Hacksaw Ridge : I guess Gibson was right to remove some of the real life incidents out

I guess Gibson was right to remove some of the real life incidents out

Some people - even when it has been stated by the person involved (Desmond Doss in documentary footage) - don't believe the grenade scene or the stretcher scene or the 'My bible' scene

Mel intentionally left out some of the more 'outlandish' moments of Doss' life and i think he did right because people tend to criticise anything these days

What a fascinating tale this was - I've never heard of him in my life and i am very surprised he hasn't featured in any other movies or even as a side character in The Pacific (there is an episode called Okinawa - perfect time to include him don't ya say?)

I still prefer the very Americanised Saving Private Ryan but it is still a very good movie and those calling it the worst movie of all time or saying it's not worthy of Oscar Noms are talking crap

Andrew Garfield was fantastic in it IMHO

8/10

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I watched The Pacific recently and while I didn't care for it as a whole, I thought the Okinawa episode was excellent. Probably one of the best depictions of the pacific theater I've ever seen.

I knew the story of Desmond Doss before I saw the film so I was trying to anticipate what would get left out. I was hoping they'd show Doss's greatest temptation, which was to use grenades to kill a few japanese soldiers that he heard nearby his position one night. It would have made for a tense scene I think.

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I didn't like the Pacific when it aired but i bought both Band of Brothers and The Pacific on blu-ray last year and i really enjoyed The Pacific - it doesn't hold a candle to BoB but it's still better than what i remembered

I'm glad i didn't know anything about him because i wouldn't be critical about what they left out or what they exaggerated for dramatisation

But no that you have mention that Grenade thing - that would have been a very tense moment in the movie for people who didn't know his story and i think it should have been in the movie

Or Mel should have released an extended version for DVD/BR and included such scenes

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Yeah, I was disappointed they cut the bit where angels and seraphim came down and protected Doss from all the bullets fired by those devilish Japanese gentlemen.

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Geeze, what a a$$ you are. It was a divine miracle he didn't die up there. Sadly, Doss would have carried your sorry a$$ down too.

One true story told by a Japanese is that he went to fire right at Doss and his gun jammed; so yeah, it can be said and stated over and over that some one or some thing, god or whatever was looking out for him. Dolt.



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I wonder if some people have guardian angels sometimes. I know I've felt like I have one. When I'm driving on the road, I can zone out, daydream and yet for some reason, I'm driving just fine. I'm staying in the lines but by all logic, I should be moving all over the road.

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I don't know how accurate that scene was but the guy survived it - there must have been some truth to it other than 'oh it's a movie'

Tit

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It reminds me of a time my uncle and I were watching Cloverfield and that scene with the head of the Statue of Liberty on the street happened. My uncle was like "faaake, the head is waay bigger than that". I told him that it was unlikely to be too small since JJ Abrams was good on technical details like that, and that people probably has a false notion of the Statues head being enormous. He replied indignantly that he knew it was depicted too small for a fact because he had actually been inside the head before, and that was the end of the discussion. Months later, i learned that not only was the head not depicted too small, but that it was actually made even larger than it actually is after a test group complained about how small it was in the first cut, when it was in fact the exact correct size.

Please excuse any typos, this was typed on an iPad

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I still prefer the very Americanised Saving Private Ryan


Saving Private Ryan and Hacksaw Ridge are about even. Private Ryan features far too much shaky cam and I've always found that to be a very cheap tactic for creating tension.

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Shaky cam wasn't cheap at the time (1998) - i'd understand your frustrations if it was used during the age of the shaky cam horror movies - but in 98 it really wasn't a 'gimmick'

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I think Spielberg really started a bigger trend with his shaky cam operation in SPR. I find it nauseating to watch, but as an artistic gimmick, it worked in the context of the realism he was wanting to convey. No film is ever going to be as "real", as "real" life, unless it is a doco. It is always going to have that larger than life aspect to it.

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Even docs can be dramatised for entertainment purposes - i really dislike when people go into a movie or TV show expecting every single aspect of it to be realistic

The Wire is the most realistic show i have ever seen and even that had some unrealistic moments

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I just don't think they quite get it sometimes and what the language of cinema is representing. Gibson understands the language of film. What exactly is expected, when it is all just a recreation\reenactment of incidents that happened in the past and a large chunk of a lifetime\era, has to be compressed within 2 to 3hrs? The quality of the writing can help, yet when an actor is playing say an intellectually challenged character, they have to come across as believably as possible within the confines of the script. The actors themselves are intelligent and sharp, so it's not going to be 100% perfect, as their own intellect is going to seep through in order for them to play the character. It is always going to be an imitation game.

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