Westworld : OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born?

After 3.4 million years of Stone Age + about 6,000 years of non-Stone Age look at us, we're The Planet of the Idiots!

We feed our kids the white lies of civilization. The myths. The imaginary things the adults pretend are not imaginary.

There's the myth of "importance" (aka "imperative"). Yet reality is nothing about organic life or about the universe itself is "imperative". There is nothing of "importance" to achieve or avoid. We do what we do but in the end we might as well have not have, the universe had no preference.

There's the myth of "necessity" (aka "need"). Your parents told you you have "needs". But you don't. None of us do. The desire to avoid death does not create a "need" for oxygen. The desire to walk on legs does not create a "need" for legs.

There's the myth of "should". That you "ought" to do something before you die. Reality is there isn't anything you "should" do under any circumstances. Reality is you do what you and the universe will never care about you.

There's the myth of "must" (aka "have to"). That you "must" do something before you die. Reality is there isn't anything you "have to" do no matter what the circumstances are. Reality is you do what you and the universe will never care about you.

There's the myth of "justification". Reality is an organism can't even "justify" breathing the atmosphere.

There's the myth of "laws" and "crimes", "theft" and "murder" (aka "unsanctioned killing"). Making up rules is useful but they're still as made up as the rules for playing chess.

There's the myth of "morally right and morally wrong" where they mix up good and evil with accuracy for you. Reality is the universe doesn't care how evil we are, it isn't checking our behaviour to a script to see if we're reading our lines as stated or comparing our test scores to a card it had in its pocket.
Rape isn't inaccurate and 1+1=6.4 is not evil, morons.

There's the myth of "property" (aka "ownership"). Reality is none of us even "owns" the brain matter we think with.

There's the myth of "deserving". Reality is no one ever "deserved" anything they got and no one ever will.

There's the myth of "owing". Reality is no one "owes" anyone or anyone anything.

There's the myth of "duty" and "responsibility". Reality is a mother has no more "duty" or "responsibility" to take care of her newborn offspring than she has to leave it in a dumpster to die.

There's the myth of "purpose". Reality is a carpenter can't give a chair he's making a "purpose". Anybody can come along and use the chair for whatever they want.

There's the myth of "value" (aka "worth"). Reality is a single atom of oxygen or gold holds the same amount of "value" as a planet-size chunk of oxygen or gold; absolute zero, which is the exact same amount of "value" it held long before organic life came along.

There's the myth of "perfection and imperfection". We often hear no one is "perfect" and it happens to be true but it's true because reality is no one is "imperfect".

There's the myth of "nations". Reality is they're no more real than they were when the landmasses were like one big continent populated by dinosaurs or whatever.

There's the myth of "money" and "the economy" while reality is that's a load of complete horse manure.

All your cultures and all your religions are offensive to me and I wish our ancestors had all died so all seven billion of us now living were never born.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

I agree that we're stupid, take things for granted and go about our lives in ways that would make a outsider think we are insane. But whising that all of us were dead? No. I value all the insights and experiences of humans who have lived and those who will, all of which are richer than any animal on our planet can experience. And I believe in our future, a future where we, as a race, have discovered what's important in life, live to our fullest and doesn't destroy what's around us. Holding on to petty grudges and animosity is a symptom of our illness, drop it.

"Value" and "importance" are myths, they only exist in our imagination.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

What we think is real is real to us, we're limited in many ways and perciving a bias free truth is impossible. Value is real, it has real world implications and as long as you act on it it is there.

No, it is not real because we think it is. "Value" exists only in the imagination. Gold and oxygen had no "value" before organic life came along and it has none now. The universe itself has no "value", it might as well not have existed.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

Such devotion, on the Doctor Strange board as well.
Dont tell me that youve learned all there is and you are the all-seeing, seer of seers, knower of all the things.
Why focus on all the bad stuff, sure things are crap, but within that bubble that you create, why not just dont do what youre doing, do something else.

The thoughts and words that you written and cherish, those are thoughts that cross my mind as well sometimes, and i form my opinion based on observations, and i do have a general disgust for many people.
But, im not actually interested in it, i get confronted with it on a daily base, but normally, you can rely on yourself.
I say normally, because it doesnt work for everybody.
We all have issues, but you really have some issues.
You can write whole diatribes about whatever you want of course, but its a bit extreme to wish were dead and stuff.
Sure, my username has a slight relation to my thoughts about the state of mankind sometimes, but its just fantasy, id never actually want it to happen.
Why not focus on some funny things, or good things, or just, things that have little relation to mankind at all?

