11.22.63 : Why was the world in total ruins?

Why was the world in total ruins?

Yeah so I'm trying to figure out why saving JFK cause the destruction of what seemed to be all of America. Or at least that town.

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On a building you can see something spray painted saying "CAPTAIN T----". The latter letters of the word are blocked by another building. I'm assuming this is a reference to another of Stephen King's books - The Stand.

In The Stand, a virus called "Captain Trips" wipes out the majority of the world's population. Only a small percentage are immune.

In 11.22.63, altered-Harry Dunning talks about a "flu". This is also supports the theory that Captain Trips wiped out the population.

EDIT: I should add that I haven't read the book of 11/22/63, so I may be completely wrong and the 'Captain Trips' appearance may be nothing more than an easter egg.

If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

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Blimey. You actually believe that?

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what's wrong with that theory? they didn't explain any post JFK-surviving events like the book did, and a building does say 'Captain Trips'.

Plot hole - Aspect of a film that is misunderstood or missed while using your smart phone.

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you missed a scene I guess, it shows a different building very close which has the full 'Captain Trips' on it.

Plot hole - Aspect of a film that is misunderstood or missed while using your smart phone.

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I have to agree with you on the Easter egg theory. It wasn't in the book, that I remember. Probably of Stephen Kings doing. He seems to like throwing a little tid-bit from previous books into movies, when he has a part directing.
I've been wanting to see 11/22/63, and was under the impression that it was a movie, but the only place I've been able to find it is on Amazon, and it says season # 1.... wait...what?? Oh, I hope they don't ruin it, like they did with Under The Dome! So.... if you liked this movie, the book is so-so much better! I have to say, it is one of my favorite King novels, but I think the best is Sleep Doctor. It's part two of The Shining. I have to add, if you like Stephen King, and like to read, you have to check out the books by his son, writing under the name "Joe Hill", he wrote Horns, that is now a movie, and a few other books.

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Okay I'm going to sound like a TOTAL idiot but how does saving the life of ONE man lead to nuclear war!?

What in the hell did JFK do to cause the world to go bombed. How does one little man who was supposedly a great president cause the world to go boom. In other words what are the steps he made to cause this? 0.0

I think I'm going to go watch the last episode again. I actually plan to watch it all again. I love binge watching.

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What in the hell did JFK do to cause the world to go bombed. How does one little man who was supposedly a great president cause the world to go boom. In other words what are the steps he made to cause this? 0.0


He may or may not have caused a nuclear war but ultimately it's irrelevant. The point is changing a major thing like preventing a presidential assassination could and would have an infinite number of unforeseen consequences.

Think of it like this. Say you went back and killed Hitler. Since he was history's biggest monster, killing him early should make the world an even better place. But when you get back, you find the present is now a place where non-whites are hunted and shot on sight since the world never learned from Hitlers atrocities.

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^^This^^.

Absolutely correct. Stalin really did want global domination, Hitler didn't. Hitler wanted pre-WWI German borders restored and parts of Russia, especially Ukraine.

If Hitler wasn't around to fight the Soviet Union, we would all be speaking Russian right now.

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Have they made a time travel or alternate history movie or show based on THAT idea? Because that would make one hell of a good war/horror movie (if done right). Theyve done that before, the killing Hitler idea, or attempting it. But I dont recall anything where killing Hitler early-on was just the beginning, and then showing what possibilities may occur afterwards.

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Stephen Fry wrote a book with this topic called Making History. Hitler's existance was undone with some time travelling mischief where his father was made infertile with a modern male contraceptive pill. History unfolded very differently but not necessarily for the better - no more spoilers. Worth a read.

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Shame on you! Tell me the whole story instead of making me read the book!!!

( Seriously though I'll be checking this title out. Thanks :) )

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There's also a book called "Time And Time Again" by Ben Elton where someone goes back in history to stop WW1.

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So go back and kill Hitler AND Stalin.

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No, French, as Napoleon won, and Europe became all in French empire..

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I'm glad to see not everyone is so absolutely ignorant of history.

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You're both wrong. It was Mao.

