Star Wars: The Force Awakens : So to the haters...

So to the haters...

You didn't like this? This isn't Star Wars for you? Well then how about this... make your own star wars movie. Now tell me you can't because of the budget? I've seen wonderful Star Wars fan films shot on a $5 budget. I don't have actors? I garuntee you the local theatre in your area may have a few people handy. I don't have the time? Then how come you're on here arguing on message boards when you could be making a film? I don't know how to make a film? We have a wonderful thing called the internet. Thank you. Now don't tell me you can, show me you can. Thank you.

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If we went by that stupid logic, nobody would be allowed to criticize anything. Including the chef who makes $hite food and probably gave you poisoning.

"Not all change is progress, as not all movement is forward."

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Roses are red
Violets are blue
The movie is bad so as your post.

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Wow... good poetry

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To some people, the Star Wars fandom has become an excuse to express their rage at anything but the original trilogy.

No wonder Lucas gave up on trying to please them, and Disney decided to do the same.




“Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!

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Disney decided to do the same.

Are you stupid lol? All Disney was trying to do with TFA was please SW fans. Disney has not and never will give up on trying to please the fans because Disney is all about milking their new cash cow.

Sheesh, do you people not use your brains before writing posts? You are fully right about Lucas though.

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If you'd actually read my post, you'd see I was referring to the people who treat this fandom as a place "to express their rage at anything but the original trilogy". Ten years ago this subset of fan was calling George Lucas the spawn of Satan because he made the prequels, now they're saying the prequels are genius and Disney's use of a female heroine is going to make their wieners fall off.

Sure, Disney is trying to please the fans who are rational and still capable of enjoying themselves at the movies! And to bring all sorts of new people into the fandom as well.


“Seventy-seven courses and a regicide, never a wedding like it!

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Disney is pleasing a lot of fans and are being richly rewarded for it. Both their SW movies are financial and critical successes, 2 for 2.

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A Star Wars film will make money because it's Star Wars...

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A Star Wars film will make money because it's Star Wars...


A lot of work and talent went into TFA and RO, their success wasn't based on the SW name alone. It wasn't even just the SW name, but Disney as well.

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TFA's success definitely was based on the SW name. Also people tend to be pretty stupid these days.

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I love this Star Wars movie. It's one of the best films ever made.

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I find it ridiculous how literally everyone on this board thinks they're an expert on everything, but I suppose this is the typical mentality that plagues the internet. All the average users need some kind of validation of their worth I suppose. What compels them to elevate their opinion above all others? And why the pathetic snobbery?

Around this time last year, I "ignored" quite a few of the most extreme elitists.... And looking here again, they're all still here. Smh. And still with such a rudimentary understanding of film as a medium.

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I find it ridiculous .... blah ..blah ...blah...mentality that plagues the internet ...blah ..blah ...blah ...And still with such a rudimentary understanding of film as a medium.
And if I only would get a penny for every time I find some poser declaring himself smarter than the entire internet, and bragging about his ignore list.

All the average users need some kind of validation of their worth I suppose. What compels them to elevate their opinion above all others?
Lo: A textbook example of autistic projection.
de gustibus non est disputandum

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LOL - the girly eye roll avatar does not help either. 😂

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Do you actually think that's some kind of worthwhile response? Congrats, you've reached a whole new level of internet stupidity.

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^^^^ you talking to me? You talking to me? LOLZ dude is taking about stupidity and does not even get that he is not talked to. Try again, maybe with nesting next time, so that you do not become the board idiot.

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You sound gravely upset. See, the problem here is you. All I did was make an observation and appear to have attracted some of the most unlikable users.

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gravely upset, right. You are projecting cupcake. And i seem to have attracted YOU btw, I never addressed you, so who is the problem again?

And how am I unlikeable, we never talked before, I remain friendly even though you rabidly attack me out of the blue. I am considered one of the most lovable guy on the board. 1

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You mean to tell me these childish, degogatory comments were appropriate? Sorry, but when I made my completely honest observation I didn't expect to receive an enslaught of the most rudimentary insults. Maybe a peaceful disagreement if someone disliked what I said, but not elitism that exemplified precisely what I wrote. I apologise if this encounter stirred such ill feelings.

