Star Wars: The Force Awakens : If Luke was Rey (a.k.a. The ANH "Mary Sue" Rewrite)

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Total waste of 1's & 0's....wow.

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Plastic and Flawless? She was a great actor, and a great character, allowing everything flawed to occur around her. Max Landis got his famous tweet making everyone use that term. Meanwhile, he was snuggled in his Uncle George's double-chin watching The Phantom Menace, so both are bummed. But many people love this movie because it flows fantastically, unlike those prequels that caused this "remake" to have to happen in order to put things back on track. Blame only Lucas for all this, and no one else.

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Rey is a Mary Sue, Luke isn't.

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Agreed.

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Thanks!

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Excellent post. Really puts TFA in perspective. Rey is basically Jane Bond, but without the irony and in the wrong cinematic universe.

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If Luke was Rey he would not have lost to Vader in ESB.

In fact, Rey would have whipped Vader the moment she picked up a lightsaber.

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LEEROY JENKINS!!!

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Re: If Luke was Rey (a.k.a. The ANH "Mary Sue" Rewrite)

Basically you're bumping a thread that tries to validate Luke's supposed lack of Mary Sueness while ignoring the vast differences in both character & background of the two leads.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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ignoring the vast differences in both character & background of the two leads.


I think the OP made one of the main differences in character between both leads pretty clear: one is a Mary Sue, one isn't.

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Obviously.

Luke was brutally beaten by Vader and lost his hand in the second film, because he was far from perfect and his training was not complete.

He did not do the Jedi mind trick (an advanced Jedi skill) in his first film but was awe-struck when Ben Kenobi did. Luke eventually mastered it in the third film.

Unlike Mary Sue who immediately overpowers and whips a powerful dark lord while using advanced Jedi mind tricks in film one.

If anything, TFA makes the original trilogy Luke look like a force sensitive retard, but that was Abrams point, wasn't it? To turn each original trilogy character into rubbish so audiences may favor his new characters.

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So in other words, you don't want to give the female lead the same amount of time to develop like we did with Luke.

Face it, ANH Luke is just as Mary Sue as Rey.


If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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So in other words, you don't want to give the female lead the same amount of time to develop like we did with Luke.


No, it's the opposite. We want to give her the same (or more) time to develop as Luke, but that's impossible because she already developed everything (and more) on her own in the first movie.

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Your applause is a bit premature. It's ok, it happens to a lot of people with your mind.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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Your unmitigated vicious mudslinging speaks volumes about your character.

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Neither is yoor unjustified applause.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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Hmmm...no. She did no such thing.

1. These two characters started on very different paths and have only now just converged

2. Their paths led to different developments. But one had a slower rate than another in a single aspect of the movie's lorr.

3. There is no evidence she can consistantly use these powers. She would still need training to develop her powers consistently. Therefore, there is still plenty to develop.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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In order to make that claim you would have to have Luke be a character with the same personality & background. Luke doesn't, and givem his farm boy upbringing, is just as much a mary sue in ANH as Rey is in TFA.

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In order to make that claim you would have to have Luke be a character with the same personality & background.


Being a scrapper or being a farmboy and having this personality or the other doesn't have any relevance whatsover to learning the Jedi-mindtrick in a second, beating a skilled Sith in your very first lightsaber-fight and being instantly liked by everyone in the universe.

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-She is not simply a scrapper, she is a survivor. A lone wanderer just trying to get by. She has the experience to adapt under stressful situations. If abdolutely has bearing as to the context of her force powers developing, especially compared to a sheltered farmboy

-Kylo Ren is not a sith. He is also no in the fight physically (heavily wounded) & mentally (just killed his father, arrogant, & wanted to bring Rey back alive).

-Rey wasn't instantly liked. She was put in dangerous situations with others & proved herself to those she allied with.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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She NEVER made a consequential mistake. That's key. Luke nearly died on several occasions in ANH ALONE, all due to his own crap decisions! C'mon! Rey is a shallowly developed super-character. Aside from Finn delaying her capture when she was slammed into a tree(and falls 2 stories), no one actually saves her. She saves herself. Luke needed his friends and his character grew from it, and the relationships with the others were strengthened by those acts.

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Luke is a sheltered farm boy. It makes sense he might need rescuing from time to time. Rey has survived a lonely life on a harsh desert. It makes sense she could adapt to her situations (adaptability is very important to survival). It makes sense she wouldn't need the same aid as a whiny teen with no life experience.



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In the context of the movie and SW universe, no, none of what you're suggesting makes sense. She needed ZERO aid. Not once did anyone truly help her. Had Finn not been a distraction to Kylo at the end, she would have just mind-tricked her way out again.

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I didn't say she needed help. I said it makes sense as to why she wouldn't.

