The Tourist : During filming, when did Depp know ………?

During filming, when did Depp know ………?

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Looking at the early part of the performance, there is no clue that Frank is anyone other than a math teacher. It's as if no one told Depp that he was Alex until the scene when he opens the safe.

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Not sure what good it did to put spoiler in your message when the spoiler has already been seen in the subject line.

Re: During filming, when did Depp know ………?

He knew from the start, like any actor, unless there were heavy re-writes during shooting (unlikely, but given the rest of the production's problems, not exactly impossible). Not every movie has to have heavy foreshadowing, and in my opinion, Johnny Depp's strength as an actor is in such "twists", in playing a certain role so completely, only to be something completely different.

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Re: During filming, when did Depp know ………?

Films are not short in order, Depp knew when he read the finished script.

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I totally understand why you ask the question. I agree that there is no hint whatsoever that he is other than some math teacher tourist. There should have been some hints/guessing games to make the character believable (and more interesting). Surprise - twists like that are just bad storytelling when they come out of nowhere and don't really fit with what happened before. If Depp did know before it wasn't the best choice to accept to act the character like it was written in the script.

I hope Depp didn't know before and they told him just before the twist happened. Things like that have happened - but with TV-series - I don't know if they've happended with movies. But I guess he did know from the beginning and liked the twist the way it was. Well ... no one is perfect.

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"I agree that there is no hint whatsoever that he is other than some math teacher tourist."

That's the point, that's what his character would've wanted everybody to believe. If he wants to convince everyone he's a math teacher, he wouldn't run around leaving clues and hints that he is anything but an ordinary-looking, boring math teacher

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And here lies the problem, it was too perfect

Also far too coincidental that the same guy was on the right train at the right time on the right day

"plastic surgery" was just a deus ex machina

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And here lies the problem, it was too perfect


exactly

Of course I know that he was supposed to play a character that wants to convince everyone around + the casual movie watcher that he is nothing but a tourist. But he played it like he was just a tourist, not like someone who plays the tourist.

I'm not saying that as someone who was fooled into believing that he is just a tourist and now complains that they fooled him. I either went into the movie spoilered or suspected the cheap plot-surprise pretty soon. But the performance just didn't fit with him being Pearce in disguise all along in my opinion and I agree that the plastic surgery was deus ex machina.

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"Also far too coincidental that the same guy was on the right train at the right time on the right day"

What coincidence? Pearce told her to get that train. And got on it himself too. Sure, she could have picked someone else from the train.


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What Depp did was play Frank as Frank. He did what Pearce would have been doing.


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Yeah but... no human can act that perfectly 24 hours a day xD

next thing he will have changed his kissing technique and tongue length

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if depp didn't know 5 minutes into the movie, he would be the only person in the world not to.

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You can't win with this one.
If Depp plays it like he could be lying,
then the ending becomes predictable.

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You missed the foreshadowing actually

"Frank? terrible name" "it's the only one I've got"

"I like a man who just does what he wants"

I'll admit... it wasn't good foreshadowing but foreshadowing nonetheless

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Re: During filming, when did Depp know ………?

its called good acting which that is exactly what depp is -- a great actor; actually angie/depp had tons of chem - job well done, loved it.

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You could clearly see Frank recognising Elise at the train when they first met.

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Maybe he was playing a role playing game with her like some couples do when they are bored.

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Re: During filming, when did Depp know ………?

Great post rkj. I so agree. Do people think Depp can't play two characters in the same film? Or that his agent would advise him to do a film when he hasn't read the script? Though, I did wonder halfway through if Depp had read the script cause it was just so awful, and considering the deep love the characters were supposed to be experiencing, the chemistry was non existent. A bad movie and I'm not sure what the filmmakers were even trying to achieve with it. Cynical move on their part maybe, put all the stars in and who cares about the script may have been the plan but it did not work.

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Looking at the early part of the performance, there is no clue that Frank is anyone other than a math teacher. It's as if no one told Depp that he was Alex until the scene when he opens the safe.

thats a mark of a truly great actor.


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I know this is a very, very late response.

