Poldark : Who has read the series?

Who has read the series?

argh! I'm on The Miller's Dance. I just can't read fast enough!

Does Jeremy Warleggen end up a bad guy? Also - is Clowance's fiance bad too? The way its written it goes back and forth so you don't exactly know if they're just young men acting as such or if they're truly just not good people.

Honestly I never thought I'd get into these books the way I have - the steam engine makes my eyes glaze over - but they're really easy to read and you really get attached to the characters.

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Stephen is not a very nice or honourable man and I never did understand her attraction to him. Jeremy turns out to be a wonderful, sweet and lovable character, the episode that you are asked about was adolescence high jinx.

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Cookie you know I haven't read the books but I wanted to ask...we know there is a Jeremy Poldark...so there is also a Jeremy Warleggan? Who is he if you care to briefly explain.

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No Jeremy Warleggan, only Jeremy Poldark. Elizabeth had three children, Geoffrey Charles Poldark, Valentine Warleggan and Ursula Warleggan. Ursuala was born about a week prior to Elizabeth's demise. So, George, to all intents and purposes but probably not biologically, fathered Valentine and Ursula. He later had twin daughters with his second wife Harriet - so suck eggs, George, no natural son for you LOL .

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Thanks Marmalade..the OP asked if Jeremy Warleggan was a bad guy so I was a bit confused. Elizabeth died a week after one of her babies was born? Oh my. I didn't know that either. No worries. Spoilers do not bother me one bit.

Suck eggs? Ahh you're getting vicious! LOL!

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OK, spoiler alert for others .... in the first series, because Aunt Agatha had put the seed of doubt into George's head about Valentine's parentage, he made Elizabeth's life a bit hellish, often accusing her of loving Ross and George ignored Valentine from when he was about 2 years old, so when Elizabeth was pregnant with Ursula and they were in London, she saw Dr Anselm who gave her a vial of medicine (he called it a herbal medication of his own concoction) that she could take when either 7 or 8 months' pregnant to bring on labour. She had told him she wanted to give birth early so that her husband would believe Valentine was his too (ie having a second premature birth could prove Valentine was born early too). Dr Anselm told her 7 months would be better because of the position of the baby. She took it when she was about 7 months pregnant, went into labour and gave birth to Ursula. She suffered complications from the birth/medication, developed gangrene in the legs and died. George was shattered. He later on (much later on) reflects that none of Elizabeth's children looked like her - Geoffrey Charles was like Francis, Valentine was like Ross and Ursula was a true-blue Warleggan - from memory, in the books, she was described as being (using a common Australian term) "built like a brick $h1t house".

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Wow! Thank you. Sounds like we have a lot to look forward to provided the series goes on to include it. Even the name "Ursela" seems fitting for someone built like a brick house.LOL.

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Oh thats why Liz in Series 3, thought she had her demise after Valentine, never realised she had another later on

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(based on MarmaladeT's spoiler)
A medication used to bring on or quicken labour, that would have caused gangrene, must have been ergot.

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Heh! Heh! Heh!

I've read one and a half books. 😀

My library only had one in the series, Demelza. After reading and enjoying it I purchase The Angry Tide. I just had to know what happened to Lizzie.

Poor Georgie Porgie got his as well ... 😀

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Does Jeremy Warleggen end up a bad guy?

Since Valentine turned out to be a Poldark in disguise, Jeremy Warleggan would be a great twist, and one worthy of Winston Graham's somewhat diabolical later novels. But poor Demelza. Hasn't she suffered enough? :)

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Since Valentine turned out to be a Poldark in disguise


The jury is still out about that because if Valentine was Ross' he would have been a very late baby and look nothing like a premature baby. Forty-one weeks between May 9th and February 14th.

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Would he have been very late? Elizabeth agrees to marry George and Ross goes over there and does his business. Elizabeth then talks George into waiting a month before getting married. They get married then Valentine is born a month 'early.' Wouldn't he have been close to right on time?

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Your due date is calculated by adding 280 days (40 weeks) to the first day of your last menstrual period (assuming a 28 day cycle). Note that your menstrual period and ovulation are counted as the first two weeks of pregnancy. If you deliver on your due date, your baby is actually only 38 weeks old, not 40.


So if it is 41 weeks until Elizabeth has a baby, then the baby would have been 3 weeks late and that is very late for a second baby.

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But - Geoffrey Charles saying a young Valentine looks just like Uncle Ross and Verity saying he reminded her of Ross' father - that's just a coincidence?

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Just telling you that there were 41 weeks between May 9th and February 14th. The only one that had suggested that Valentine wasn't George son was Aunt Agatha and that was done out of spite. The only person that knew for sure if Valentine was George's son or Ross' was Elizabeth and she chose not to divulge that information thus allowing the uncertainty of Valentine parentage to go on for decades.

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allowing the uncertainty of Valentine parentage to go on for decades

Can you tell us what happened to Valentine in the books? I understand his was not a happy story but I don't know the details.

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Valentine is a great deal like Ross' father, who was a libertine and a rogue but while he was married to Ross' mother he was a faithful husband. Unfortunately, even that couldn't be said about Valentine. Was Valentine like this because he was a throwback to Joshua or was it because he was an indulged young man that was acting out to get the attention of George, nobody knows for sure.

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Valentine is a great deal like Ross' father, who was a libertine and a rogue but while he was married to Ross' mother he was a faithful husband.

Thank you.
It is interesting that Ross did not have those tendencies, even before Demelza steadied him further.

he was an indulged young man that was acting out to get the attention of George

In the nature-v/s-nurture debate, I fall on the side of nurture.

Does Valentine live through all the books?

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No.

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Is it a first edition, unedited? 😉

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Of course it is, cakes - isn't that the only kind? 😉

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Oops - I meant Valentine Warleggen.

I was sure Jeremy would end up a good guy, he seemed like it.
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