Star Trek Beyond : Is the gay promotion/agenda really needed?

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It isn't a choice. No one chooses to be gay in a society that marginalises them, denies them rights and sees them estranged from their families.

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It isn't a choice.
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Guy have you met a gay person in your god damn life? Yeah its not a choice man. Do you think people are just lying about it this entire time? Really? When did you choose to be straight man? Jesus some you people sound like you still in the 70s. Stop your sad homophobic spinning because you don't like gay people. Its not a choice no more than you chose to be straight.

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I have gay family and no it isn't a choice but this is a Star Trek film. Believe it or not gays are a minority, fact. Not only that I can give a flip if you wear leather when you have sex or like to bark like a dog which most likely also a minorty. It shouldn't be in a Star Trek film it isn't a film about sexuality.

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One gay guy in a film with every one else as straight is actually the very definition of a minority Newton. You do realize minority means less than the majority either in number or representation? See this is what happens when you skip grades 8-12?

ONE gay guy in a movie= "IT BE A GAY PORNO!!! GAY PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA GAYS ARE TAKIN OVA NOW. RELIGION IS DEAD. MURICA HAS FALLEN. WHERE ARE YEW JESUS TO STOP THE ABOMINATION OF SHOWING A GAY GUY IN A MOVIE??? THEY HAVE STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT TOO, BUT THAT DOESNT COUNT SHOWING 'SEXUALITY' LIKE WHEN UHURA AND SPOCK MAKE OUT EVERY MOVIE OR WHEN KIRK HAVE SEX WITH ALIEN WOMEN IN EVERY MOVIE, ONLY WHEN A GAY GUY SHOWS UP AND SAY HE'S GAY THEN ITS ONLY ABOUT SEXUALITY AND DATS WRONG JESUS, WRONG I SAY!! LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY"

OK, its clear now: The number of posts here are easily bigger than your IQ. Don't worry, you're still much smarter than a hamster. Don't prove me wrong on that though.

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ONE gay guy in a movie= "IT BE A GAY PORNO!!! GAY PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA GAYS ARE TAKIN OVA NOW. RELIGION IS DEAD. MURICA HAS FALLEN. WHERE ARE YEW JESUS TO STOP THE ABOMINATION OF SHOWING A GAY GUY IN A MOVIE??? THEY HAVE STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT TOO, BUT THAT DOESNT COUNT SHOWING 'SEXUALITY' LIKE WHEN UHURA AND SPOCK MAKE OUT EVERY MOVIE OR WHEN KIRK HAVE SEX WITH ALIEN WOMEN IN EVERY MOVIE, ONLY WHEN A GAY GUY SHOWS UP AND SAY HE'S GAY THEN ITS ONLY ABOUT SEXUALITY AND DATS WRONG JESUS, WRONG I SAY!! LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY LAWDY"


Such a angry closet homosexual seriously just admit it's very evident it's driving you crazy. You even insult people by calling them dickweed who calls people that? Please tell me you're trolling I don't even want to imagine a lunatic like you is raising two boys!


I like anybody who isn't a dickweed like you telling others they can't be shown on TV or in the movies. You stop doing that, then you stop being a dickweed, dickweed.



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I don't believe it's a choice. Did you choose to be straight? I doubt it because you were obviously born this way.

My cousin and I are the same age, she knew something was different about her when she was 10, by the time she was 12 it was official. She never liked boys the way she liked girls, she knew she was a lesbian. I was right there with her through it all, and I know she didn't choose it, this is just who she is.



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Just come out already and you will be a happier individual. There is no hate here brother.

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Because questions like this still exist.

What's the 'agenda' here. To show that gay people exist? That they're human beings like the rest of us? If that's an 'agenda' then fair play to it.

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Didn't the original series have the first televised interracial kiss between a black person and a white person? I suppose that was an agenda as well (that is still controversial even to this day in some parts of the U.S.).