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Hmmmm... a poster condemning the elitist opinion of others by declaring their elitism! I believe C3PO said it best, "Machines building machines! How perverse!"


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That wasn't the intention. So criticising the irrational mentality of those who think their mere opinion is fact, and shoving it down anyone who dares defy them, is elevating myself above everyone?

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Nowhere did I brag about intelligence, but you seem to flaunt an unhealthy sense of elitism. Thanks for confirming my observation, disgusting hypocrite. Those ad hominems expose precisely what kind of person you are. Go back

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Thank you for involving me in your weltschmerz and echo chamber frustrations, Croc. Went a bit through your posting history: Very enjoyable read, if one does not mind all the negativity.

Still, it takes some cognitive balls to cry "distusting hypocrite", and make adhom accusations one sentence later. But I guess I am in luck that you did not award me one of your "Grand Idiot" awards, huh? Speaking of elitism and hypocrites...😉
de gustibus non est disputandum

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Are you for real? How is someone's posting history relevant here at all? You come after people for the sheer sake of it with nothing to back it up. I'm sorry, but you don't know me, and all I know about you is that you love throwing nonsense to make yourself feel better. When you waste your entirety of your time on being defensively negative, for over a year, there is a problem.

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You first... then post a link to your YouTube video right here on this message board.


"Silly TFA apologists!" = 🙉🙈🙊

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Well I don't think I could do better so I'm not making a film.

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Ironically I did sdo this. Well, sort of. I rewrote the Prequels.

12 Times.


I am Thinking of repostign them online.
I never filmed them. I have no Theatre locally, but do have some ANimation softeare. Maybe I can post my retakes of the Prequels and let peoepl voteon theone I animate? Or let others animatefor me?


Interested?


I may also do my own Sequel Saga.


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That's not the answer. No one said we can do it better. Disney has the time, money, and actors, and it was still botched.

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You didn't like this? This isn't Star Wars for you? Well then how about this... make your own star wars movie. Now tell me you can't because of the budget? I've seen wonderful Star Wars fan films shot on a $5 budget. I don't have actors? I garuntee you the local theatre in your area may have a few people handy. I don't have the time? Then how come you're on here arguing on message boards when you could be making a film? I don't know how to make a film? We have a wonderful thing called the internet. Thank you. Now don't tell me you can, show me you can. Thank you.
Wonderful logic... So we have to be film makers to comment on film now? It's one of those great arguments you get, whenever people get perturbed that others disagree with their viewpoint.

1 - Something happens
2 - People form differing opinions
3 - Those who do not like the opinion of others claim that if you have no similar experience related to the thing that happened, then you are not permitted a viewpoint.

So tell me, MichaelDinan... Am I correct in assuming you liked TFA? If so, do you work in the film industry and make your own movies? If not, surely you should not have an opinion on the movie?

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I do like the force awakens, I've worked on a few short films and I just believe if you can do better, then please do.... if I hurt you in any way I apologize. That was not my intent

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I'm not sure what made you think you may have 'hurt' me in any way. This is just text on a film forum. You posted a message starting a thread of discussion, I replied. If anything, your original post seems somewhat 'hurt' by the idea of anyone who dislikes TFA.

I've made short films as well. I've written a book and many short stories. Do those things give me some superior right to have an opinion, where others who haven't made short films aren't allowed one? This is the presumption you make in your OP. ;-)

Your post is about how people should either be making films, or not giving their opinion on them. If you're busy making short films, why are you posting on this board discussing your desire for everyone else to make films, if their opinion of a certain film disagrees with yours?

