Noob here… did the Holocause actually happen?

About 500,000 Jews were transported to Belzec death camp and gassed. Between 700,000 and 900,000 Jews were transported to Treblinka death camp and gassed. About 200,000 Jews were gassed at Sobibor death camp. Another 200,000 Jews were taken to Chelmno death camp and gassed. About 1.1 million people, mostly Jews, were taken to Auschwitz-Birkenau, and about 90% of these were gassed. A further 1.3 million Jews were shot by Einsatzgruppe moving from village to village behind the German front lines. Other Jews were held at multiple camps across the area controlled by German forces and were killed there (eg 60,000 at Majdanek).

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For me it's pretty simple. My father was awarded the honor of being the first American GI to liberate a Nazi Death Camp. In this case Buchenwald. He dared anyone to try and tell him it didn't happen. It was the one thing that affected him more than any other single thing. I saw what it did to him and how he talked about it from firsthand knowledge. So for me it's easy. Yes, it happened and was even worse than you can imagine. 6 million Jews and 5.5 non Jews killed and a large portion tortured and/or experimented on. He said the ovens still had body parts smoldering in them, but the worst was the cages. Do some research on the camps. To the deniers, it's a shame you've sold your souls.

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For me it's pretty simple. My father was awarded the honor of being the first American GI to liberate a Nazi Death Camp. In this case Buchenwald. He dared anyone to try and tell him it didn't happen. It was the one thing that affected him more than any other single thing. I saw what it did to him and how he talked about it from firsthand knowledge. So for me it's easy. Yes, it happened and was even worse than you can imagine. 6 million Jews and 5.5 non Jews killed and a large portion tortured and/or experimented on. He said the ovens still had body parts smoldering in them, but the worst was the cages. Do some research on the camps. To the deniers, it's a shame you've sold your souls.


Oh dear, oh dear, Kensolar. You seem to have revised (pun intended) your story. On the sixth of December 2016 in the "The Holocaust is a Myth" thread, you posted this:


"My father was given the honor (dubious honor, he called it) to be the first American to liberate a Nazi Death Camp. When he saw or heard punks like you make these absurd allegations he would jump up on his feet and ask if you wanted your teeth in a cliclet box. He talked to me at length for years about the gas chambers, ovens and a lot about the cages. The cages he always said was the worst form of torture and punishment ever devised by man. They were so bad that there purpose was to make people willing to walk into the gas chambers rather than get put in the cages. So take your stinking denial and shove it where the sun don't shine. BTW, you don't want to be spouting that BS if I'm around. And yes, everything you say is BS, my father witnessed it first hand, in detail. It made him sick at just the mention of it, just like the punks who spout this nonsense."


Let's compare the two...

In the first story (fairy tale would be more apt.), your father "talked to [you] at length for years about the gas chambers." In the second story, you make zero references to "gas chambers." You have completely eradicated gas chambers from your father's story. Why have you done that? It wouldn't be because in the previous thread I pointed out that not one American soldier set foot in one of the six camps (Auschwitz, Sobibor, Majdanek, Chelmno, Treblinka and Belzec) holocaust historians state were the only ones with extermination facilities? Not one single camp liberated by American soldiers had a homicidal gas chamber. No one, neither denier/revisionist or holocaust historian, says otherwise. Only you do, Kensolar, because you are a liar.

I want to make this clear to everyone: Buchenwald was not an extermination camp - even holocaust historians admit that now. It did not have gas chambers or any type of extermination facilities. You and/or your father, Kensolar, are liars. Is it you, him or both?

You have been exposed as a deceitful liar, Kensolar. And you are also an idiot if you believe extermination happened based on fairy tales from Buchenwald... a camp which didn't have extermination facilities.

"[Your] father witnessed it first hand."
What did he witness firsthand in Buchenwald? It certainly wasn't gassings.

"He dared anyone to tell him it didn't happen."
That what didn't happen? He couldn't have witnessed anything in regards to extermination.

"He talked about it from firsthand knowledge."
Talked about what from firsthand knowledge? He, nor anyone else at Buchenwald, had firsthand knowledge of extermination.

"To the deniers, it's a shame you've sold your souls."
The only one here to have sold their soul is you, you deceitful liar. You've been caught making up stories to support your false argument. You're a liar, a fraud and a deceiver. Have some dignity and admit your lies.

Illogical, ludicrous stories like Kensolar's are what the holocaust is built upon. There is no physical evidence for extermination - only testimony. And once each testimony is examined, you quickly see it's nothing but extravagant lies.

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Well said, pauliewalnuts.

