Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens : Rey has no.personality

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I guess you didn't see Han and Chewie escaping from the rathtars. Han grabbed one guy and threw him at a rathtar and punched another. Had Rey hit the right switch, the blast doors would have saved them without all the chaos, but then it wouldn't be as exciting.

Stop talking like Rey never got her life saved, it was saved three times. Finn saved her twice. How many times should he have saved her that would make you happy? If he had to save her yet again because of her own stupid mistake, it would make her look bad. Her rescuing him was her fixing her mistake.



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We're not talking about how many times she "got saved". You're saying that Rey can't be reduced to helplessness and rescued by Finn because she would look bad? But he can be reduced to helplessness and require rescue by Rey without looking bad to you?

Rey comes out of the rathtar scene looking very very good for saving everyone while Finn comes out of it looking helpless and entirely dependent on Rey. If Rey had been grabbed by and rescued from the rathtar by Finn, she would not come across as entirely dependent on him because we've already seen her rescue hersefl from danger on Jakku. She wouldn't have become a damsel in distress, she would have just felt like a vulnerable hero who occasionally encounters things that require rescue from (like Luke).


Their escape on Jakku was never about Finn saving Rey from anything, she never needed rescue, she needed a heads up, a warning. He could have said "run!" and she would have been fine. He was being overprotective of someone who didn't need it and then he got knocked out so that she could pull him to safety instead and the audience could see that he needs her more than she needs him. The scene was much more about Rey saving Finn than Finn saving Rey and she comes across much much better than Finn in that scene and he always felt more like a 'damsel in distress' than she ever did.
Finn "saved her" but Rey was never helpless or incapable of saving herself and she didn't need Finn to rescue her on Jakku. She needed a warning while Finn actually required rescue because he was thoroughly incapable of surviving on his own even with a warning.

Rey was never in any danger of being a damsel in distress, she was written to be the anti-damsel in distress. She rescued herself from the goons, she rescued herself and Finn by leading him to and piloting the falcon, she rescued herself from Kylo's captivity before any help arrived, nobody was ever going to call her a damsel in distress. But you would? You would ignore all the times she got to rescue herself (unlike Finn) if she had been actually helpless and in need of rescue once in the movie? You say that you would be fine with Rey and Finn switching roles for the movie but if they switched roles just for the rathtar scene then suddenly Rey becomes a damsel in distress while Finn wasn't? Finn got rescued many more times than Rey, why do you not see him as a damsel in distress after the rathtar scene?

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No, I don't think accidentally letting the rathtars out made her look good. Cleaning up her own mess by saving Finn made her look good, but then it was her fault he had to be rescued. OTOH, Finn rescued her twice before, which made him look good. Han had to rescue Luke from the cold in TESB. They're just people banning together to fight evil and having to rescue each other because their lives are constantly in danger. It's obvious you have issues with Rey because of her gender. Finn and Poe rescued themselves from the First Order. Han and Chewie rescued themselves from the rathtars and those thugs. What's wrong with Rey rescuing herself?

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Honestly Ruby, it seems like you're the one with issues about Rey's gender. She rescues herself multiple times in this movie just to prove how much she's not a damsel in distress and yet you would ignore all those instances just to dismiss her as a damsel in distress if she had been truly helpless and actually required one scene of someone rescuing her from something she couldn't overcome on her own. Finn always required other characters to save him from danger. He never once got to rescue himself from danger like Rey usually did and yet you don't call him a damsel in distress for being helpless in the rathtars scene. Why is that?

Why do you not consider Finn to be a damsel in distress for requiring rescue from the rathtars when you would consider Rey a damsel in distress if she had required rescue from the rathtars? You seem to have quite a double standard in place.

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Finn rescued himself from danger by escaping the First Order, and in doing so saved Poe. Finn rescued Rey twice, and he didn't have to. He probably would have gotten away much easier if he hadn't stuck with Rey and BB8.

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No Ruby, you're being dishonest. Because he doesn't have any skills, Finn couldn't rescue himself from the first order, he was incapable of escaping on his own so he needed Poe to rescue him so he went and got Poe. Just like he needed Rey to rescue him on Jakku and Rey to rescue him from the rathtars and Han to rescue him from a storm trooper. Finn didn't ever get to rescue himself from danger and yet you don't consider him to be a damsel in distress? Rey does have skills and so she is able to rescue herself multiple times.

You can't ignore what was said Ruby. You said that Rey would be a damsel in distress if the rathtars had grabbed her instead of Finn. That is an undeniable double standard.

Please explain to me how Rey being treated like Finn for one scene would turn her into a damsel in distress? She got a scene of rescuing herself back on Jakku and then she gets another scene of rescuing herself on Death Star 3. Why would you ignore those scenes? Finn never once gets to rescue himself while Rey gets to rescue herself twice. Are your double standards so blatant that you would completely dismiss Rey as a hero for simply being in Finn's role for one scene?

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The First Order do not train their stormtroopers to be pilots. Notice they landed in a shuttle on Jakku. Yes, he did rescue himself from the First Order, by rescuing Poe. It was a very brave thing he did. Then he rescued Rey twice on Jakku. Then he faced down his fears instead of running in order to save Rey, was able to give the Resistance information to destroy Starkiller Base, and was instrumental in getting the shields dropped. Lastely, he kept Kylo Ren busy while Rey had a chance to recover. He saved countless lives, and sacrificed his own well being.

