Riverdale : I'm all for Ethnic mixing…but PLEASE!!

And in some places, you hardly see white people, yet they're predominately featured in all forms of media. The reality is that there's more non-white people in this country than your average American TV show would have you believe. Yet people like you still complain when something isn't white enough. You guys are pigs. Pigs with 10 pieces of cake that are mad because someone else has one piece and you want that one piece too.

And Kirx, I don't even remember your ass but your message is hidden because you're on my ignore list. Must have been a very good reason.

Because these medias are made by white people. But they are closer to reality, than an all ethnicity world, you see in all TV & movies nowadays. Also, the places you're talking about, rarely import their medias, outside of their countries.

Bravo!

And Marco is a racist pos pig too. A ignorant, dumbass pos.

There is no Flash without Iris West.

The ony racist bitch here, is you, honey. Get your pills, and come back never.

You're the only raging *beep* here, putting your race, on top of everything else. Even yourself, as a person. So yeah, you're the only racist piece of *beep* here. Deal with it.

Deal with missing my BLACK ass. How's it taste, honkey? Keep trying. You calling me racist won't change what you are. Choke on it, b!tch.

Ankhs, Hotep's, Coons, and Uncle Tom's will be the death of me.

Who the hell is saying that this show is not "white enough"? If this show included Chuck and Nancy and featured them more prominently there would still be the minority representation and diversity people are apparently seeking and over 50 years of history wouldn't have been crapped all over.

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Who the hell is saying that this show is not "white enough"? If this show included Chuck and Nancy and featured them more prominently there would still be the minority representation and diversity people are apparently seeking and over 50 years of history wouldn't have been crapped all over.

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I have to disagree with the whole "throw in minorities from the comic and feature them prominently" argument. Instead of doing that, the creators are using characters who actually have a place in the current story. In the process, they've changed the races of a few, which allows them to tell the story they want to tell while including diversity at the same time.

I'm amazed that people are whining over something so petty, because I've yet to see how these changes hinder the story in any way.

So if you think these alterations to skin color "crap all over" the Archie comics, then, yes, it does sound like you have some racial issues going on.

Indeed, this is why the boards are about to be shut down.

That makes no sense at all. First, Josie isn't even being utilized. She's made like three appearances to sing lackluster pop covers, while Mr. Weatherbee has not been important to story at all. Second, the writers create the story, so they could just as easily write for Chuck and Nancy as they could for Josie. Finally, comics are a VISUAL medium, so a character's appearance is a big part of who they are. Who here wouldn't have been offended if Chuck was made into a white character for no discernable reason? I know I would have been.

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First, Josie isn't even being utilized. She's made like three appearances to sing lackluster pop covers, while Mr. Weatherbee has not been important to story at all.

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So why should it matter to you what color they are?

The point is that they're present, so instead of making it look like almost everyone in town is white, the creators have added diversity.

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Second, the writers create the story, so they could just as easily write for Chuck and Nancy as they could for Josie.

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I've already addressed this. When they sat down to "create the story," they decided that Chuck and Nancy would not be part of it at this time. You don't force characters in just because they're a certain color. Instead, they decided that the characters who were a part of the story would be racially diverse.

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Finally, comics are a VISUAL medium, so a character's appearance is a big part of who they are.

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You make this claim, and yet you've failed to offer examples of how Weatherbee being white is a big part of who he is, of how Veronica being white is a big part of who she is, of how Josie being white is a big part of who she is, etc.

Perhaps that's a big part of who they are to you. It's obviously not to those who disagree with you.

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When they sat down to "create the story," they decided that Chuck and Nancy would not be part of it at this time. You don't force characters in just because they're a certain color. Instead, they decided that the characters who were a part of the story would be racially diverse

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So you claim that they couldn't utilize Chuck and Nancy for the sake of diversity because they would just be background characters yet you say the following in response to my pointing out that Josie isn't even part of the current storylines:

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So why should it matter to you what color they are?

The point is that they're present, so instead of making it look like almost everyone in town is white, the creators have added diversity.

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Basically, what you're saying is that it's good enough that Josie is there just to add diversity but it wouldn't be good if Chuck and Nancywho have always been African-Americanwere on the landscape just for the purpose of adding diversity. You realize that this is contradictory and in know way offers any valid reason for changing Josie's ethnicity.

What I'm saying is that it wouldn't be good to throw Chuck and Nancy in regardless of their color unless the writers actually had a use for them. The writers actually had a use for Josie and the Pussycats from the comics. They serve as the school band. So the writers threw them in.

And thenthey changed their races for the sake of diversity. Same as Weatherbee, the school principal.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp, or why it upsets you so much that certain characters aren't the same color as they are in the comics. Some of us are just focusing on the characters, not the races.

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I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp, or why it upsets you so much that certain characters aren't the same color as they are in the comics. Some of us are just focusing on the characters, not the races.

