The term didn't even exist back then.
Have you ever watched Superman?
I mean, there was a time you couldn't even get printed if you spoke out on a MarySue character because they were always white male characters. You'd be told to "shut your mouth, boy!" or "get back in the kitchen, woman!"
I've already explained to you how this is possible in numerous posts
Anyone articulating a spontaneous and non-spurious criticism is welcome to share their thoughts
I've been aware of the concept of the Mary Sue character archetype long before I watched The Force Awakens.
in films past required extensive training to actually utilize, and then beat an opponent with more previous-displayed power and training
And yet training has always been implied as necessary. The length, manner and methods have varied.
This is a quote from George Lucas: "Force users and the Jedi have limitations. The Jedi are not supermen!"
You do know that Rey is untrained....
she defeated a trained Force user! One who, by the way killed Luke's Force using apprentices. (Kylo's nickname is the Jedi killer). No amount of philosophical spouting about variables changes those facts.
I can determine that by a lot more than a couple of plot points!...
I knew you would resort to this fallacious argument sooner or later
And yet there's nothing you can produce that proves Kylo was never trained in using a lightsaber.
And we know he killed trained lightsaber wielding apprentices!
It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if in episode 8, they try and retconn this fact out of Kylo's backstory to try and cover for his inconsistent character development in TFA.
wasn't a "fall in his lap" situation for Kylo.
Yet Kylo handled it as cool as a cucumber.
A cucumber that shows off fancy footwork, presses back Finn's attack, and even takes a moment to stare at Finn and spin his lightsaber while he waits for Finn to regather himself!
You're the one who said Kylo can't handle a situation if it's not tailored for him or "dropped in his lap"
It's a writing trope: Mary Sue writing essentially is when you as a writer unrealistically highlight and glorify your character (e.g., by making him too powerful, beloved/adored,or better than everybody else) thereby bending the in-universe rules and making the whole story unbelievable.
Which was done with Luke, but only when it's done with a female character do you guys complain.
when you as a writer unrealistically highlight and glorify your character (e.g., by making him too powerful, beloved/adored, or better than everybody else) thereby bending the in-universe rules and making the whole story unbelievable.
I wish Ruby could just stop for one second, and think "Wait... What if they have a different opinion, simply because they have a different opinion? Not because it's sexist not to love Rey...."
When you as a writer unrealistically highlight and glorify your character (e.g., by making him too powerful, beloved/adored, or better than everybody else) thereby bending the in-universe rules and making the whole story unbelievable.
Luke Skywalker FAILED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
He got shot when first practicing with a lightsaber in Episode IV.
Do you need me to list off his failures, mistakes, and moments of helplessness for you yet again? Why are you being so dishonest? Just admit that Rey was written to be immune to all of those things while Luke wasn't.
You can't disagree with anything I've said because you know I'm right
Name one thing Rey failed at. Answer: NOTHING.
Everything she tried to do WORKED the first time.
She even had to EDUCATE HAN SOLO about the Millennium Falcon. For real!
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