Mr. Robot : One scene fail of epic proportions

One scene fail of epic proportions

this show was recommended to me but the very opening scene was offending to my intellect. your main character is basically a social justice warrior, in other words, utter scum. a pathetic do-gooder exposing some child pornography provider or whatever to the (get this!) police! LOLOLOL our hero ladies and gentlemen. he's so anti-social he rats out people to the police. a lot of critical thinking there, yeah. very anti-social too in caring about abused children. sure, children are valuable to the wannabe autist loner, because... ahem. why exactly?! and 400 000 users of that guy's website? don't make me *beep* laugh. the majority of people hate child pornography more than they hate anything else they should hate (e.g. their enslavement by "their" government), so let's use that as the opening scene for our revolutionary show? no. that doesn't work whatsoever. oh and the way he brags about it... can you make a person more hateful? and he's supposed to be the figure you identify with?!!??!?

any other solution of this situation would have been better. ANY OTHER SOLUTION THAN THIS CLAPTRAP! and it should not have existed in the first place, since this was supposed to target corporations, not individual people!

so whom does that *beep* try to appeal to? actual hackers? anarchists? free thinkers? all of those hate nothing more than the police. what kind of *beep* retard wrote this premise?! it's disgusting on a more than average level, which means I'd rather watch the *regular* propaganda America spews out these days. I've not seen something this stupid in my life!

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Child pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry and one of the fastest growing online businesses.



Hail to the king, baby.

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I just don't think you're going to like this show, but I'll try:

It's called a plot device. Ron's coffee shop means nothing to what is about to transpire, but first episodes are meant for (in addition to other things) character development. The Elliot you saw is the nice guy who *does* care. Forget about why, it will matter more later.

Who does it appeal to? Lot's of people, even hackers. Maybe even some anarchists who would rather see the world burn would also not like to think about guys jerking off to toddlers and pre-teens, especially slave porn stars. It's just wrong.

But that's not the point: if you can see past the first EP, there are (at least) two sides to Elliot. I'm not going to use the S word, but the side you see busting Ron is at odds with the other Elliot who later gets things done, no matter how ugly.

As for your point about him using the police, get ready for disappointment, because he does it more than just this once. It's not because he's trying to be socially correct, he just uses the system (all and any part of the system) as a means to an end. It serves him very well closed to the end of the 2nd season.

And if Elliot was real, I think he would probably take offense to you giving him such a stupid title as the over-popular SJW. You should forget that label, it's just lame.

Look, this is a television drama on a somewhat major cable network. It has to pass SOME minimum muster to get aired. But it's still leaps and bounds above most of the other crap the networks are choking down the throats of the western world and beyond.

Be sure to proof your posts to see if you any words out

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Wow guy you are really clueless.

First off of course most people will say they hate child pornography like most people will say they hate racism but on their computers its a different story. Do you have any idea how many child porn sites are out there? Yeah guy child porn is a BIG THING. Its not bigger because yeah its illegal so those people are all driven underground and a lot of people are smart enough to stay off a computer.

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You used the words social justice warrior. Your argument is invalid.

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Oh Jesus F. Christ. It's so lame to hate childporn because it's mainstream to hate childporn! Now I've read it all.

They try to appeal to normal people, as many as they can. Why on earth would you think anything else?

I pray to god you're a teenager.

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Excellent! Yes, it is a specious argument at best and nauseating at worst. Is this not the same disgusting argument that Trump used to justify grabbing women's genitals and rating them like cattle...because it's "what guys do" or it's "just locker room talk'? Jesus...I hope he's a teenager too, but that doesn't mean he'll learn. Sounds more to me more like some middle aged perv who really DOES like child porn and despises socialism, esp. redistribution of wealth, which is what Mr. Robot is really all about.


I followed all the rules...and you followed none of them. And they all loved you more.

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socialism, esp. redistribution of wealth, which is what Mr. Robot is really all about.



Is Mr. Robot really all about this? Is that even what socialism is all about?

Socialists hate the gold standard, love fiat currency. This series begins by decrying the loss of the gold standard and wailing against the evils of fiat currency.