Having to be constantly saved by Finn would make Rey too damselly.

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The First Order do not train their stormtroopers to be pilots.
Yes, I know that Ruby. There was a reason for Finn to be portrayed as generally useless and incompetent. It doesn't change the fact that he needed someone else to use their skills to save his life every time it was in danger. Finn doing heroic things in the movie is irrelevant to this discussion on self-rescues and being damsels in distress. Rescuing Poe was a good thing to do, I'm not denying that. I am denying that he rescued himself from the first order because he literally could not rescue himself and needed another character to get him away from danger. That's not rescuing himself like Rey did with the goons and on the Death Star 3. Do you see the difference? Rey got to rescue herself with her own skills, Finn got to be rescued by poe's skills. Rey got to rescue herself and you ignore that to paint her as almost a damsel in distress for that one time she got kinda "saved".


Having to be constantly saved by Finn would make Rey too damselly.
That is honestly an absurdly disingenuous statement Ruby. Finn "saved" her once in the movie (watch the stormtrooper part, she wasn't about to be killed there). And she was not helpless or incapable of saving herself from the danger like Finn was with the rathtar. Rey does not come across as damselly at any point in the movie even for a moment but by your definition, Finn frequently appears damselly. They wrote multiple scenes of her rescuing herself just to prove that she is not a damsel in distress at all. They didn't write any scenes of Finn rescuing himself to prove that he wasn't a damsel in distress so why don't you see him as one for getting grabbed by the rathtar?

Please try to justify your blatant double standard. Finn requires another character to rescue him from danger every single time he is threatened. Finn was closer to having to be "constantly" saved by Rey soooo much more that Rey ever felt like she was "constantly" being saved by Finn. I seem to remember you remarking that you only noticed that the tie fighter would have gotten them if finn hadn't pulled her away upon a recent rewatch because it was such a quick tiny moment in the scene. The scene was never about Finn rescuing Rey because he barely "rescued" her at all and then he got knocked out so she could rescue him instead. Finn pulling her out of the line of fire was a tiny moment in a scene of Rey rescuing Finn and establishing herself as an independent and self-reliant badass. Rey comes out of the Jakku scene looking amazing and not reliant on Finn in any way. Finn comes out of the Jakku scene looking mildly helpful but entirely dependent on Rey. The Jakku scene does not set up Rey as any sort of damsel in distress. Finn pulling her out of the tent does not move Rey towards being a damsel in distress in any way. 30 seconds before that we watched her rescuing herself from danger in a way damsels in distress like Finn don't get to do and you pretend it doesn't happen so that Rey looks damselly in the Jakku scene instead of amazingly better than Finn. Watch the whole Jakku scene again and tell me who comes across more as a damsel in distress in that scene, Finn or Rey.

You know you're being dishonest here Ruby and you know that you have a double standard for how you evaluate Rey and Finn as heroes. You don't care that Finn is incapable of ever rescuing himself and you wouldn't call him a damsel in distress for the same reason you'd call Rey one. You're just going to use his helping of poe and his role in the destruction of death star 3 to brush away how poorly he was treated by the script again. If Rey had been in his position for just one scene, then she becomes a damsel in distress to you. Finn was treated like that the whole movie. Because Rey is a woman, you like that she is so much stronger than Finn and gets treated so much better than him by the script and you would hate it if they were actually equals and she ever truly got treated like him even for just one scene.

Finn gets rescued more often than Rey does. Please try to explain to me how he is not a damsel in distress but she would be if she had been grabbed by the rathtar instead of him. Please don't bring up your usual derailing line that he rescued poe again or that he helped destroy death star 3, good things that he did to move the story forward but irrelevant when talking about your qualifications for being a damsel in distress.

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Using Poe for a pilot doesn't mean Finn didn't rescue himself. The point is that he overcame his brainwashing and risked his life to get away from the First Order.

So now you're denying that Finn saved Rey twice on Jakku? He did, I've already proven it. She would have been killed by the stormtroopers' firing on their location had Finn not got her away from there. You're just diminishing Finn's accomplishments to promote your warped narrative.

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Using Poe for a pilot doesn't mean Finn didn't rescue himself.
It literally means exactly that Ruby and you know it. He could not rescue himself so he needed another character to use their skills to get him out of danger. Rey didn't need to use another character to beat up the goons on Jakku for her did she? Did Finn rescue himself while Poe did nothing but stare at him in awe? Do you see how she got to rescue herself from danger and Finn got to ask someone else to rescue him from danger? I don't know how to more thoroughly explain to you how that is not an example of Finn rescuing himself since there is someone else there rescuing him during the scene...

Ruby, whether Finn pulled her out of danger once or twice couldn't matter less. What matters is your double standard that you childishly refuse to acknowledge.

Rey being pulled out of danger on Jakku (once or twice) and then getting grabbed by the rathtar is enough to make Rey a damsel in distress to you. Despite her having a scene of rescuing herself a couple minutes before on Jakku that you choose to pretend didn't happen. That's an insane double standard that you have because she's a female hero. You would hate the idea of the script treating her like Finn even for one scene. Finn needing other characters to rescue him from danger every single time he was threatened, including being grabbed by the rathtar somehow does not make him into a damsel in distress to you. How can you justify that?

