Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens : What if Rey was able to use the Force so effectively because…

What if Rey was able to use the Force so effectively because…

...Luke possessed her?

This is one conjecture that I've never seen anybody suggest before. It's, of course, not a power that we've ever seen used before, but it's not a far cry from the use of mind tricks or even the ability to influence the mass majority of a massive legislature (aligning very closely with their "passions and prejudices").

Maybe Luke was stranded on Ahch-To, with no telecommunication tech, leaving him only with the option of trying to face down the First Order (or arranging for his own rescue) through establishing telepathic links with other beings, particularly willing ones.

Thoughts?

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...no.

"Not all change is progress, as not all movement is forward."

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...no.
It would clear up the assumption of the worst about Luke. At the same time, it would explain the mysterious aspects of what is depicted. I should certainly hope that Johnson thought of something better, because there really isn't much else that could possibly pull the story out of the swamp.

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Well it's no worse than Rey be the reincarnated Anakin Skywalker resulting in the little girl being Luke's father

Re: What if Rey was able to use the Force so effectively because…


Well it's no worse than Rey be the reincarnated Anakin Skywalker resulting in the little girl being Luke's father
The messiah approach can be taken by the writers without implying that Rey is a reincarnation of Anakin specifically. Depending upon how it works, the Chosen One is like a lifetime occupation granted to just one random being upon conception and held by one being at a time. The idea of "possession", however, allows a thing like this to be more flexible and fickle. But it seems unfair if spirits are behind it rather than a mortal and ceaseable actor.

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It was a fan theory to explain Rey's level of Jedi mastery plot devices

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Or Luke taught his daughter the ways of the Jedi before he left her on Jaku.

It all came back to her.

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Or Luke taught his daughter the ways of the Jedi before he left her on Jaku.
It's the bit about leaving her on Jakku that's somewhat bothersome, how she wound up being placed directly in the care of Unkar Plutt instead of Lor San Tekka. It's weird, almost like she was being reprimanded, but maybe her family was seriously in debt to Plutt.


It all came back to her.
I could go with that. I used to suggest such a speculation all the time. The mystery lay in how she forgot how to perform mind tricks or do the big stuff like move objects without touching them. Some fans have suggested it had something to do with Kylo Ren telepathically probing her mind. He undoubtedly saw something in her mind that looked like Ahch-To, which could've been a memory or a premonition (somehow a memory of the future, seeing as how she does visit the place), if not another form of connection entirely (perhaps seeing through Luke's eyes). She may have observed some of Kylo's training memories, she may have unlocked more of her own training memories, or she may have invited something.

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Or Luke taught his daughter the ways of the Jedi before he left her on Jaku.

It all came back to her.

Do you exercise critical thinking?

She was 5 when she got abandoned on Jakku. How fcking much does a 5-year-old learn by the age of 5 before stopping entirely for 15 years probably from some convenient memory wipe? The minimal basics? For 15 years that minimal training never atrophied from lack of use at all? And also that minimal training was apparently enough to defeat a Dark Jedi skilled and powerful enough to kill Luke's entire order and who's been actively training for at least 15 years?

It all came back to her? WHAT THE FCK EXACTLY CAME BACK TO HER? At the age of 5 she would've been skilled enough to defeat the current Kylo Ren in ligthsabers and the Force? Is that what you're really saying? If she's that fcking powerful, why the fck didn't Luke keep her and train her? Why did he become a loser deadbeat dad who leaves her in the hands of some A-hole like Unkar Plutt? What if she starved to death? What if she got killed? What if she just left the godforsaken planet and fcked off to some other part of the galaxy where she gives no fcks about the galaxy? Why didn't he give her to Han and Leia? Or Lando fcking Calrissian?

"Not all change is progress, as not all movement is forward."

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And also that minimal training was apparently enough to defeat a Dark Jedi skilled and powerful enough to kill Luke's entire order and who's been actively training for at least 15 years?
The start of the BS is when the Skywalker lightsaber shot right past Kylo Ren and directly into Rey's hand; a complete "WTF?" moment. Even as distraught, injured and exhausted as he was, he still managed to telekinetically fling her into a tree just moments earlier. At no point did he look like he was losing motor function due to blood loss. Does the ability to use the Force drastically deteriorate with severe pain? Perhaps so. But to that extent? It does seem odd, I'd agree.

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The start of the BS is when the Skywalker lightsaber shot right past Kylo Ren and directly into Rey's hand; a complete "WTF?" moment. Even as distraught, injured and exhausted as he was, he still managed to telekinetically fling her into a tree just moments earlier. At no point did he look like he was losing motor function due to blood loss. Does the ability to use the Force drastically deteriorate with severe pain? Perhaps so. But to that extent? It does seem odd, I'd agree.

And Rey didn't even look like she was struggling to Pull the lightsaber against his Pull. She looked surprised it even happened.

Hell, Vader got struck on the shoulder in ESB and all it did was make him angrier.
The problem with Kylo's gut wound is it is never conveyed to become an obvious factor at all. She didn't win because he lapsed in a critical moment and she took advantage with a dirty tactic. No, she won because she became suddenly better at everything he was.

Its like that damn song "Anything you can do I can do better".

"Not all change is progress, as not all movement is forward."

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Do you exercise?

Yeah, I didn't think so. Calm down, basement dweller. It's just a throw-away theory.

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Do you exercise?
He practices.

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Right? So critical thinking tells us she was untrained...so how'd she become so uber powerful?

I'll only accept one of two answers:
1-Luke controlled her like a puppet(if that's the case it would have been a much easier win for Rey)
2-Wish fulfillment writing

Either answer doesn't save this pile of sht film, and still ruins the direction of the franchise.


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There may be some other ways to get around the wish fulfillment writing, but none of them improve Luke's character.

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Anybody else?

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The theory I'm willing to believe is Rey is the Chosen One. In the prequels the Jedi Council believed Anakin to be the Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force. But since he turned evil that task was left unfulfilled. Seeing as there was no talk of the Chosen One in the originals, having been made before the prequels obviously maybe the writers could bring back that idea here. Of course that might make the possibility of Rey being Luke's daughter more likely seeing as she would then be Anakin (the supposedly original Chosen One)'s granddaughter.

The funny thing is that I don't believe Rey is Luke's daughter. Too many things don't add up for that to be true, mainly the fact that Jedi are meant to be chaste like priests and even if Luke did have a child then surely Han and Leia would have known about it considering the fact Rey was 5 years old when she was abandoned.

I think the identity of Rey's parentage is more closely linked to the identity of Snook. He most likely is her father, perhaps a former Jedi turned Sith Lord. It would also be a nice contrast with Snook using Luke's nephew as an instrument of evil and Luke using Snook's daughter as an instrument of good.

Thoughts?

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The theory I'm willing to believe is Rey is the Chosen One.
It could be that the One has some unfinished business or that the Force had fallen out of balance again.

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Well, thanks for the replies. (Note: The copy of this "what if" on The Last Jedi board fared better.)
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