If Mr. Robot is truly pro-Socialism, then I'd say his understanding of Economics and History is confused and naive and populist.

And that might be... the economic fallout aspect has been very poorly handled by the writer.

But Mr. Robot seems less about all of this and more about revenge. Nice that the characters can justify their vengeance by saying they're trying to "save the world", but they've done little else other than attack the one corporation.

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This is interesting:


But Mr. Robot seems less about all of this and more about revenge.


because I mentioned revenge as one of Elliot's main motivations for the hack and lots of other things, but was shot down on one thread by people who thought that this was not noble enough or something like that. I think his motives are about both things.

The Mr. Robot part of him obviously is more interested in socialism, i.e. redistribution of wealth, since he says exactly that on the Ferris wheel in the first episode ("The largest redistribution of wealth in history"). How is this not Socialism? It does not always have to involve money. I think that the complaints about killing the gold standard have more to do with creating a system in which money can literally be worth nothing and prices for anything and everything can be (and are) inflated beyond inherent worth, as in the housing bubble and subsequent bust and recession.

I will agree that the economic fallout has been handled badly, but then, we're not dealing with revolutionaries like Marx or Engels; these are hackers and nerds. This is probably Esmail's intent.

I also agree that going after one corporation is a bad idea. Then again, Mr. Robot warned them that the follow-through was the most important part...and the hardest.


-Those we should know elude us. But we can...love without complete understanding.

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Thank you for your response!

I should qualify my criticism by saying that this is a TV show and as such will slow play things (like the economic fallout) beyond what would occur in real life. I suppose I should accept that, but I'm a movie guy and tedious slow-play pisses me off, lol.

I agree with your comment about motivations... but have reservations about whether we are talking about human beings, or humans in the normal sense in this series.

But when it comes to Socialism... At the start of season 1, the show specifically states they're going after the monetary system (and they hold this theme thru the series thus far with the references to eCoin and bitcoin), they destroy debt... and the Greenback's value is all about the value of future debt.

Wealth can be re-distributed in many ways--from the extreme of revolution to the other extreme of governments rationing wealth.

The rationing concept, say like Universal Income, is Socialism. Destroying the monetary system is wealth distribution, but it is not an ongoing government policy. It is not Socialism.

Fiat currencies--ie the ability to print money--exist to permit governments to grow. In particular to pay for War. Welfare is the bribe to us. Cronyism and Regulation are the payoffs to the corporate world.

The societies that have historically existed under Socialism have had the greatest income disparities of all time... 99+ percent peasantry governed by less than 1 percent of elites, with winners and losers and favorites (corruption and cronyism) being chosen by those elite government types. The trend towards more Socialism in the West has created the same disparities.

RUR, the source of the term "Robot", is an anthem against Feudalism. Eastern Europe had not seen the free enterprise of the UK and the USA and the rest of the West post-1800. The A-H Empire only ended with WWI.

So as far as Feudalism goes... What is the difference between your Masters being the Head of State, or... the State? You still owe fealty. You are still without true freedom. Freedom is not a feature of any Socialist society. Nor is dissent. For eg. the rise of political correctness and the restriction it places on free speech is essentially a Socialist side effect.

It's hard for me to believe that a writer thinks destroying the present Socialist monetary system and thus War/Welfare government is a Socialist act.

Or at least for him not be aware of the issues.

Mr. Robot has been careful not to put itself in political boxes. After an election campaign that featured a Criminal vs. a Clown--and the resulting real world Twitter War since--that's probably a smart thing.






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Well put, inexile. I didn't like the show at the beginning because it seemed to anti-business and trying too hard to be edgy, but it has gotten much better over the course of the series. I usually think of anti-corporate types being pro-government, but the protagonists take down the monetary system (a tool that primarily benefits the state) so overall they don't necessary seem left-leaning nor right-leaning.
I get anti-authoritarian vibes from the series and I am cool with that.

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Then again, Mr. Robot warned them that the follow-through was the most important part...and the hardest.



I'm sorry, but I think it is pretty obvious by this point in the series that he is referring to Stage 2, not replacing the collapsing food and energy grief.

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you. I reply because you're pretty damn smart.

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