Please try to explain your double standard without bringing up your usual derailing line that Finn was heroic and brave.

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Finn and Poe worked together to rescue themselves from the First Order. Finn escaped, and did it at great risked to himself. And TWO TIMES Rey had to be rescued by him or there would have been pieces of her all over the sand. She could not have rescued herself in BOTH those instances because she didn't see the stormtroopers and then she didn't know about the Tie fighters.

I didn't see Luke as a damsel in distress when Ben had to rescue him from the sand people. These characters are constantly in danger and have to be rescued by each other. You just don't want to give credit to Finn for rescuing Rey because it goes against your imagined narrative.

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Ruby, whether Finn rescued her on Jakku or not is not what we are talking about. We are talking about your double standard for evaluating Finn and Rey as heroes. (But for the record, asking someone else to fly you to safety is not what "rescuing yourself" means)

You said that Rey would be a damsel in distress if she had been grabbed instead of Finn. Please, please, please explain to me why you would see Rey as a damsel in distress if she was in this situation while you don't see Finn as one even though he is in the situation. I keep asking and you keep pretending not to read what I'm saying.

You just said that these characters are constantly in danger and have to rescue each other all the time but then you say that Rey would become a damsel in distress if she had been rescued instead of Finn in this scene. You're contradicting yourself in your desperate attempts to avoid the point.

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If Rey had to be continuously rescued by Finn, that would have made her a damsel in distress. Twice was enough to be rescued by Finn, three times would be ridiculous.

Finn and Poe worked together to rescue themselves from the First Order. Finn needed Poe as a pilot and Poe needed Finn to get him away from the guards. This means they were both responsible for their own rescue.

Tell me, how many times was Finn rescued and how many times was Rey rescued?

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Are you serious? Rey continuously rescued by Finn? I feel like we didn't watch the same movies. You must not have watched it recently because there is no way on earth anyone could watch that movie and come away with the impression that Rey is dependent on Finn at all.

Rey was "rescued" by Finn once (arguably twice in quick succession) very briefly in the Jakku scene (you once said you didn't even notice that the tie fighters would have got them the first time watching this scene) before rescuing him right back by pulling him by the hand, leading him to a ship and flying him to safety (and it's worth noting that despite being pulled by Finn, she didn't need him to do that, all she needed was a warning and she could have easily saved herself in this scene). Since she takes over the bulk of the rescuing in the Jakku scene, she doesn't come across as damselly at all for the tent thing and you know it. Rey comes out of the Jakku scene looking amazing and much better than Finn. Then she was "rescued" by getting a ride home from Chewie at the end of the movie. That's it. She is not a damsel in distress in any way unless you have different standards for her because she's a female hero. She also got a scene of rescuing herself from some thugs on Jakku (and dominating Finn) just so that she wouldn't seem damselly at all when Finn meets her. She also got a scene of rescuing herself from Kylo's captivity on Death Star 3 just so that she wouldn't seem damselly at all when her friends arrived.

Finn rescued Poe (which is irrelevant to the discussion of how many times Finn got rescued).

Finn was rescued by Poe when he needed someone to get him away from the first order (he provided assistance to Poe while Poe rescued him). He was rescued by Rey when he needed someone to get him away from the first order on Jakku (he provided assistance to Rey while she rescued him). He was rescued by Rey when the Falcon was damaged and about to leak deadly gas and she prevented that with her skills while he bumbled around. He was rescued by Rey when the rathtar grabbed him (he was incapable of rescuing himself in this scene, it was completely different than when Finn unnecessarily pulled Rey out of the tent. She could have easily saved herself there, Finn couldn't here). He was rescued by Poe and the resistance when captured by stormtroopers at Maz's. He was rescued by Han and Chewie when he went up against a single stormtrooper with a baton (can you imagine Rey being treated like this?). He was rescued by Rey when he lost to Kylo and needed to be dragged to safety and medical attention. He was "rescued" by getting a ride home with Chewie who tended to his wounds. Finn doesn't get any scenes dedicated to him rescuing himself to show how un-damselly he is.

You seriously want to call Rey very nearly a damsel in distress for the tent thing but not Finn for needing to be saved throughout the whole movie? The idea that Rey is more of a damsel in distress than Finn is thoroughly absurd. You clearly have a double standard here Ruby, even you must see that.

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Finn rescued Rey twice on Jakku, so yes, that would be Rey depending on Finn. Rey does not rescue Finn on Jakku. Offering him her hand was not a rescue. She rescued him from the rathtar. Han rescued him from the stormtrooper. And Chewie rescued them from Starkiller Base.

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Ruby, the next time you watch the Jakku scene, pay attention to whether Finn or Rey comes across as more of a damsel in distress. Do you think it's the one that gets a rescuing herself from enemies moment at the start of the scene to establish herself as a self-reliant badass and then physically dominates her costar to establish herself as stronger and tougher than him and then saves them both with her amazing flying?