How about this... Have you ever discussed a film you disliked, without having first made your own attempt at a better film? Or do you like all films? Or do you simply never talk about films you dislike? ;-)

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The absurd "criticism is only allowed if you can actually do better" defense is a popular last resort fallacy. It is regularly indicative of an idiot struggling for arguments in a debate. So too with OP.

de gustibus non est disputandum

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It's the kind of logic that leads to dictatorships. ;-) Never been or at least tried to be a politician? Then you know nothing about politics and how to run a country!! You are not permitted to vote! :-D

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It's the kind of logic that leads to dictatorships
Well, if it works...I as a concerned consumer am more concerned about how such faulty logic might affect mundane things like crappy haircuts, meals and films...
de gustibus non est disputandum

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Producers nowadays are unable to finance original movies with a fulfilling storyline. It's not that this is so hard to do, but apparently, hollow nostalgia porn just sells more.

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When I have time I'm going to write a criticism slash review of what I think the purpose of the direction it took and takes is all about...sequence by sequence shot for shot...reading a lot about it being a straight up copy of IV and it is to certain degrees but in many ways it's not a copy but moreso an homage that has purpose for the next installments,

one thing that has to be addressed is Rey knowing how to Jedi mind trick the stormtrooper when she wasn't taught this or told this power in the same way Luke was by Ben...I know a solution to this issue in the next film and it's fairly obvious ..someone may have already figured it out but PRODUCERS pay me 1 million and I'll reveal the easy fix lol
the new director/s indeed need to address this issue which can be confusing and I think needs to be tied up in the course of the next installments

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I'm not a baker, but if I eat a cake that tastes like trash, I'm not going to pretend to like it. And Jesus Christ that condescending "thank you" at the end is so *beep* childish. What are you 12?

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Agree to disagree. I'm sorry if I hurt you in any way, that was not my intent.

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I love this movie as well... but I don't want to cause more arguments. Yes, some people who don't like this movie can be a little bit of a d!ckhead sometimes... but I just go with the old-fashioned "Agree to Disagree".

I love this movie, and no amount of hate will change my mind.

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Listen this movie is universally liked. Just because a few internet peeps with multiple accounts and zero *beep* to accomplish have to constantly remark on how much they hate something. I talk to people daily in person who loved this movie and you can actually have a discussion about it. Not the same regurgitated arguments you hear over and over, Rey is a Mary Sue, Kylo Ren was lame blah blah... for people complaining about unoriginality you guys have to find your own voice.

Once Episode 8 and 9 come out every inpatient little douche will be eatting their words when all their silly arguments go out the window when more is revealed.

I'm waiting for when 8 comes out. Rogue One sucked! Then Han Solo comes out. 8 was lame... and so on and so forth. Sad bunch of Star Wars internet clowns.

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Constantly droning on and on, hating on TFA accomplishes nothing. It's still successful, people are buying its merchandice, and VIII will have Disney rolling in even more dough. Haters' blood pressures will rise. Sucks to be them.

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People bought the prequel merchandise also and they also made an ass load of money. The force awakens was horrible, Rey is an awful lead character, deal with it.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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Making a mindless movie for the masses! WIN! I'll be happy to continue to not be a sheep and fall for the shallow nostalgia cash grab in the future. But carry on giving them your money, you're entitled to make that decision. Better you than me.

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Constantly droning on and on, defending a decomposing turd accomplishes even less.

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Calling TFA a "turd" is an insult to turds.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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" I've seen wonderful Star Wars fan films shot on a $5 budget."
And they were probably better.
A big Star Wars fan until this film.

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LOL!

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I hated it because they just recycled the plot from A New Hope, the acting was bland and the characters were not interesting at all. I hate Rey with a passion, there isn't anything she can't do, she's already perfect, there's no character arc for her to undergo unlike Luke and Anakin. I don't see them cancelling the franchise unfortunately though because these piece of shlt movies are making money, it's really very sad.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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I thought it was okay, personally, but I can't understand why people are calling this one of the best movies of all time. It's a moderately enjoyable soft remake of A New Hope, not a classic by any stretch. Now, I'm hopeful that the upcoming movies will be better and more original, but after seeing TFA and Rogue One, I'm not optimistic. Rey's store arc will probably match Luke's, Kylo Ren will have Darth Vader's arc, Snoke will go down just as Palpatine, etc.

Though I'm legitimately curious how this film will be viewed down the road. People point to its box office success as evidence that it's a great movie... except, The Phantom Menace also broke box office records and I doubt many people here consider it a good movie.
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