Kensolar's father might well have been one of the soldiers who liberated the camp, and I'm sure the sight of rotting corpses from the typhus outbreak and the poor conditions were a sight to behold. That doesn't mean squat about proving that gassings happened. It's just the usual demagoguery from the holohoaxers. I had a debate with a friend once who tried to use the fact she visited Auschwitz on a school trip as proof it happened.

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LOL absolutely laughable...

The only "illogical" thing here, is that you took the words of the SON of someone who was there as if they were the actual testimony of the person who was there.

You delusional people act like, even if your crazy theory that millions of innocent people were murdered in other ways that weren't gassings... that somehow these camps were 5 star resorts, or never existed.

If the only lie of the Holocaust is the way in which millions of people were murdered... There still shouldn't be a single sane, logical, or decent human being trying to deny the Holocaust.

And we can easily see you aren't any of those qualities.

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Wait a minute...

I expose an exterminationist (Kensolar) as a liar and you think I'M delusional?

Kensolar is regurgitating his father's testimony. Allegedly his father liberated Buchenwald, so Kensolar's father's testimony is entered and placed under scrutiny. Kensolar said his father talked about seeing gas chambers firsthand. Either Kensolar and/or his father are lying for reasons I have previously stated.

I highlighted the impossibilities and inconsistencies in the story, yet you're criticising me for it? Why not tell Kensolar his story was impossible? Why not criticise him for lying? But no, you're too tribal in this argument. You can't think rationally; you can't think without emotion.

I point out lies and inconsistencies and I'm the bad guy? That's just ridiculous.


somehow these camps were 5 star resorts, or never existed


I never once said they were "resorts" or that they never existed. They were horrible places, and I feel for anyone who entered them. But there is a huge difference between imprisoning people in labour camps and exterminating them. Yes, approx. 250,000 - 300,000 died from disease and starvation and that's horrible and unacceptable. But that is not extermination. That is not six million murders. That is not genocide.

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And where did these supposed 6 million people go after they "weren't murdered" according to you? Your whole dam argument is based of the fact that "we need to show you documentation of all the people killed, and if you can't that means they were never killed". Why don't YOU show some documentation of what happened to those 6 million people after the "labor camps". 6 million people who vanished into thin air and were never heard from again, YOU prove that they lived on after the war. You can't because they didn't. You're the one trying to disprove a historical fact. Nobody has to prove anything to you because it already has been proven for many, many years by many, many people. People much smarter than me, and definitely much, much smarter than you.

You weren't just "pointing out the lies" of that guy's story. You were using his "lies" as proof that the ACTUAL person who was in the situation was lying... therefore everyone who was there was lying... and therefore you're right. Now that's some serious drawing of conclusions if I've ever seen it.

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1) I don't know where you're getting the six million figure from. That is ludicrously high and in no way corresponds to any data recorded at the time.
2) They went to the USSR and Israel (and some to America).

I can give names of people who went to Israel, The USSR and America after they were in camps. Can you give names of anyone who was gassed?

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LMAO I don't even need to dignify those alternative facts with a response, but I will in the same deflecting way you answer questions...


You can give the names of the 6 million people who weren't murdered and were never heard from again? Wow, It may take a while for all 6 million names, but I'm all ears....

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What six million who were murdered and never heard from again? Name one of them...

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Name one of the "sick" people who were burnt alive, only because they were "sick". Name one of them...

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Nope. You can't ignore my questions and ask (ridiculous) questions of your own. Answer me and then you can ask a counter question. That's how grown-ups do it.

I'll ask again: What six million who were murdered and never heard from again? Name one of them...

I'm losing count of how many times you've failed to name one of the alleged six million. I'm beginning to think you can't ;)

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What? You can't prove that? I wonder why that might be?!?!?! Could that be because all of those sick people's existence was burnt to ashes? Oh wait! Then you'd have to admit that someone's existence could be erased... Therefor erasing your whole argument.

You can't prove the existence of someone whose existence was erased. The reason you're more worthless than toilet water is because you're either smart enough to know that, or you're trying to argue things you have zero understanding of. Either way, you're pretty pathetic. If you're smart enough to understand that you can't prove the existence of someone whose existence was erased, then you would know that not being able to prove the existence of someone doesn't in the slightest prove anything for you. I wonder where you got that "tactic" form anyway? (*cough* the movie *cough*) It's just a cheap parlor trick to try and win over the not so smart crowd.

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A lot of the evidence comes from Soviet Occupied Territory, a country that was massacreing and raping Germans at the time. Also the Nuremburg defendants were tortured into giving statements.
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