He pulls her out of danger from the tie fighter and rescues her. She then pulls him up and leads him out of danger and they save each other with the Falcon until Rey has to do Finn's job for him and she ends up saving them both with her amazing flying. You keep saying he saved her twice but the stormtroopers would not have hit her immediately like the tie fighter would have. They were being shot at and she was in as much danger during the first hand pull as Finn was when they were being shot at and she grabbed his hand and pulled him up and led him to safety. If you count the stormtrooper hand pull as a rescue then the pulling Finn up was just as much of a rescue.

Who comes out looking better after the Jakku scene? Rey of course. Who comes out looking better after the repairing the ship scene? Rey of course. The rathtar scene? Rey of course. The fight against Kylo? Rey of course. But sure, the character who has every skill and multiple scenes dedicated to her rescuing herself is almost a damsel in distress because of that one quick moment in the tent and Finn's not a damsel in distress for failing at everything he tried to do by himself and needing to be rescued throughout the whole movie.

Rey gets two scenes dedicated to her rescuing herself from danger for no other reason than to show the audience that she is a strong independent woman who is absolutely not a damsel in distress. She was written to be the anti-damsel in distress and you know it. That's why you like her, she's a female hero who is clearly better than the male hero in every way as the movie demonstrates over and over. She always gets to feel like much less of a damsel in distress than her thoroughly inferior male costar so of course you love her and would hate if she was ever treated as poorly as he was.

The rathtar scene wouldn't suddenly turn Rey into a damsel in distress, it would just be treating her like Finn for a single scene and to you that would make her weak and dependent. What does that say about Finn?

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Andre, we see Finn and Poe rescuing themselves, so what if they did it together? It was no less impressive.

Watch those scenes on Jakku again. Finn saves Rey twice.

From the book:

(First rescue) A moment later a pair of blaster explosions obliterated the spot where they had been standing.

(Second rescue) The explosion ripped up the storage area, its contents, and the ground just behind the fleeing trio...

Both those times Finn grabbed Rey's hand and saved her from being blown to bits.

So how many times was Finn saved and how many times was Rey saved?

Finn: three times, once by Rey, once by Han, and once by Chewie. Am I missing any rescues?

Rey: three times, twice by Finn, and once by Chewie (twice in the book).

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It is less impressive since he couldn't do it on his own and needed to get someone to do it for him. Rescuing Poe was a good thing for Finn to do but he only did it because he desperately needed Poe to rescue him. It's not the same as Rey not needing anyone for anything when she gets her scene of rescuing herself on Jakku. Rey has skills and saved herself thus establishing her as a self-reliant badass. Finn has no skills and needed someone else to save him like always thus establishing him as entirely dependent on the rescue of others.

You're quoting the book and yet the book and movie are two different things. Finn saved her from certain death once on Jakku in the movie. In the book he gets to save her twice, in the book he gets to be a top percentage elite soldier, in the book ungar platt gets his arm ripped off. Because something's in the book doesn't mean it's in the movie. Watch the Jakku scene again and see who comes across better, Finn or Rey. In the movie, it's Rey of course.

Finn needed Poe to get him away from the first order. Poe saved him with his flying since he couldn't save himself in this scene (Finn saved him first). Finn needed Rey to get him away from the first order. Rey saved him with her flying since he couldn't save himself in this scene (Finn saved her first). Finn needed Rey to rescue him from the rathtar since he was reduced to helplessness and couldn't save himself in this scene. Finn needed Poe and the resistance to rescue him from the first order when he was captured at maz's since he couldn't save himself in this scene. He was completely defeated by a single random storm trooper and needed Han and Chewie to rescue him since he couldn't save himself in this scene. He was defeated by Kylo and needed Chewie to rush him to medical attention.

Rey got pulled by Finn but she didn't ever need him to do that. Finn just had to give her a heads up to the danger of the tie fighter and she could have easily rescued herself in this scene. She got a ride home from Chewie at the end after it was all over.

One of these characters is more of a damsel in distress than the other (hint: it's the one that has no skills and doesn't get any scenes of rescuing himself unassisted)

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Finn's escape was impressive, he did it by overcoming brainwashing he had since childhood. And it was incredibly brave. I don't see how that's less impressive than Rey beating those thugs with her quarterstaff.

You just don't want to admit that Finn saved Rey twice on Jakku. You think she would have survived all that blaster fire that came her way had Finn not got her out of there? Of course not. He saved her life twice. Stop denying it.

And that ride from Chewie off Starkiller Base saved her life. Both Finn and Rey were saved three times each. Finn saved her twice, she saved him once.

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Finn didn't do anything to overcome his brainwashing, it just kinda wore off or whatever. There was nothing impressive about him suddenly not being brainwashed anymore for no real reason. And there was nothing brave about it either, he just ran away from danger. Rey beating up the thugs and Finn on Jakku was just as brave. Everyone in the series is generally brave. It's not really an accomplishment.

It was good of Finn to rescue Poe so that he could ask Poe to rescue him in return but of course it's significantly less impressive than Rey getting a scene of rescuing herself without needing anyone's help. Finn needed Poe, Rey needs nobody. Rey gets a scene of her rescuing herself with her skills. She looks extremely competent, fully capable and completely self-reliant. Finn gets a scene of needing someone else to use their skills to rescue him. Finn looks largely incompetent, generally incapable and completely dependent on others. You can say they're both impressive but one is clearly more impressive than the other. They are not the same and you know that.