How did she plan to get off the base? What was her guarantee she wouldn't be shot down by by a full squadron of fighters (she has no idea of the resistance's plan). Just because one thing happened doesn't mean another couldn't have

And what's the evidence she could mind trick someone again? She only used it in a specific situation & never again tried to use it. There is absolutely no evidence she could use it to get offworld or escape Kylo, who I might mention she did not try to use it on.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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I was making a general reference. If Kylo tried to get in her head again, is what I was implying, she'd just reverse it. She'd trick a guard again, as it's not like Kylo knows she has that ability, he didn't see it. There's plenty of evidence to show that she'd be perfectly ok if she had been left on her own for any of those events. As you suggest, she's a survivor, and the writers took that to mean she'll literally survive any circumstance on her own.

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How do you know she could recreate the result in a different circumstance?



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It makes sense she wouldn't need the same aid as a whiny teen with no life experience.


One:

Being a scrapper and having a hard time doesn't make you an instant super-skilled person at everything. Do you think girls that grow up on South-American garbage heaps can kick a grown man's ass? Or flight a Boeing around? They're underfed, under-developed and poorly skilled all around. Scrapping around for your survival doesn't make you wonderwoman, it makes you a skittish and scared survivor that first of all knows how to run and hide for her life.

A well fed farmboy has actually more chances of developing himself than some poor trash-girl.

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These unrealistic kick-ass and flight and multi-language skills have still nothing to do with mastering the force in a second. Being an easy adapter in real life doesn't also make you an instant-jedi.

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-Good thing she's not instantly skilled at everything.

-I think aomeonw who has literally had to fight to survive has a chance

-Good thing she doesn't master the force then.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

Re: If Luke was Rey (a.k.a. The ANH "Mary Sue" Rewrite)

-did you watch a different film than we did?

-We're discussing The Force Awakens.

-You know, that new Star Wars movie.

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Yes. I watched TFA. No idea what you watched.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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-Good thing she's not instantly skilled at everything.



Yes she is.



-I think aomeonw who has literally had to fight to survive has a chance


Fighting to survive doesn't make you wonderwoman. If a 100 pound girl that had to fight for her life on a garbage heap has to go up against a 150 pound college-kid with a black belt in karate, I'll put my money on the college-kid


-Good thing she doesn't master the force then.


Yes she does. And she literally masters it within seconds.

Re: If Luke was Rey (a.k.a. The ANH "Mary Sue" Rewrite)

-No she isn't

-Even if that kid has emotional turmoil, the arrogance of Apollo Creed, & a gaping hole in his side?

-Mastery implies a level of consistency which is not demonstrated in the movie.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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You guys really over-romanticize this whole 'fighting for survival' nonsense. Being a punk that lives on the street and has to strugle doesn't make you a martial-arts master. You're better off taking twenty lessons and being well fed than throwing punches around like an underfed ally-cat. Her whole persona is totally unbelievable to begin with. Realistically, a girl that grew up on her own in some desert would be a scared, skittish little scruff that has been beaten around her entire life, not some ass-kicking Xena Warrior Princess. And from that silly premise, it just gets worse and worse.

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If Anakin can pilot a podracer because of his force sensitivity, then Rey can fight because of hers.

And you're still ignoring the point that Ren was not 100% in the fight mentally & physically.

And these movies have never been grounded in realism.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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And you're still ignoring the point that Ren was not 100% in the fight mentally & physically.


She doesn't just beat up Ren, she can basically beat up anyone she likes


If Anakin can pilot a podracer because of his force sensitivity, then Rey can fight because of hers.


Young Anakin was just as horrible as Rey, it's a toss-up between the two who'll be the worst written SW-character ever.


And these movies have never been grounded in realism.


They're grounded in a fantasy world where certain internal rules do apply and they're being violated by the way Mary Rey Sue is written and it makes for an idiotic movie, just like little Anakin made TFM idiotic (much more than Jar Jar, he was just annoying, but at least his actions weren't a slap in the face of the SW-fans.)

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She only wins two hand to hand foghts and only hecause her opponents in each underestimated her.

Just because you think young Anakin is horribly written doesn't change that his abilities are canon and can therfore be logically applied to other abilities of other characters.

No rule has been violated. There is nothing within any of the canon sources saying someone can't discover force abilities in the manner Rey did. This does not mean she fully understands them nor does it mean she can use them consistently. This is why she would need to train.


If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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This is why she would need to train.


I have zero interest or emotional investment in the training of someone who I've just been watchting being the queen of the Universe for two hours.

Re: If Luke was Rey (a.k.a. The ANH "Mary Sue" Rewrite)

That sounds like a personal problem from someone who can't interpret character arcs very well.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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She doesn't have an arc, she has an asymptote straight up the y-axis.

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You're an asymptote.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.
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