It's certainly better than that piece of sh/t The Dark Knight Rises that you love so much
More respected and appreciated by critics.
Better box office returns
Didnt turn the lead character into an idiot.
The characters don't all act completely contradictory to their nature
Didn't have to fake the death of a main character in order to illicit an emotion response.
It was actually recognized by the Academy.
Far better pacing.
Certainly a more enjoyable film that wasn't over stuffed and over long.
It isn't chocked full of exposition.
follow the depressed and now stupid Bruce Wayne as he moped around
Id rather follow Rey and piece together the reasons that she's so good at everything
He's basically doing what Bruce was doing at the beginning of TDKR.
.him being a double crossing smuggler is EXACTLY his nature.
"TDKR is meant to be deliberately slow and boring".
It's not a better film...and certainly not as enjoyable.
Almost everything he does in the first 2 acts is completely idiotic.
Trusting the piece of trash
. Basically screws it all up and aids in Bane's escape
He's up against a villain who doesn't even want to kill him.
It's ok for Luke doing it be ause we don't have t be bored with watching it
The entire point of Empire Strikes Back is not that Han is no longer a scoundre
he had to trust her need for the clean slate device
Who do you think is going to be more wanted by police??
So...Rey faces a villain who doesn't want to kill her and you've got a problem with it
You think it's the same thing between Bruce and Luke??
Han is exactly the same person in Empire as he was in A New Hope.
That's exactly it. He assumed he had leverage on her to get her to do what he wanted but didn't count on Bane getting to her first. Not being able to read minds or see the future does not make him stupid.
It;s not the police's job to delegate or decide which crime is worse than the other or who they need to follow.
Bruce did invite the police to chase him but he can't be held responsible for the police choosing to let a known criminal go when they could've afforded to
If not for Bruce the chase would've gone on much longer and Bane would most likely have still escaped.
I never said that. I posed that as a question, You have no problem with Rey fighting a Villain who doesn't intend to kill her but you do with Batman?
I'd actually rather fear for a character's well-being.
Your words, Not mine.
And he changes and grows as a person by joining the Rebels. After Return of the Jedi, There's no good reason that Han should revert right back to that when he's grown beyond it.
Assuming the worst of someone who has robbed you,
A murderer (especially of police officers) is going to get all of their attention over an armed robber.
What in the hell did he think was going to happen?
They were being chased by the entire Gotham police department
You're ok with Bruce being a burn out, but Luke can't be?
His lady isn't too fond of him and his son turned out to be a homicidal maniac
They didn't like it that Bruce became a weak, crippled pansy.
Again he had leverage on her and didn't know Bane had got to her first, Following her does not equate to "trusting her"
Selina Kyle had no personal grudge against Bruce Wayne nor any idea what Daggett and Bane intended to do with Wayne's fingerprints.
The cops offer to break off and pursue Bane, It's Foley that orders them to stay on Batman's tail. Bane escaping is the result of Foley's idiocy not Batman's
Batman's intervention is what saves the hostages and takes down all of Banes men. Helps to actually watch the movie when critiquing it.
I never said I wasn't okay with Luke being a burn-out, I'm just asking you why is it okay for Luke to be that way but not Bruce.
it's rather hard to picture why Luke would just abandon everyone in their hour of need.
So his solution is to regress and turn his back on everything while the galaxy goes to pieces? Questionable to say the least.
"Bruce trusted Selina to lead him to Bane safely."
Next, does it matter if she knows what their exact plan is?
If he doesn't foolishly get in the way, that would never have happened.
You act like those hostages were doomed and escape was guaranteed without Batman.
Luke ran off to find the original Jedi temple after everything he had built came crashing down. He failed to re-establish the Jedi.
he's a questionable character. He's a scoundrel.
Selina outright stated that Batman "didn't trust her", Why would she say that if he did?.
She'a thief hired to do a job, She doesn't have any malicious intent towards Bruce himself.
you can't actually believe the police would've been able to take down Bane and rescue the hostages safely on their own.
You think he could've waited to do that until he helped take care of Kylo Ren and the First Order instead of just leaving Leia and the Resistance to fend for themselves.
Which he should've grown up from after Return of the Jedi. I'm not saying it's a big problem it's just kind of disappointing in retrospect after all that growth he did in Empire.
That comment was very off the cuff.
Anyone with half a brain would know that if someone needs to steal someone else's fingerprints, it's probably a big deal.
You have the entire police force,
If the question is "Pick One", which way do you go?
. So what? Make your point with this Luke *beep* already.
What growth did he go through that tells you later in life he should be long past being a scoundrel?
Doesn't change the fact that it makes no sense for her to say that if Batman trusts her.
Yeah, I'm sure she knows that but that doesn't mean she stole them because she knew Daggett was gonna screw Bruce over
Except it clearly wasn't the entire police force
The data transfer is complete either way and there's no way Bane wouldn't have a plan in place to avoid capture by the cops. At least in the first option, All the hostages are saved which is the important thing.
My point is I think TDKR pulled that aspect off a bit better because Bruce left the city of Gotham a better place and didn't abandon it in it's hour of need.
Let me reiterate, Me matures as a character in Empire
Clearly was said in jest.
I'm sure Daggett just wanted to help Bruce get a jump start on his 2013 taxes or something.
How many would it take to catch 3 dudes on bikes??
When you let the psycho who intends to murder everyone get away...it's only a matter of time before those people end up dead anyways.
No, he really doesn't
The fact that he chooses to stick with the Rebels throughout the story is clear proof that he does