Ruby are we talking about the book or the movie? They are different things. You can't quote the book to prove a point about the movie when they differ on that point. In the book Finn got to directly rescue Rey twice in quick succession but in the movie she was only in immediate danger once. You know this. They were being shot at and were "in danger" but they weren't about to be hit like with the second hand-pull. She could have easily run out on her own after seeing the first shot go by. They were also being shot at and were "in danger" when Finn needed Rey to pull him up, lead him to a ship and fly him to safety. If you count Finn's first hand-pull as a rescue then you have to count Rey's hand-pull as a rescue as well. Rey rescued Finn in the Jakku scene by both pulling him to safety and using her piloting skills to save him when he needed someone with piloting skills to save him. His blink and you'll miss it hand pull ends up looking insignificant after she takes over their rescue and Rey is the clear hero of the Jakku scene as a whole. After the Jakku scene Finn seems far more reliant on Rey than she does on him.

Finn pulling Rey out of the tent that she easily could have run out of herself is not the same as Finn being reduced to complete helplessness multiple times and requiring a full rescue. Rey was fully capable of rescuing herself and keeping her dignity while Finn wasn't. And whether it was one or two hand pulls that saved her life doesn't matter since the moments are the same and in such quick succession that they just feel like one extended moment.

Why don't you count Finn being captured by the First Order at Maz's as a time he needed to be rescued? Or when the Falcon was about to fill up with toxic gas and he displayed his incompetence with the tools while Rey prevented their deaths with her skills?

Rey gets two scenes of rescuing herself from danger just to prove to the audience that she is absolutely not a damsel in distress in any way while Finn needs other characters to rescue him every time he's in danger. He's undeniably far more of a damsel in distress than she is. You know that Ruby. Rey being treated like Finn for one scene would have made them feel more balanced. It didn't feel like both of these heroes could have potentially been grabbed by the rathtar and rescued by the other one. Rey would obviously never be treated like that.

If you watch the movie and claim that Rey rescuing herself is the equivalent of Finn asking Poe to rescue him then you're being dishonest. Or that Rey being pulled out of the tent is the equivalent of Finn being grabbed by the rathtar and makes her seem dependent on Finn and in danger of being a damsel in distress then again, you're just being dishonest. Seriously Ruby, the next time you watch the movie try to pay attention to how drastically differently the script treats Rey compared to Finn.

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Andre, how come all the other stormtroopers' brainwashing didn't just wear off? Maybe Finn is Force sensitive while the others aren't. Him getting Poe and escaping was very brave, and that escape was every bit as impressive as Rey fighting off those thugs. Those thugs would not have hurt Rey as she's Unkar Plutt's best scavenger. Finn would most likely be executed if it was found out that he became immune to the brainwashing. He was right to be more scared of the First Order than Rey was scared of those thugs.

In the movie, Finn got Rey out of the line of blaster fire in the nick of time. Watch it again if you don't believe me. The same isn't true when she offered him her hand. Deny it all you like, but Finn saved Rey twice, and she saved him once. Both were saved a total of three times each. Rey would have been blown to bits if not for Finn.

Finn didn't just ask Poe to rescue him. It was a collaboration. Poe would be dead without Finn. Rey didn't save herself from those thugs, she saved BB8.

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I can't believe you admitted that you would dismiss Rey as a damsel in distress if she had just been treated the same way as Finn was treated for one scene.

In your eyes, why is it acceptable for a male character to be reduced to helplessness and require a scene of someone else rescuing him but not ok for it to happen to Rey? Why would that rathtar turn Rey into a damsel in distress if it doesn't turn Finn into one?

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Rey letting the rathtars out by herself saved the day and killed all the bad guys for them, it made her look good. Locking the rathtars back up by herself saved the day again and rescued finn, it made her look good again.
Did you watch the movie? The way she let the rathtars out looked like a huge mistake to anyone who saw the movie. As for locking them back up, what was that thing on the Millennium Falcon's windshield? Sure looked like a rathtar to me. It sounds to me like you're so desperate to call Rey a Mary Sue that when the movie disagrees with your narrative, you disregard the movie.


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Um yeah it "looked like a mistake" that worked out perfectly and killed the bad guys for them. She looked good for rescuing Han and Chewie from the pirates but it was an imperfect rescue so she got to correct it in a follow up rescue scene. It was the closest she ever came to making a mistake and Rey comes out of the rathtar scene looking better than she did before, Finn comes out looking even more pathetic.

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Um yeah it "looked like a mistake" that worked out perfectly and killed the bad guys for them. She looked good for rescuing Han and Chewie from the pirates but it was an imperfect rescue so she got to correct it in a follow up rescue scene. It was the closest she ever came to making a mistake and Rey comes out of the rathtar scene looking better than she did before, Finn comes out looking even more pathetic.


No, it doesn't make her look good. Though it did help Han and Chewie, they still had to get away from the rathtars while fighting through the thugs. Finn never looked pathetic. Haters look pathetic. Ten months after the movie came out, and you guys still wallow in your hatred of a movie. But then sexists and racists get joy from hate.