Star Trek has always been about pushing progressive ideals. If you don't know that then you are a fool.


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I wish there was a like button on this site. I'd like your post!

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Firstly, get educated past the 80's, it's not a chosen behavior and secondly, in the context of the film, it's not even discussed or a major plot point - the majority of the population these days under the age of 30 consider this just a normal part of society so it makes sense that in the context of 'Star Trek' set in the future, that something like homosexuality would be something we've moved beyond even thinking of as different or taboo (God willing), but more just another facet of humanity that makes us all unique.

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Nothing against gay people.

But...IN THE FUTURE! wouldn't they just turn off the gay genes because lets be honest, for space faring races, I would imagine they'd want more people to colonize planets.

And even before they invent warp drive, for travelling across vast distances, to escape a dying sun or whatever, you'd need people who can procreate so their children and children's children can take over until they find a suitable planet to inhabit.

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YOu do realize straight people would still in the future too right?

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Hmm obviously. I'm just saying there is limited seating.

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The promotion of mass immigration, race mixing, homosexuality and militant feminism is pernicious and constant in Western tv now, all Western nations and perhaps many other countries.

In my country about 20% of the characters in the soap opera are gays or lesbians and white women ALWAYS go off with the dark skinned male. While the poverty porn shows that poke fun at the poor or uneducated - ALWAYS feature whites only.

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I didn't think time travel was possible until I met you. I bet it must be so strange coming from 1940's Nazi Germany.

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Well, my friend who was gay just committed suicide because Hollywood is using his sexuality for political gain so Hollywood can eat my droppings. THEY HATE LIBERALS AND GAYS! They want us to die so they pretend to be like us to understand us when clearly they don't.

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chosen behavior or agenda


F... off and die you filthy ignorant troll.

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I got stuck on the word promoting? By that definition having a black person on set would be promoting a black agenda, Having a woman in a lead role would be promoting feminism? having klingons on set promotes violence.
Life is a fact, Representing differences is hardly promoting. What is being promoted is people from different walks of life happily living together.
From that perspective your comment lacks coherence. If you simply said you didn't like seeing representations of gay people on screen, at least that would have been honest.

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I actually don't mind if they do have a gay character. but the way it is done in this movie is the "hey we have also have a gay character" kind of approach. No back story, no drama, no mentioning just a sudden "he's gay guys". terrible Gay promoting agenda.

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The easiest (and more creative route) would've been to make a new character, but instead, they lazily changed a straight character to a gay character, as well as not listening to George Takei, who ironically disagreed with the decision and said it disrespected Gene's original character.

It's the same lazy, provocative and headline-grabbing tactic that's been used for other comic/movie characters instead of taking the time and creativity to make a new character. It's silly, and it is political correctness, unfortunately.

Everyone excusing this for the progressive nature and origin of ST need to see this for what it is: a cheap attempt to make news as opposed to making a brand new character that could have the potential to be iconic. Instead, this was done in a controversial way.

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well said mate. Actually I don't mind if Sulu is gay. But at least give some story to it. not just a random gay moment in the movie.

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Why does there need to be a story element to establish a character? Isn't that actually worse than simply having the character be gay without fanfare?

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well looking at the number of comments and thread's apparently quite a lot of people complaining the randomness of Sulu being gay

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Well you clearly have a problem with people being gay, don't bother saying you don't because that makes you more of a idiot, the character is gay it shows is partner and child...your the one making it out to be this BIG AGENDA, when it is not anything of the sort, people like you are making it a BIG deal by complaining all the time when really it should be one of those things where you see it and you do not think anything of it because its a normal thing to see.

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I'm totally with George Takei. It was completely unnecessary, and alters the character as established by Roddenberry. Have a gay character, but make it a new one (Or perhaps expand an existing background character from an old episode, who we don't know much about). They shouldn't retroactively alter an existing main character.