But Depp acted like Alex the whole time.

I love this film, especially after knowing the spoiler. Depp played the ambiguity so well it's incredible to just watch his performance.

When I first saw it, I kinda think it was b.s. that he was Alex the whole time, that it was just a gimmick twist. As I saw no sign of him being Alex.

Upon second viewing, everything actually worked. And I've seen it several times since.

Depp played it as if he was unsure if she still recognized him when they first met ( which we took for being uneasy around beautiful stranger ). He even did a double take because he hadn't see he for a long time but recognized her immediately. First word out of his mouth, "I'm sorry." Then, Depp continued to play it like he was not sure if he should reveal himself to her, not sure if she would forgive him if he did. Which, of course, we mistook for him being clueless on what's he's being conned into, on first viewing. And so on and so forth. And Depp played this ambiguity throughout the whole film, with different set of ambiguity for every scene as the plot thickens. He played like a math teacher for us, but played Alex for his character, his lover, and the film. Doing both at the same time.

This film's ambiguity is not on clues, hints or foreshadowing. It's all on Depp's performance.

This film is so underrated. There's no preachy romance or artsy philosophy, but for entertainment, it's a joy to watch from one scene to the next.

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I love this film, especially after knowing the spoiler. Depp played the ambiguity so well it's incredible to just watch his performance.

When I first saw it, I kinda think it was b.s. that he was Alex the whole time, that it was just a gimmick twist. As I saw no sign of him being Alex.

Upon second viewing, everything actually worked. And I've seen it several times since.

Depp played it as if he was unsure if she still recognized him when they first met ( which we took for being uneasy around beautiful stranger ). He even did a double take because he hadn't see he for a long time but recognized her immediately. First word out of his mouth, "I'm sorry." Then, Depp continued to play it like he was not sure if he should reveal himself to her, not sure if she would forgive him if he did. Which, of course, we mistook for him being clueless on what's he's being conned into, on first viewing. And so on and so forth. And Depp played this ambiguity throughout the whole film, with different set of ambiguity for every scene as the plot thickens. He played like a math teacher for us, but played Alex for his character, his lover, and the film. Doing both at the same time.

This film's ambiguity is not on clues, hints or foreshadowing. It's all on Depp's performance.

This film is so underrated. There's no preachy romance or artsy philosophy, but for entertainment, it's a joy to watch from one scene to the next.

i just.. couldn't agree more with this brilliant post!



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I am so glad I found someone (or some-two) on here that loved this movie! I thought their chemistry was great and it was quite beautifully and simply scored. That scene when they first arrive on Venice and they zoom right out to show the boat heading into the city with the music in the background is just lovely.

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i thought depp was a bad actor, he didn't look really embarrassed by a beautiful woman approaching him so aggressively. later i knew he was acting that he was acting, but still you can't do much with such a poor script.

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i thought depp was a bad actor

um, do you mean his performance was bad in this movie? if so then i disagree.



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i meant i thought he was a bad actor before i realized in the end of the movie that in the beginning of the movie he was acting that he was acting which is really good acting by him. i think he choose bad scripts to act though, many of his movies are pretty dump, i call it the nicholas cage syndrome.

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You obviously haven't seen much of him Or You just don't know what good acting is.


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to realize good acting you need long monologues, that's why you may find it more on theater rather than holywood movies, i can't remember depp in a long monologue, so i can't decide if he's brilliant or not, wait there was that scene in the potc, end of the world, when he's "dead" on the ship alone, very interesting and funny.

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Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas. Watch that. It's pretty much all Depp monologue-- reading Hunter S. Thompson, really.

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Your question really irks me:- so your saying that Depp is that bad an actor, or any actor really, that if he knows his character, although playing a meek maths teacher, is really an international thief, and that he wouldn't be able to stop himself from looking a little bit cool? Actors generally do as asked of them; if he was told by the director to act that part of the film as if he was 4% coyote, he would have done so. Do you get my gist>? He was asked to play a mild meek maths teacher on holiday and that's what he did.

Your opinion is insulting to Depp as an actor I would think? !
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