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Calling everyone who dislikes a movie racist and sexist sounds pretty pathetic to me.

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Calling everyone who dislikes a movie racist and sexist sounds pretty pathetic to me.


Most people who dislike a movie don't hang around its message boards for ten months bitching about it. If you're doing that and claiming it's feminist girl power and the black guy is just a bumbling idiot when he's not, yeah, you're sexist and racist.

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You're so unable to argue against actual points so you just make broad negative generalizations about everyone who disagrees with you and lump them all together to insult and dismiss them instead. That's very childish of you and reveals how desperate you are to insult people over the internet rather than discuss aspects of the movie we're here to discuss.

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You're so unable to argue against actual points so you just make broad negative generalizations about everyone who disagrees with you and lump them all together to insult and dismiss them instead. That's very childish of you and reveals how desperate you are to insult people over the internet rather than discuss aspects of the movie we're here to discuss.


I am discussing the movie, but you insist on seeing things that aren't there and refuse to see things that are there, all depending on the narrative you want to promote that is basically trashing the movie.

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you insist on seeing things that aren't there and refuse to see things that are there, all depending on the narrative you want to promote
Ruby, I could say the same about you but I'd rather discuss the movie than insult people who hold different views than me.

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Ruby, I could say the same about you but I'd rather discuss the movie than insult people who hold different views than me.


You are pushing a false narrative. Sorry if that is insulting to you, but it is the truth.

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There is nothing false about saying that Finn was treated with much less respect than Rey was by the script and the other characters.

Rey was never helpless and incapable of rescuing herself while he needed to be rescued every single time he was in danger.

Rey had every possible skill, he had none.

Finn has a romantic interest in her because she's beautiful and amazing but she has no interest in him back since she's better than him in every way and he comes across as a mostly useless goofball.

Rey physically dominates Finn to prove her superiority over him while he gets to lie to her in a goofy desperate manner and ask for her help.

When they work together to escape, his gun stops working so that she can be the solo hero of the scene and do his part for him.

Rey got to succeed at everything she tried to do by herself in the movie while Finn got to fail at everything he tried to do by himself in the movie.

Rey was treated with respect and reverence from all the other characters and the script while Finn was often the butt of jokes and treated disrespectfully by the other characters.

There was a clear difference in how these characters were written and presented. You know that Ruby. It's dishonest to say that Finn contributing to team successes is anywhere near as impressive as Rey's constant solo successes.

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Why should Ray and Finn be impressive in the same ways? He was a lot more heroic than she was, and had way more to do with the destruction of Starkiller Base. So what that she has more skills? That's explained by their backgrounds. The First Order does not train their stormtroopers to be pilots and mechanics. Stormtroopers basically just shoot people.

Rey could not have rescued herself the two times Finn grabbed her hand on Jakku and started running. Both times she would have been dead if not for him. But of course you won't give him credit for that.

So what that Finn lies to impress her? It's what guys often do. In the end he admits to her that he's a former stormtrooper. And the reason she's not interested in romance at that time is because she's obsessed with the idea that her family is coming back for her.

So she whacks him with her stick, so what?

Rey was treated well by all the other characters? Unkar Plutt hardly treated her well. She was referred to as, "scavenger scum."

You don't think overcoming a lifetime of brainwashing, escaping the First Order, and being instrumental in the destruction of Starkiller Base, saving countless lives, was as impressive as Rey's accomplishments? While defeating Kylo Ren was impressive, saving lives is far more important.

If both these character were white dudes, you wouldn't be complaining about the difference in their portrayals.

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Finn looked pathetic in the repairing the ship scene and you know it. He also appeared pathetic when being beaten up and threatened by Rey. He also appeared pathetic in this scene with the rathtar. He also appeared pathetic for needing to be rescued from a single stormtrooper. Pathetic was kind of his thing, he was written to be the opposite of Rey.

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Finn looked pathetic in the repairing the ship scene and you know it. He also appeared pathetic when being beaten up and threatened by Rey. He also appeared pathetic in this scene with the rathtar. He also appeared pathetic for needing to be rescued from a single stormtrooper. Pathetic was kind of his thing, he was written to be the opposite of Rey.


No, he did not look pathetic, that's just a narrative you haters want to promote because you hate seeing a white woman with a black man. There is no reason a stormtrooper should know how to fix a ship, or fly one. And he was grabbed by a rathtar getting Rey away from another one when she was frozen in fear. He needed to be rescued from a stormtrooper who was way more experience than he was. Jakku was his very first mission, he had training, not experience. He's not pathetic, he's heroic.

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Watching him be inexperienced at everything in every scene and require someone to rescue him from danger every single time without ever demonstrating any training of any kind at any time makes him look pathetic. Stop calling people racist for disagreeing with you. I would have liked Finn and supported the idea of him and Rey together romantically if Finn had been written and portrayed with a fraction of the competence and respect that Rey was written and portrayed with.

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Watching him be inexperienced at everything in every scene and require someone to rescue him from danger every single time without ever demonstrating any training of any kind at any time makes him look pathetic. Stop calling people racist for disagreeing with you. I would have liked Finn and supported the idea of him and Rey together romantically if Finn had been written and portrayed with a fraction of the competence and respect that Rey was written and portrayed with.