Collect the lessons that you take from life (and i dont mean the stuff that youre already obsessing over, get it under control), and make them your own.
I like to learn about nature and physics, although it doesnt make me a physicist or scientist, i can use it to my advantage in daily life, knowing how things work and why they work, observations other than the negative.
Become a better person to yourself and to others.

Find some good comedies and documentaries and lighten up.
Haha damn, never thought id say those words, its total stoner talk, but eh, im done being annoyed about crap like this.
So, im just saying.

I skip reading the bottom line, because it is usually some lame signature.

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Dont tell me that youve learned all there is and you are the all-seeing, seer of seers, knower of all the things.

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Not at all but I see what I see.

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Why focus on all the bad stuff, sure things are crap, but within that bubble that you create, why not just dont do what youre doing, do something else.

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I don't always focus on the bad stuff.

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Collect the lessons that you take from life (and i dont mean the stuff that youre already obsessing over, get it under control), and make them your own.
I like to learn about nature and physics, although it doesnt make me a physicist or scientist, i can use it to my advantage in daily life, knowing how things work and why they work

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No, you don't know why anything works. You may know how they work and part of how it came to be that they work but humans have never really answered a "why question". Why do humans wear shoes? Why does the Sun shine? Why did the Earth form? Why does organic life exist? Why did you eat anything during your lifetime? You think you know why? You don't, what you know is just different aspect of how. How did you eat during your lifetime. The answer to how stretches back further and further in time, past the Stone Age. The answer to why hits a stumbling block immediately.

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Become a better person to yourself and to others.

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I could, and I usually want to, but there's no point. We might as well be extinct.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

Meh, your answers are typical though, remind me very much of similar people on the boards last year who suddenly disappeared, maybe they listened to their own advice after all, doubt it.

So you see what you see, but why should you carry the burden of failures out there?
Sure, i get disappointed a lot too, probably every day has a moment where i cant do nothing else but shake my head in disbelief or embarrassment for our stupidity in general.
But, you can be yourself and create your own narrative, as to stay with the shows topics :)
Im not saying these things because i want to teach you something, because im pretty sure that youve gone through these things already a 1000 times, nothing new to hear here, but still, its more about your own realization.
You see no point in mankind, i cant fully argue that, theres some horrible stuff going on, has been and unfortunately will be continuing.
Thats life, not humans specifically, life is cruel.

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Why do humans wear shoes?

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Google it :)
I can give you a whole explanation about the evolution of footwear, but i doubt that youre actually interested in it, but, there is an explanation for that question at least.

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Why does the Sun shine?

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Physics, gravity is compressing matter towards the center of the Sun, this compression creates several processes, molecules fuse and chainreactions are set in motion.
Photons are also part of this, they are what we perceive as light, these photons are charges within the Sun, trying to escape gravity and taking many thousands of years to break free, then take about 8 minutes to reach Earth and our eyes.
Also, Google it the answers out there.

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Why did the Earth form?

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Physics once again.
When the Sun ignited, it expelled the left over materials out into space.
Instead of all the matter falling back into the Sun, it started to lump together in differing distances from the Sun, as a way to balance the centrifugal forces.
These balances became orbits, and those lumps became planets.
They formed lumps because it is believed that Space-Time is a fabric, and just like on the surface of water, the surface tension acts as a force similar to electromagnetism.
And its electromagnetism, one of the four forces of the Universe, that is the main drive for the formation of planets.
Gravity will take over once its gathered enough mass and momentum.

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Why did you eat anything during your lifetime?

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Because we need energy to move and do things.
Cant believe that youre actually asking this, i thought the shoe question was already questionable.
We cant live on just sunlight and water, we are too complex to be that energy efficient, there has to be a balance.
Lifeforms are only dealt a limited amount of traits, and to gain one, you have to lose another.

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Why does organic life exist?

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Now thats a question, in fact, its THE question, bingo.
Well, yeah, i think its interesting to try and learn more about it, even if life itself is more similar to a creeping mold on a speck of dirt, but i do like the idea of Carl Sagan's words of "We're made of star stuff, we are a way for the Cosmos to know itself".
Dont be afraid of stumbling blocks, it takes time.

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Become a better person to yourself and to others.


I could, and I usually want to, but there's no point. We might as well be extinct.

