Westworld : Arnold and Ford are the same person…

Arnold is a manifestation of Ford. Arnold was Ford's first robot he built which is based off of himself to help build WW. When Arnold was able to surpass his programming and understood what he was building Ford destroyed him, but not before he was able to transfer himself throughout WW.

or maybe not. Who knows, which is why this show is so darn good.

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Arnold was Ford's first robot he built which is based off of himself to help build WW. When Arnold was able to surpass his programming and understood what he was building Ford destroyed him, but not before he was able to transfer himself throughout WW.

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ha actually no, and I totally even forgot about that movie! hmmmmm that would be too similar. oh well, we shall see.

He destroyed Arnold and built an upgrade, Bernard. Gave him a backstory just like the others, having a wife (who he video calls) and a son who died. Wants to escape his reality just as much as Dolores does, which is why he takes to her so much. They are two sides of the same coin, and her faulty programming is now affecting his.

I've actually been thinking this too, but sort of in reverse.

Ford was Arnold's first robot, and Ford killed Arnold (broke the rule), and took over.

In that sense, yes- Ford and Arnold are the same person, because Ford is playing out Arnold's part as the creator.

The MIB called him out on it, saying that he would have had to dig up a dead man to talk to the "creator". I also found it very interesting that he said "I wonder what I would find if I opened you up" or something along those lines.

If you look at Ford, he basically lives out the way that he said Arnold liked to live: with hosts rather than with humans.

Ford's office is at the lower levels where they store deactivated hosts, and it looks like that floor area was a former office floor that has been run down due to a lack of maintenance. Yet Ford being the boss, chooses to spend his time down there, a lot of times talking and drinking with the cowboy host who was the 2nd host in the park.

Ford also has a clear affection for Dolores, the first host. When he said "I wouldn't say friends" and got emotional about it.

Ford and Delores were either siblings, or they were lovers. That's what I think.

Most of Ford's interactions occur with Bernard, who is very likely a host. His name is an anagram for Arnold's name (their full names). It was also extremely weird in the first episode when Ford asked Bernard if he was here at that time (around 30 years ago), to which Bernard said no. I mean, why wouldn't Ford know how long Bernard has been employed?

Something isn't adding up.

Why would Ford write a code that would allow for the hosts to gain previous memories, and risk them gaining consciousness if that was what he was against the whole time?

The way Ford controls the hosts is scary as well. It seems like he has some kind of link to them. He can deactivate an entire group of hosts with just his finger. During that lunch/dinner scene when he tells the waitress to join the others all of them are already marching uniformly to a certain spot. It is almost like he can control the drilling machines as well.

Something isn't adding up.

hmmm that is interesting. But what about showing Ford's picture when he was younger? Maybe he creates a new body for himself to keep up with reality and hide the truth. We have no idea what state the real world is in though so who knows if people are aging anymore. When the 2 "butchers" were speaking the one that said "based on personality testing in the womb you should have been killed" or something like that, implied that humans are far advanced in genetics.

I like your theory though. I don't think Ford wrote the code, I think Arnold was his first and he gave him free reign, then after seeing what Arnold became he banned it all together. In that sense he is like a God? He created something and wanted to see what would happen. When he wasn't happy with the outcome he tried to destroy it, but can't since he no longer has control over it.

Remember when Logan said his lawyers couldn't find anything, not even find a picture of the partner?

So who knows really.

but if he was in fact a host, then he is surely has some aging tissue. He might even have a whole 'nother lab setup in the park itself. Maybe the laser satellite uplink wasn't being used to smuggle data out of the park, maybe it was being used to smuggle data to Ford's other camp.

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Remember when Logan said his lawyers couldn't find anything, not even find a picture of the partner?

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That was a very ham-fisted exposition by this show. It felt really forced, so it has to have some significance.

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This is the picture of Ford with Arnold:

https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/1811353/size/tmg-article_tall.jpg

"One match, one pistol and one idiot"

So from this week's episode, we get confirmation that that isn't a picture of Ford and Arnold, rather Ford and his Father

Or is is the Father and 'Arnold'

No, Arnold & ford are not the same person.


Let's go get a drink & smoke a cigarette

and you are certain of this because?

watch the conversations again mentioning arnold, & make your own deduction.
it's clear they are not one & the same. There's a big history between ford & arnold which is the secret behind all of ww.

Let's go get a drink & smoke a cigarette

I have, and I am leaning more towards one created the other.

Arnold's picture wasn't Ford?

I am actually leaning to agree with cooliox. I think maybe Ford is the AI. I just re-watched the scene with MIB and Ford, and MIB seems to kind of imply ford might be AI when he mentions opening him up and what Arnold might have left behind (in him).

I thought the picture was of Ford?

an AI that wants to enslave other AI's and act as god. Makes sense given the way Ford also talked to Theresa. It's like he is not really human.

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I think maybe Ford is the AI. I just re-watched the scene with MIB and Ford, and MIB seems to kind of imply ford might be AI

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Sorry, but, I already beat you to it!