Finn was pretty bad ass with blasters, ship blasters and the hand held kind. He wasn't good with the lightsaber, but then he had never used one before, and knew next to nothing about the Force. Once he was able to get a hold of a blaster from the dead stormtrooper, you could see he knew how to handle it.

Without Finn, there is no destruction of Starkiller Base, Poe would be dead, and so would Rey. Claiming he's incompetent and disrespected is rather moronic. And yes, you haters are racists/sexists. Notice the constant whining about the diverse cast in RO.

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Finn was adequate with blasters and incompetent with literally everything else. After a few seconds Rey was adequate with blasters and an expert at literally everything else.

Claiming that Finn is treated by the script with as much respect as Rey is dishonest.


Without Finn, there is no destruction of Starkiller Base
This is just yor go-to line huh? Any criticism of how he was written and portrayed and you just bust this out again and again for every circumstance or challenge? Finn contributed to that. He contributed to a lot of things. He's the support guy. He failed at everything he tried to do himself and he always needed to be rescued.


you haters are racists/sexists
I'm pretty confident that I'm not but that's a great and very mature debating tactic of you.

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Finn was adequate with blasters and incompetent with literally everything else. After a few seconds Rey was adequate with blasters and an expert at literally everything else.

Claiming that Finn is treated by the script with as much respect as Rey is dishonest.


Finn had just completed training with blasters and Jakku was his first mission. And why should you be bothered that Rey can pilot a ship, but Finn cannot? It's shown that stormtroopers are shuttled around where they're needed, they don't all have their own ship. Rey is a pilot because her life since the age of 5 has revolved around ships. It's the same with Finn not knowing how to fix a ship while Rey can. Stormtroopers weren't trained to be mechanics, the First Order has separate people to do that job. It makes perfect sense that Rey would know more about ships than Finn would. This isn't being disrespectful to Finn. You just don't like that a girl is the pilot/mechanic.


This is just yor go-to line huh? Any criticism of how he was written and portrayed and you just bust this out again and again for every circumstance or challenge? Finn contributed to that. He contributed to a lot of things. He's the support guy. He failed at everything he tried to do himself and he always needed to be rescued.


Overcoming brainwashing that has been going on since birth, escaping the First Order, and being instrumental in the destruction of Starkiller Base is not nothing. And both he and Rey were saved the same amount of times.

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Finn had just completed training with blasters and Jakku was his first mission
He had just finished training with blasters? He's like 30 and has been with the first order all his life right? Has he been dedicated to janitorial duty the entire time until a month before the movie or is he in the top 1% of stormtroopers? Which is it? Does he have training or is he a nobody with the tiniest amount of training just so that he knows how to just point and shoot? That sounds pretty pathetic if that's all he can do after a lifetime of brainwashing and training.

Since he's spent his whole life cleaning toilets maybe they could have had him use that training at some point. I guess he could scrub the floors of the falcon while Rey uses her skills to repair it and do impress things like that.

Finn doesn't need to start as a pilot since Rey and Poe are both pilots but maybe if he had watched them and tried to learn a new skill during the movie, he could have learned how and then he could have had some sort of use to the resistance after this movie. Literally all he had to contribute was knowledge of death star 3 and that's gone, now he can't even fly a ship to help out in a big battle, he's pretty irrelevant to the story at this point. Rey has no use for him and neither does the resistance since he never learned how to do anything and he's pretty incapable of doing anything on his own.

Or maybe if he never learns to fly, he could demonstrate being talented at something else? Maybe he was trained in hand-to-hand unarmed combat as a trooper? Why not let him be good at that while Rey is good with her staff and learning to use a sword? Let him have something to contribute besides being a nice guy who wants to do the right thing but has no skills or abilities.

What did Finn do to overcome the brainwashing? How is that impressive? Escaping the first order would have been more impressive if he didn't need someone else to get him to safety like he always did. Helping destroy death star 3 was a good thing but it wasn't the focus of the climax, Rey kicking Kylo's ass was.


And both he and Rey were saved the same amount of times
Only if you choose to not count the time Rey led him to a ship and flew him to safety when he was in desperate need of a pilot and his life depended on it. Or when he was captured at Maz's and needed Poe to take out the first order soldiers for him. Or when he was 100% dependent on Rey to repair the falcon and stop the deadly gas leak while he acted like an idiot and failed to help in any way. The hand pull was one quick moment that you're stretching out into two separate rescues though she never needed him to pull her hand at all and you know this. And unlike Rey, Finn didn't get multiple scenes of rescuing himself unassisted from danger. They were not treated equally in terms of requiring rescue and you know that.

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John Boyega and Daisy Ridley are both 24. She plays a 19 year old, and that's probably how old Finn is as well.

Did you miss how good he was with ship guns even though he had never trained on them? And that his use of those guns allowed Poe, Rey, BB8, and himself to escape the First Order?

He overcame his brainwashing probably because he's Force sensitive.

The climax of the movie was both Rey defeating Kylo Ren and the Resistance destroying Starkiller Base. Rey shared her moment of glory in the climax while Luke got his to himself.