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This brings me back to my question earlier.
Why should you carry the burden of our mistakes?
You are not the one to pull the plug, and i dont have a taste for the Not-So-Kool-Aid either.
Not to sound too rude, but its like youre dropping this in here and hop back on your thinking stone, which on closer inspection turns out to be a pile of poop.
Because, what is your point then? Are you going to spend your whole life(that you dont wanna live) telling others to also end it? Or at least make them feel miserable enough to agree with what youre saying? Thats kinda nasty.
That wouldnt make things any better, i mean, it could, if it would wake some people up and tried to make a change, but youre not advocating that either, pity.

But we will be extinct some day, so, dont stress.

I skip reading the bottom line, because it is usually some lame signature.

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So you see what you see, but why should you carry the burden of failures out there?

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There is no "should". We do what we do and then that's just how it went.

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Sure, i get disappointed a lot too, probably every day has a moment where i cant do nothing else but shake my head in disbelief or embarrassment for our stupidity in general.
But, you can be yourself and create your own narrative, as to stay with the shows topics :)
Im not saying these things because i want to teach you something, because im pretty sure that youve gone through these things already a 1000 times, nothing new to hear here, but still, its more about your own realization.
You see no point in mankind, i cant fully argue that, theres some horrible stuff going on, has been and unfortunately will be continuing.
Thats life, not humans specifically, life is cruel.

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Okay.

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I can give you a whole explanation about the evolution of footwear, but i doubt that youre actually interested in it, but, there is an explanation for that question at least.

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We can answer how it came to be humans now wear shoes but why is much tricker, maybe impossible. Just like we can answer how it came to be humans exist but not why we exist.

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Physics, gravity is compressing matter towards the center of the Sun, this compression creates several processes, molecules fuse and chainreactions are set in motion.
Photons are also part of this, they are what we perceive as light, these photons are charges within the Sun, trying to escape gravity and taking many thousands of years to break free, then take about 8 minutes to reach Earth and our eyes
Also, Google it the answers out there.

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Again, that's how it shines.

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Physics once again.
When the Sun ignited, it expelled the left over materials out into space.
Instead of all the matter falling back into the Sun, it started to lump together in differing distances from the Sun, as a way to balance the centrifugal forces.
These balances became orbits, and those lumps became planets.
They formed lumps because it is believed that Space-Time is a fabric, and just like on the surface of water, the surface tension acts as a force similar to electromagnetism.
And its electromagnetism, one of the four forces of the Universe, that is the main drive for the formation of planets.
Gravity will take over once its gathered enough mass and momentum.

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Again, that's how it came to be formed, not why it did.

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Why did you eat anything during your lifetime?
Because we need energy to move and do things.

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False, we don't "need", period. We want energy because we can't move and do things for long without it.

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Cant believe that youre actually asking this, i thought the shoe question was already questionable.
We cant live on just sunlight and water, we are too complex to be that energy efficient, there has to be a balance.
Lifeforms are only dealt a limited amount of traits, and to gain one, you have to lose another.

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That is how it came to be that you did eat during your lifetime, not why you did.
And there doesn'"t "have to" be a balance and you don't "have to" gain or lose anything. Just like you and I didn't "have to" be alive yesterday.

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Why does organic life exist?
Now thats a question, in fact, its THE question, bingo.
Well, yeah, i think its interesting to try and learn more about it, even if life itself is more similar to a creeping mold on a speck of dirt, but i do like the idea of Carl Sagan's words of "We're made of star stuff, we are a way for the Cosmos to know itself".
Dont be afraid of stumbling blocks, it takes time.

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*sigh* Why do so many I talk to try to NOT understand what I'm saying?

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This brings me back to my question earlier.
Why should you carry the burden of our mistakes?

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There is nothing I "should" do before, during or after my lifetime.

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You are not the one to pull the plug, and i dont have a taste for the Not-So-Kool-Aid either.
Not to sound too rude, but its like youre dropping this in here and hop back on your thinking stone, which on closer inspection turns out to be a pile of poop.

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*sigh* Go as far back into my posting history as you like and read something.

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Because, what is your point then? Are you going to spend your whole life(that you dont wanna live) telling others to also end it?

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Who am I telling to end it?

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Or at least make them feel miserable enough to agree with what youre saying? Thats kinda nasty.

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So we ignore the truth when we don't like it? When it's inconvenient?

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That wouldnt make things any better, i mean, it could, if it would wake some people up and tried to make a change, but youre not advocating that either, pity.

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What difference does it make what I advocate? Do you want me to lie to people and say "You should be this or that!"?

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But we will be extinct some day, so, dont stress.