I can see where Simon Pegg was coming from. Star Trek has always pushed the boundaries for its time (e.g. Uhura being a black woman not defined by her colour in any way, and in a position of authority and responsibility, likewise Chekov being a Russian character during the cold war, Sulu being part Japanese after WWII), and so yes, introduce a gay character. But it shouldn't be shoehorned into an existing one for the sake of adding that element.

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It was like a two second shot of Sulu greeting his family.

OMG! Gay agenda forced down my throat!

People are crazy and times are strange

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Ehh, this was pretty subtle. There is more focus on the daughter than the partner. If anything, for an attempt to make a character gay, this was pretty timid.

That said, I agree with Takei that it was not needed.

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Man, did this agenda PR thing backfire.

I honestly think the box office came up light because making the Sulu character now choose the homosexual lifestyle is a card they played for no reason other than this agenda. Such a small scene and so very unnecessary. I know quite a few people that didn't pay to see this movie because of this factor. They shot themselves in the foot for no reason.

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Jayhawk777 Thanks for the info - I was planning on taking the kids, but if this another one of those Hollywood --- desensitizing effects movies, then I will give this one a miss. Sick and tired of the Hollywood elites forcing agendas. I refuse to give them my money.

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FYI- It was just one throw away scene early in the film. That's what's so bizarre. All this stupid propaganda that ended up hurting its box office for one three second scene that was completely unnecessary.

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It was a four second shot of two men hugging. Why the hell does anyone care? This is just as dumb as when the tumblr feminists threw hissy fits because we saw Carol changing clothes in the last one.

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Why does hollywood feel the need to promote ANY chosen behavior or agenda?


It makes money?

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People that truly have an issue with this really don't understand Star Trek. The franchise has pushed commentary and agendas since the beginning about equality and tolerance. Why is it such a bad thing unless you're a hateful bigot? Showing a future where humanity has put aside their differences to unite as a single force in the exploration of the universe. It's a very positive and hopeful message. I mean if it was a woman instead of a man then technically wouldn't that be pushing the agenda of having traditional marriages? Everything has agendas in it.

Also I truly don't think that Sulu being gay is beaten over the head. You see one shot of him with his family to establish that he has something to loose when Krall attacks Yorktown. If it was a wife and a child then no one would think hey they made such a big deal out of him having a family.

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Is the heterosexual promotion/agenda really needed?

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This was clearly a nod to George Takei but the thing that bothered me about it the most is that Hollywood has now just mastered the ability to make something out of nothing. So many articles were written about this and it became such a big part of the PR for the film but then at the end of the day it was a 2 second scene lacking in any significance whatsoever and then we're on to something else. It served no purpose whatsoever.

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but then at the end of the day it was a 2 second scene lacking in any significance whatsoever and then we're on to something else. It served no purpose whatsoever.


Exactly and all it did at the end of the day was hurt the box office. The dumbest and most costly 2 seconds in film history. Will studios learn from this?

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Why does hollywood feel the need to promote ANY chosen behavior or agenda?


Good question.

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Well, whether consciously or subconsciously it is a choice so hollywood got that right.

It's just sad to see them hurt society by promoting that choice. That helps no one. "The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions."


It did another thing and that's needlessly hurt this movie's box office. Jamming in that brief scene drew a lot of PR and turned a lot of people off. Dumb dumb move that really crippled the box office take.

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Good on you for standing up to the queer mongers in Hollywood...

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Well, tact aside I guess, it really is harmful to promote this choice in any case to EVERYONE involved. There's nothing hate-filled about it. Trying to help people make better choices should have been the thing to do years ago instead of adopting this insane "embrace people no matter what" concept.

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It's exactly why this movie way underachieved at the box office.

Society is tired of this crap.

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Society is tired of this crap.


At least in most of America. I don't care about what the rest of the world thinks.

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They had to make up a new word, to include hate, "homophobia". A "phobia" is a fear of something. Invent an enemy so you can stand united against it. The whole, entire, thing is disgusting beyond belief. Just needs to stop, thanks.
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