The End of the Tour : Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

My girlfriend and I went into this movie not knowing anything about it. It felt like there were dozens of insinuations that DFW was gay. Did anybody else feel this way?

*The "you're such a handsome guy" compliments.
*After Jesse talked about his complicated love life, DFW responds with "My interest are very divergent to yours."
*DFW was noticeably jealous EVERY time Jesse spoke to another woman.

Part of me thinks they did this on purpose, and the purpose of the final conversation involving heroin being the "spicy story, but not the truth of it" was indicative of the way the story was told. We thought there was going to be a spicy love story, but that simply didn't happen. Thoughts?

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I really don't think that he was gay, so I'll try to explain my view:

* I compliment my friends quite often if they look good (new haircut etc). Which I don't think makes me a homosexual in any way. Being 27 years old I surely would have known by now if I was gay. Lipsky said that to him as an admirer and a fan. Being a really open, flirtatious person it was a natural ice-breaker for him, where Wallace complimented him back out of sheer nervousness.

*Lipsky seemed like a bit of a player to Wallace, who clearly had a problem with Lipskys view on relationships. The one thing Wallace longed for was a person who would love him for who he is. Someone waiting for him at home and someone to share his mental state with.

*This person seemed to be his old High school sweetheart Betsy. He was clearly still in love with her. His low self-esteem caused him to react this way when he saw Lipsky getting her e-mail address.

Hope this is enough as an answer!

Re: Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

Nope. You are both idiots.

Re: Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

What are you talking about? Telling someone they're handsome doesn't make you homosexual. Asking someone not to hit on a girl you have feelings for while having a girlfriend is pretty normal. There was nothing homosexual about their relationship and you and you're "girlfriend" are both delusional.

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The movie was about being human and authentic and real. It was the kind of man David Foster Wallace was. Lipsky mentions Wallace having been suicidal or depressed while on the airplane. I assume Wallace was just telling a guy the advice he heard when he was dealing with depression.

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that was purely bromance!!! You cut in in with a knife throughout the movie

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Your comment is so far off the mark it's not funny - just kind of sad.

BTW males who are comfortable in their heterosexuality feel no awkwardness about giving a male a compliment or otherwise sharing an opinion about another male's appearance, whether in that male's presence or not. I find it interesting that you started off your comment by mentioning your girlfriend even though you having a girlfriend or not is not at all relevant in this context. Maybe it's time you took a good hard look at yourself because I suspect you may be harboring a secret desire to bury your penis in a male orifice of some description. Just saying.

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Why is everyone attacking me? Both of us thought something was being insinuated. Also, I was vice president of the Queer/Straight Alliance and am openly bisexual, so screw you all for jumping straight to homophobia. This movie was beyond dull, and a sexual relationship between the two of them would at least have spiced things up.

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Homophobia? I'm not afraid of *beep* They can do what they like. I won't judge. However, there was nothing gay about the interaction between the two male leads. Your comment just makes no sense but instead strongly indicates a preoccupation, even obsession with homosexuality. Maybe it's time to stop sitting around jacking off to violent *beep* porn all day and watching *beep* movies and time to instead go out and get a job. Are *beep* prostitutes legal in your country? If not just come to New Zealand and you can make some good coin being a *beep* whore.

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Why is everyone attacking me? Both of us thought something was being insinuated.


Well now, we can’t very well attack the other person, who isn’t here.


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Re: Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

It sounds like wishful thinking to search for a homosexual subtext in everything these days. The real man was criticized for allegedly dating female students early on but he was a married man when he died. It was his wife who found his body.

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OP GAYDAR recalibration STAT.

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Re: Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

In real life, Wallace had an obsessive relationship with memoirist Mary Karr, got her named tattooed on his body, and plotted (while on drugs and alcohol) to kill her husband. He was married to painter Karen Green for several years. He also had multiple affairs with female students and was well known for his stalkerish behavior. There is no evidence he was gay or bi. He had obsessively insane relationships with women.

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This movie didn't really depict Wallace. The movie was more like someone that read Wallace and talked about Infinite Jest and life like a hipster. That wasn't what he was like.

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Re: Was a homosexual relationship insinuated the entire movie?

From my perspective, no.


I thought the film accurately portrayed a platonic friendship between two heterosexual males who connect on an intellectual level and gradually became more emotionally intimate. It's interesting you bring it up though because I remember thinking that certain scenes, in the hands of a more sensationalized filmmaker could have been portrayed with sexual tension (the you're attractive comment, the presenting of the guest bedroom to Lipsky, the goodnights in the hotel hallway), but instead were played with accurate platonic awkwardness.

*I think the 'you're handsome' comment by Lipsky was part flattery and part to get Wallace to open up about questions of commercialism in the literary world and to get a sense of his self-image. The comment did throw me off as a viewer though because I never thought of DFW as being a handsome man. Although, I guess in the literary world he might have been above average in that regard.

*I'll admit, I don't specifically remember that line of dialogue. Although if he said "My interests are very divergent to yours" in response to Lipsky talking about his love life, I think Wallace may be trying to imply that he is less focused on having a love life and more focused on his literary work. After all he did later gleefully proclaim that he is happier living with only dogs rather than living with a lover.

*I'm not sure how Wallace getting jealous of Lipsky speaking to one of his female friends/ex-lovers would imply homosexuality. It seems to imply the exact opposite to me. It seems to imply that Wallace has sexual interests in these woman and is upset/intimidated by Lipsky stealing their attention away from him.

I don't really see any of these plot points as implying homosexuality. And I definitely didn't see any sexual tension portrayed in Eisenberg and Segel's performances. I thought that in moments where a more sensational approach could have inserted sexual tension, these two actors instead accurately portrayed the occasional awkwardness that accompanies platonic friendships between heterosexual males.

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No homosexual attraction, just two nerdy and slightly awkward guys trying to find common ground with each other. The "you're a handsome guy" comment was a little bit strange but I think that was just DFW's usual brand of quirky, self-deprecating humor.

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