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You and I will, future generations of humans might become cybernetic immortals of some kind or another.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

Okay, well, i think you are being obtuse.
You do focus on the negatives, but either youre not aware of it, or you playing around.

Explaining the questions to you, you take it as a way of how things happen, but they are also why they happen.
We dont need to eat? We dont have to be alive?
Good argument
Of course lifeforms arent able to possess every trait into one species, evolution has them gaining some and losing others.
Lifeforms want to survive, so they have to change because nothing stays the same forever, thanks to entropy and local changes.
The photons and gravity is how the Sun shines, but it also tells why it shines, because it wouldnt shine without any of these factors, electromagnetism, gravity etc.
Why those forces act, what matter they interact with, it all explains why these things happen.
Or at least, we can theorize about the why of it all, we create the framework to hang our answers to, sometimes were right, sometimes not.

I know you were just suggesting the questions instead of actually asking them.
Sure, you can take the "why" question as far back as you want, but it would be wise to first understand the processes that would take us back to the beginning.
Like a little kid in its "why" phase, there is nothing wrong with being inquisitive.
Its clear that we dont understand enough yet to make sense out of it, if it even makes sense to begin with.
But the least we can do is describe what we think is going on, maybe that wont satisfy you, maybe we will always be wondering "why".
Because, right now you would know that there is no answer to the 'Why of why's', why would you think that i could answer it just like that on the boards here.
And if i had given you an answer, you probably would dismiss it anyway since i would have no proof to back it up and override your negative perspective.

Youre giving up, sadly though you take it as motivation.
There are more sides to the 'truth', different perspectives and priorities, interests and facets, dude, dont be so narrow minded.
Dont wanna trigger you with whatever might offend people, but youre really showing your limitations, mostly that youve put up for yourself and to yourself.
Ive accepted that mankind is horrible in general, and moved on, im mostly interested in science, nature and music, because the other stuff has been disappointing to me so far. But its enough for me to keep going and being content with being alive as much.
You would probably describe it as putting my head in the sand and lie to myself.
Because thats what people like you usually say.
Stuck in that negative bubble cycle thing.
People arent the most important thing in life, expand your horizon a bit.

Do you really want to know why things happen, or do you just like wallowing in melancholy and depression.
Because it looks like youre not willing to invest into finding an answer.
You want to take the big plunge and want THE Answer right now, instead of getting there slowly but surely, sure it would be handy, but were already long gone before an answer might be found.

I sure wouldve liked it if people were making more progress with the things that im interested in, but were getting there slowly but surely.
And i would like for mankind to survive long enough to get an answer, i know i wont be there for it, but weve come so far, and we might even be the only ones out there, we owe it to the Universe to understand it. The human drama involved along the way of getting there is an unfortunate side effect.
At least, thats what i like to think.

I skip reading the bottom line, because it is usually some lame signature.

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You do focus on the negatives, but either youre not aware of it, or you playing around.

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I try to not get bogged down on positive and negative when the truth.

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Explaining the questions to you, you take it as a way of how things happen, but they are also why they happen.

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You don't even want to understand my point, do you? You can't answer why your parents had you but you can answer how it came to be that they came to had you and the answer stretches back past their births, past the first signs of organic life and past the formation of the planet we're on.

The answer to why does not stretch back at all, it just becomes "Who or what even CAN decide why?". Why did you parents have you? Just throw out a relevant aspect of how that's not false, whether "They wanted to." or "They decided to not have an abortion" or "They were forced to.", and then pretend the question was answered.

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We dont need to eat? We dont have to be alive?
Good argument
Of course lifeforms arent able to possess every trait into one species, evolution has them gaining some and losing others.
Lifeforms want to survive, so they have to change because nothing stays the same forever, thanks to entropy and local changes.

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No, no lifeforms ever "had to" change just like no liferform ever "had to" exist in the first place.

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The photons and gravity is how the Sun shines, but it also tells why it shines, because it wouldnt shine without any of these factors, electromagnetism, gravity etc.
Why those forces act, what matter they interact with, it all explains why these things happen.
Or at least, we can theorize about the why of it all, we create the framework to hang our answers to, sometimes were right, sometimes not.

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You don't even want to understand my point, do you? The answer to how the Sun shines stretches back to before atoms and photons existed, the answer to why instantly collapses into "What gets to decide why anything happened?"