No, Rey didn't save his life on Jakku. The stormtroopers were coming for BB8, not Finn. Had he separated himself from Rey and BB8, he would have been in the clear, and Rey would be dead.

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Did you miss how good he was with ship guns even though he had never trained on them? And that his use of those guns allowed Poe, Rey, BB8, and himself to escape the First Order?
He seemed ok with them. He shot a stationary turret at the beginning but they got shot down immediately. Then he shot a single tie fighter before Rey completely took over their team escape and had to line up his shots for him. There was really not much impressive about him using the guns when he needs Rey to do the bulk of his job for him.


He overcame his brainwashing probably because he's Force sensitive
Why are you holding this up as some sort of accomplishment? And the way he got his ass kicked by a single random stormtrooper seems to indicate that he doesn't have a shred of force potential or any sort of talent in him at all.


The climax of the movie was both Rey defeating Kylo Ren and the Resistance destroying Starkiller Base. Rey shared her moment of glory in the climax while Luke got his to himself.
Luke completely shared hi moment with Han while Rey had hers to herself. Han defeated Vader while Luke fired the shot. That is a co-victory. Rey beat Kylo into the ground by herself while Finn lied unconscious in the snow not helping.


No, Rey didn't save his life on Jakku. The stormtroopers were coming for BB8, not Finn. Had he separated himself from Rey and BB8, he would have been in the clear, and Rey would be dead.
Finn was a traitor and being hunted by the first order. If he was captured he would be executed. You know that. He needed Rey to get him to safety because his life depended on it and he couldn't get away on his own. And what about when he was captured at Maz's by the first order and surely going to be executed? He couldn't save himself there and needed to be rescued by another character but you don't count that because it points to the obvious conclusion that Finn needed rescue a hell of a lot more than Rey did. And did Rey not keep him alive by repairing the ship and preventing the toxic gas leak while he demonstrated his uselessness? Compared to waht? That time he could have just siad "run!" and she would have been completely fine? Yeah they're totally equally vulnerable in this movie.

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No escape for Poe, Rey, and BB8 without Finn.

Finn doesn't know how to access the Force, and that stormtrooper was more experienced.

Really, look at Rey's shining moment. No cheers for her, or a medal ceremony. She didn't get to save the galaxy.

The stormtroopers were specifically on Jakku to get BB8. Had Finn separated himself from BB8, he would have gotten away.

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She doesn't need a medal to be the central highlighted hero during the climax of the movie. She got the glory and amazingness of humiliating the main villain by herself without getting even a tiny scratch and then she gets the millenium falcon and personal training from Luke Skywalker. The ending was all about her.

Finn needed the Poe and the Rebellion to rescue him at Maz's didn't he? He needed Rey to stop the falcon from filling up with deadly gas right? Why don't you count that when you tally up rescues?

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She doesn't need a medal to be the central highlighted hero during the climax of the movie. She got the glory and amazingness of humiliating the main villain by herself without getting even a tiny scratch and then she gets the millenium falcon and personal training from Luke Skywalker. The ending was all about her.


So okay for farmer boy to get all this glory, but heaven forbid it happen for a girl.

Honestly, you sound like you're jealous. I think in real life you manbabies are jealous of women who are more successful than you.


Finn needed the Poe and the Rebellion to rescue him at Maz's didn't he? He needed Rey to stop the falcon from filling up with deadly gas right? Why don't you count that when you tally up rescues?


Only because he put himself in danger for Rey. As for the deadly gas, they had oxygen masks.

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So okay for farmer boy to get all this glory, but heaven forbid it happen for a girl.
What are you even talking about? Getting the millenium falcon and personal training from Luke Skywalker is a better reward than a medal. Rey was the unambiguous solo hero at the end of the movie and the only one shown getting any sort of reward.


Honestly, you sound like you're jealous. I think in real life you manbabies are jealous of women who are more successful than you
It's disappointing that you have to resort to childish personal insults rather than discuss the writing in a movie like an adult.


Only because he put himself in danger for Rey
There were numerous times that Finn unnecessarily put himself in danger trying to help Rey but then needed help himself while she saved hersef. So? Does he not need to be rescued here?

Finn needed Poe to rescue him at Maz's. You know you're being dishonest by trying desperately to pretend that he didn't. Rey was nowhere near as vulnerable as Finn was in this movie. A quick hand pull that could have been accomplished by saying "Run!" compared to being rendered helpless and needing a full rescue multiple times.

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It's a little hard to discuss the writing with someone who denies the facts of the story and creates his own reality about it all because he's jealous of the female protagonist.

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So you only responded with more personal insults instead of addressing my points about the film we're here to discuss? Too bad.

I'm discussing the writing with someone who denies the facts of the story and creates her own reality about it all because she loves the female protagonist being better than all the men in every way and would hate for there to be any balance between the leads and yet I'm able to stick to the point and make factual arguments anyway.

Finn needed Poe to rescue him at Maz's. For you to try to deny that is a clear example of you being dishonest to try to pretend that Finn was anywhere close to Rey's equal in terms of vulnerability, needing rescue, or literally any way.

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You obviously didn't see the same movie most of the fans saw.

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And you're too afraid to admit obvious facts about the movie.
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