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I forget the exact wording of the scene where MiB sat with Ford, but it sure sounded to me like Ford died a long time ago and then was replaced with a robot

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ha fair enough! I am super excited to see how this plays out.

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no they are different people.

Choose your relationships wisely. It's better to be alone than to be in bad company

Dumbest theory yet.

at least one is able to come up with a theory ;)

There is actually a new theory floating around that BERNARD is Arnold.

The theory says that when we see Bernard talking to Dolores "Behind the scenes" it is actually in the past and that it's Arnold planting the seeds in Dolores.

Then flash-forward to Bernard having the affair/dealing with the glitches, and that is a Host version of Arnold.

how can that be true? We see bernard and ford in the same timeline talking about updates to the programming etc and they look the same. Unless they are both robots that have remained in the same physical body for 30+ years it doesn't make sense.

Bernard is a Host that Ford created to look like Arnold.

So Ford aged, Bernard didn't.

I've noticed that when Bernard has his meetings with Dolores he is wearing a dark shirt/lab coat and in all the other (present time) interactions with people he has a shirt and tie.



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that might not mean much though, look at the hosts - one minute they are dressed, and the next minute they are completely naked.

truth is WE KNOW NOTHING. Everyone on this board is reading into every single second of this show, which is quite entertaining to read. Maybe some of these theories will pan out to be true. I do however think it would be odd since Bernard seems to have a wife/ex and kid and is sleeping with a presumed to be human - Theresa who doesn't seem to suspect at all? Wasn't there a reference to his family in episode 3 or 4?

For all we know, WW could be the entire imagination of Ford - and none of it is real.

One bit of symbolism that I am interested to follow is the three dominant colors.

Black, White and Blue.

Black seems to reference the Guests more frequentlyThe Man in Black and the staff like Elsie. The train they arrive in.

White is the HostsThe hosts that meet William in the changing room, the milk they kept drinking in the premiere, the skeletons and "baths" they are created in

Dolores is in Blue, Bernard wears deep navy from time to time, and so does Theresa.


The flies are black, so is the spire Ford talks about. Ford and his little kid are always in Black and White. The church Dolores keeps seeing is Black and White.


It might mean nothingbut it keeps popping up.

hmmmm that is a lot to pay attention to. I will have to watch for in the next episode.

There's also Gray. Teddy often wears a gray suit with black hat. The MiB, interestingly, wears a gray shirt under the black jacket, along with a gray tie. You can see this when he takes off his jacket at the bar before he shoots nearly all of Lawrence's family.

I'm i'm not mistaken, the 2nd host ever built- the one Ford likes to drink with, has a gray hat as well.

That host keeps saying "shall we drink to the lady with the white shoes".

I keep waiting for Dolores to wear white shoes

But there's the color White again

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I do however think it would be odd since Bernard seems to have a wife/ex and kid

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one of the theories is that him talking to his wife is arnold in the past talking to her.

He destroyed him and built an upgrade, Bernard. Gave him a backstory just like the others, having a wife (who he video calls) and a son who died. Wants to escape his reality just as much as Dolores does, which is why he takes to her so much. They are two sides of the same coin, and her faulty programming is now affecting his.

or maybe he built Bernard to find and destroy Arnold - something he cannot seem to do.

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or maybe he built Bernard to find and destroy Arnold - something he cannot seem to do.

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Well does Bernard's wife know she married a Westworld Host? And how did she get pregnant (their son could be a programmed memory) unless she's also a host living in the "real" world for some reason.

I am more and more inclined to think Arnold is a narrative Ford created. Do we have any other proof other than what Ford has told us/others about Arnold. The investigation turned up nothing? Not even a body? No one in corporate or WW seems to know anything about Arnold really.

If we believe Arnold was able to disperse himself throughout WW 34 years ago, you're telling me in all this time nobody else was able to figure out how he did it or where he is. Ford seems to know everything about the MAZE and is not the least bit surprised when talking about it or listening to MiB talk about it. I wonder if he created it along with Arnold to be a part of WW.

Something ain't right. This just seems to all be his game.

I favour the theory that Bernard is robot Arnold. As someone else said his interactions with Delores occurred in the past.

They even alluded to it a couple times this episode that he has been there "a very long time." They're making it obvious.

if Bernard is a robot and he is able to access where the other hosts are you really think he would have never noticed he is a host? I mean its a little far fetched, no?

to be fair, hosts don't know that they are hosts and as we have seen in the latest episode: Some original hosts are not registered in the new system, and no one but Ford has known this for about 30 years. It is possible that there are some hosts that are not even registered with the original system. Secondly, to add to the prior point, it was shown that Ford has the ability and the facility to maintain hosts by himself, without anyone else knowing.

bump. they both cannot connect to humans (based off of what ford says about Arnold).

Ford is incapable of human connection it seems. I am thinking they are the same person. He has multiple personalities.

I'm not certain, because the hosts are talking to "Arnold", while lying to Ford about it.

Perhaps because Ford has programmed them to interpret their internal commands as the voice of Arnold.



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you guys, did you see the trailer for next weeks episode!!! Freeze/put in slow motion when MiB drags Delores to the barn.

I must be missing something. What are you seeing?

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