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I know you were just suggesting the questions instead of actually asking them.
Sure, you can take the "why" question as far back as you want, but it would be wise to first understand the processes that would take us back to the beginning.
Like a little kid in its "why" phase, there is nothing wrong with being inquisitive.
Its clear that we dont understand enough yet to make sense out of it, if it even makes sense to begin with.
But the least we can do is describe what we think is going on, maybe that wont satisfy you, maybe we will always be wondering "why".
Because, right now you would know that there is no answer to the 'Why of why's', why would you think that i could answer it just like that on the boards here.

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I don't think you could answer it. That was my point.

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Ive accepted that mankind is horrible in general, and moved on, im mostly interested in science, nature and music, because the other stuff has been disappointing to me so far. But its enough for me to keep going and being content with being alive as much.
You would probably describe it as putting my head in the sand and lie to myself.

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No, I wouldn't. I have no problem with that.

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People arent the most important thing in life, expand your horizon a bit.

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I didn't say they were. In fact I said "importance" is a fiction, a figment, a myth.

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Do you really want to know why things happen, or do you just like wallowing in melancholy and depression.
Because it looks like youre not willing to invest into finding an answer.
You want to take the big plunge and want THE Answer right now, instead of getting there slowly but surely, sure it would be handy, but were already long gone before an answer might be found.

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I feel I've made my counterpoint to that in this post already.

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I sure wouldve liked it if people were making more progress with the things that im interested in, but were getting there slowly but surely.
And i would like for mankind to survive long enough to get an answer, i know i wont be there for it, but weve come so far, and we might even be the only ones out there, we owe it to the Universe to understand it. The human drama involved along the way of getting there is an unfortunate side effect.
At least, thats what i like to think.

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No, we don't "owe" anything anything. You don't "owe" the truth anything, it will simply outlast you and me and all life and time and space itself.


We can figure out how trees grow on this planet and how they came to be on this planet but what or who even CAN decide why they grow on this planet?

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

If life is so bad for you, why not just leave? But DON'T take others with you like all those other cowards who have gone into schools, movie theaters and other places and killed others.

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If life is so bad for you, why not just leave?

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I've been suicidal since 1997. There is no "why". How come I don't off myself? I take it day by day because maybe tomorrow will be different and mankind will look less repulsive. 20 years later I'm stil waiting.

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But DON'T take others with you like all those other cowards who have gone into schools, movie theaters and other places and killed others.

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So you have a preference, organism. What difference does your preferences make? Do people in schools, movie theaters and other places walk around with magical force fields because of your preferences that they not be killed?

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

Ohhh.so you're a nihilist?



That must be exhausting.

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Is this not a reasonable place to park? - Raoul Duke

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No, nihilism is saying life is meaningless. This is existentialism.

And nothing "must" be anything, not even what it is.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

Ok, just a unt then.

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Is this not a reasonable place to park? - Raoul Duke

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Way to bypass the filter, DontMentionThat[bleep]ToMe.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

You are overestimating the presence of humans in universe. Universe doesn't give a *beep* about us. We are just to *beep* tiny to give a damn.

Take a look at how tiny and worthless we are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxXf7AJZ73A






~Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes~

Quoting myself in the OP:
"Reality is you do what you and the universe will never care about you."

So no, I'm not overestimating.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

What a silly question. If I were you I'd take some anti depressants. Sounds like you really need them.


I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!

No one ever "needs". It's a myth since we could simply be long extinct by now.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

You keep falling back to your safety routine, this is your own bubble.
We do need to do things, because life wants to survive, and in order to survive, you need to do certain things.

You keep saying that we dont need anything, but thats your own misconception, or your futile perspective on life, not my problem.
I see you falling back to the same textbook answers on the Doctor Strange board too, hence why i think youre being obtuse, because you refuse to let go of the human factor.

Your life seems to consist of debunking human logic, dismissing purposes and meanings, i find that a bit ironic.

We could simply be extinct now, but we dont need to be extinct, only in your opinion.


I skip reading the bottom line, because it is usually some lame signature.

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You keep falling back to your safety routine, this is your own bubble.
We do need to do things

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No, we don't. We don't "need" to do anything today because we could have died yesterday. It's not a safety routine or a bubble to say the Easter Bunny is a myth when you believe it's a myth and yet people keep repeating it's not a myth but fail to explain how it isn't.

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, because life wants to survive, and in order to survive, you need to do certain things.

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No, just like you don't "need" any unicorns in order to ride unicorns because you want to ride unicorns. If you want to ride unicorns then as a consequence you want unicorns to exist. THAT IS ALL. Desire does not make "need" non-fictional.

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Your life seems to consist of debunking human logic, dismissing purposes and meanings, i find that a bit ironic.