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I agree, Stalin was worst than Hitler, and no one talks about him.

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Well duh they don't admit to Stalin being worse because of the jews, Bolshevism and revisionist history.

And Mao, asians and mongoloians made Stalin look like a pussy cat.

Any ways the real monster of our time, someone whom has irrevocably harmed our society and set us on a fundamentally different trajectory, is Mark Zuckerberg. When we're standing around the drinks machine at work, playing that game of 'if you could go back in time and kill someone at birth..' Everyone says Hitler, maybe you get Stalin. I drop Zuckerberg everytime...

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Report the troll.

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Report yourself. He has a right to voice his opinion no matter what you think of his comment.

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Autism? What are you referring to here?






"When Life Gives You Lemons"

Ezra: write a book about the lemons

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People being brainwashed and bringing their political views into the discussion for the show primarily.

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What has politics got to do with autism lol? I have aspergers and don't see the correlation? :/






"When Life Gives You Lemons"

Ezra: write a book about the lemons

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Nothing, that person doesn't know what he/she is talking about. Brainwashing has nothing to do with autism, either. Don't let it bother you :-).

-Dad, who's that?
-Oh, that? One of my patients. He's...sick.
-Will he live?
-It's looking grim.

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that is not autism you blathering imbecile

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Been on this kick for almost eight years, have ya? That's the same amount of time it takes for most children to get a basic education. Did you miss that boat?




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Basuck Oturdma is history's biggest monster


Is that your clever way of saying Obama? That is just pathetic.

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There sure are a bunch of butt-hurt libtards on this board.



*To all the typical masculinist scum on IMDB*
-"Your ridiculous and mens rights is nothing"

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They're gonna a lot more butt-hurt when President Trump takes office.

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Your message was approved by Hillary Clinton. Congratulations.

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If things end up like the final episode no one will see it.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist. I'll show myself out.

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How's that working out for you, shit-for-brains?

The worst thing that ever happened to the movies was when some pretentious twit decided they should be art.

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Holy *beep* politics really do have a funny way of turning people into insufferable asshōles.


I know you've had a rough time.

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There are a hell of a lot more brain-dead conservitards.

The worst thing that ever happened to the movies was when some pretentious twit decided they should be art.

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Who?

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Everyone wants to go back and kill Hitler. But they never think to go back and prevent the start of WORLD WAR ONE! That is what led to the depression in Germany and power vacuum which allowed Hitler to take over. It would also save MILLIONS of more lives.

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THIS

We kill everyone body in that assassination.

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I don't think anyone here realizes how weak the Soviet Union was pre-winter war vs Finland. They would have never been able to take over the world, because once they started declaring wars, the allies would have crushed them easily enough. Germany's problem was multi-front war, and the allies. Even if you forgive them the fact that they had one rifle for every five men in 1939, their war thinking was from fighting mostly civilians in the Russian civil war, and what they did, especially in Finland, was to send waves after waves of soldiers into machine gun nests, until they ran out of ammunition. That would simply have not worked against the allies. Don't forget that they were defeated, and badly, by the Polish cavalry, men with horses in 1921, and they learned nothing for the war against Finland. All they had was massive numbers and more tanks and planes. After the ass kicking they got in the Winter War, the Soviets finally started upgrading towards a more modern military in material and thinking, and they did it just in time too to defeat Hitler's Germany in world war two. So killing Hitler, might actually have worked. Sure there would probably have been different wars in Europe, but it would have most likely been the Soviets as the aggressors, but the wars would have been very much less destructive, and probably even excluded countries like USA and Japan, thus not making them world wars.

What i think happened in this story was, that with JFK nominated for a second term, the following presidents, now different people did something that triggered a nuclear war. As a long-time president JFK might have been so good, too good for America and the west, that it caused Soviet Union's downfall decades faster, but too fast, so that the extremist-communists still outnumbered the modern thinkers by a massive amount. The Soviets might have then had a similar to the 1991 uprising of the Soviet army, but successful, and this might have then escalated to invasion of West Germany, and thus, a nuclear war. Remember, that technologically the Soviets were at least on par with the west up until the late seventies or early eighties.

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