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Myth is not human logic. "Purpose" is a myth and I am not dismissing the meaning of anything by saying the Easter Bunny is a myth.

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We could simply be extinct now, but we dont need to be extinct, only in your opinion.

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I never said we "needed" to be extinct.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

You are the most depressing nihilistic individual I think I've ever met. Until we understand the nature of the universe completely, we can't be sure our existence is truly without purpose or merit. Unless you know something I don't. Just because most human ideas are artificial constructs doesn't mean they're useless, or reflect nothing real. When people go out of their way to reject it all as meaningless garbage they tend to strike me as pretentious. Like they think they're just too clever for the rest of us.

Okay, you want to see life itself as pointless, that it wouldn't matter whether you died today or lived a thousand years, it's all the same in the end, fine. That's a perfectly coherent point of view. But don't dismiss the rest of humanity as deluded fools because most of them don't share it.

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You are the most depressing nihilistic individual I think I've ever met.

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That's existential misanthrope actually.

Nihilism says life is meaningless which it isn't.

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Until we understand the nature of the universe completely, we can't be sure our existence is truly without purpose or merit.

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Yes, we can since "purpose" is a myth. Merit I haven't given any thought to but I guess it depends on what you mean by it.

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Unless you know something I don't.

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Clearly you don't know that "purpose" is a myth.

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Just because most human ideas are artificial constructs doesn't mean they're useless, or reflect nothing real.

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I never said they were useless. It doesn't matter what a fiction reflects, it's still a fiction.

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When people go out of their way to reject it all as meaningless garbage they tend to strike me as pretentious. Like they think they're just too clever for the rest of us.

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Nothing is meaningless.

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Okay, you want to see life itself as pointless, that it wouldn't matter whether you died today or lived a thousand years, it's all the same in the end, fine.

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Everything matters to something but it all remains pointless.

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That's a perfectly coherent point of view. But don't dismiss the rest of humanity as deluded fools because most of them don't share it.

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Humanity is/are egotistically deluded fools who think "importance" and "value" are not myths made up to feel better about themselves.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

The planet would be a much better place if it was free from depressing people like you. A real first world problemist. For every negative thought of humanity, theres a mirror to put into it for positivity. Positivity which carries humanity forward. You and the other depressionists will leave nothing behind. Or change anything. Dont just sit on your ass and complain.

Good luck.

Interstellar - Pruit Igoe and Prophecies

Right, it is the philosophers in deep thought questioning things that don't make the world a better place.

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You and the other depressionists will leave nothing behind.

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Everyone affects the future. Butterfly effect.

"Depressionists"? Is that even a term?

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

The sentiment you're describing is basically fatalism. It's likely that mankind has had cause to curse its existence since the dawn of time (Nietzsche addresses this in the Birth of Tragedy - 'what is more terrible than to exist? To have never existed at all'). That hasn't stopped man from creating many beautiful things and many terrible things as well.

Life is terrible but it is also wondrous. If you deny the latter (and I can understand that some life experiences can lead someone down that path) then you are effectively denying a whole spectrum of human experience.

This is actually a core message of S1 of Westworld and one quite explicitly stated by Ford in the final episode. Mankind was born out of suffering. For the hosts to develop real consciousness, they need to experience suffering.

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The sentiment you're describing is basically fatalism.

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Well no, fatalism is basically that the future is already written.

And I'm not claiming that life isn't wondrous. I just don't like our species because it is self-deluded.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

But that's what you're saying isn't it? Life has no true meaning. Mankind is essentially doomed due to its own stupidity and will eventually disappear in the vastness of space. Might as well get it over and done with as soon as possible?

If we reduce everything to pure materialism, existence and consciousness itself is a delusion. At the point you cease to exist, it doesn't matter whether mankind is instantly rendered extinct in a cataclysm or goes on to grow and perpetuate for millions of years. Your consciousness, whatever that is, will cease to exist so what's the difference? An inability to come to terms with that suggests not an acceptance of 'reality' but a wish that things were otherwise.

What myth motivated you to come to this board and post your life philosophy? The myth that one conscious being can communicate truths to other conscious beings and in some way affect their notion of reality? Or perhaps some impulse within you sought some comfort from externalising your thoughts or perhaps was searching for someone who shared those sentiments?

My argument is that it's more conceited to assert that mankind has no purpose in light of the vast and uncaring universe - an inability to come to terms with our own insignificance and still find meaning in our existence. We should be grateful for the tiny oasis we find ourselves on.