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Because it's a big part of who they are. I'd be just as upset if Chuck were changed to a white guy since that is not who he is or who he's ever been. Somehow, I don't think people wouldn't be crying "racist" if that was done, though.

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The writers actually had a use for Josie and the Pussycats from the comics. They serve as the school band. So the writers threw them in.

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As I'm sure you know, Archie, Betty, Veronica, Jughead and Reggie were all part of a band. If the need for this was so great, they simply could have used the Archies, so no, that is not a good reason to make unnecessary changes to characters.

And guess what, all those ethnic minorities already exist within the Archie comic universe which you'd know if you'd simply do some research. And I did say it would have made a lot more sense if they would have included Ginger Lopez instead of changing Veronica as well, so apparently you don't read others' replies either.

You can't say mixed race people! That's our word!

Okay, I can't even say that with a straight face.

She's just a mad ignorant girl throwing words at ppl

There was already plenty of ethnic mixing in the comics. They didn't need to go overboard.

Well personally I like that diversity, idk the comic version

Well if they weren't racist, it wouldn't be an issue that needed to be brought up in the first place. Crawl out of your hole and open your eyes. Every time a character's race is changed (especially if that character is changed to black) someone is crying about it. White and blond are not the only people who watch television. Message boards should be for discussing the show, not complaining about the race of the actors.

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Vigorli~Harmony~Thorki~Stucky I SHIP IT!

What a stupid comment.

I'm not white and I don't like the changes on this show either. I grew up with the comics, and the casting ruined everything my 10 year old self has known about Archie. Stop playing the race card about everything.

I'll admit, as a LONG time reader of Archie comics, I was a little concerned with the amount of character changes being made when I first read about them. But I kept an open mind. And over all, I actually like what I've seen so far. There are three things that still really bother me.

Young Miss Grundy. This might not make me so upset had they not gone with the teacher-student relationship. But this whole set-up was unnecessary. I know, it was done for the sake of drama, but it wasn't done well.

Josie & the Pussycats. Josie was always a little quick on the trigger, and could be brash, but from her first appearance where she ripped Archie, it just made her seem like a b!tch. They could have left the girls just how they were and things would have been fine.

Kevin. Just a catty queen. Not that I haven't had gay friends who act just like him (and they are hilarious to hand out with), but too stereotypical.

But Pop, Wheatherbee, Veronica (oh, yeah, Veronica), Reggie, and others have worked well. I have little issue with it. I know it's a whole new take on the comics, and as a fanboy, I've had to learn to understand what "adaptation" means.

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A skinny black Mr. Weatherbee.

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Like Veronica, I don't mind this twist. This is a dark reimagining after all and he was a minor character anyway.

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An all black Pussycats (Valerie was sufficient).

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Agreed.

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And from the looks of it, an Asian Reggie.

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Yeah but growing on me.

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And since Dilton Doiley and Moose's girlfriend Midge were third tier characters they could have been Asian with no serious compromise to their characters.

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Dilton Doiley IS Asian and Weatherbee IS a third-tier character.

We try but we didn't have long
We try but we don't belong

-Hot Chip (Boy from School)

For those of you who have made civil disagreements with me or even civil agreements with me, thank you for being reasonable.

For those of you who immediately scream racism at anyone who holds a contradicting viewget a life.

For those of you that have watched the show and immediately have a problem with them "mixing a little color in"you are a racist.

Fck you and your hurt ass racist feelings.

There is no Flash without Iris West.

This is probably one of the most stupidest threads I have ever seen.

If you don't like the racial diversity in this show, you don't have to watch it.

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Uh, no. We know non-white people watch stuff that hardly has non-white people in it. I mean, hello! That's most of television and tv right there! If we didn't, we wouldn't have much of anything to watch. It's white people that make a fuss and act all crazy when they don't see enough white people included in something. We've already proven we can relate to characters whether they're our race or not. It's white people that have yet to prove that and it's Hollywood that believes they can't. And this thread further proves that because they're not just talking about race, they'tr complaining about it.

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Well said.

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This is probably one of the most stupidest threads I have ever seen.

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Well said.

The Dilton Doiley on this show _is_ Asian.

OK I saw Episode 3 now and saw Dilton in close-up. So yes he's Asian and that's OK. But I still say they're overdoing it.

They could have just brought characters like Chuck Clayton and Nancy to the forefront without making Chuck a jerk and given Valerie more development than just having her sulk in the background.

So there!

Congratulations on being one of the people responsible for IMDB closing its message boards.

Why? Because I'm willing to voice the opinion I'm entitled to and not scream obscenities or make accusations of being racist when someone contradicts me, like some of the people here?

I've listened to everybody else's opinions without tearing into them the way they do me.

So my opinion could be just as right or wrong as anyone else's.
I say the characters should have been left as they were and others disagree.

If this site is getting shut down it wasn't by people like me who voiced their opinions and statements civilly. It was the others who had to scream and rant self-righteously.

Let me name 12 white characters from the comics:

Archie
Betty
Jughead
Cheryl
Jason
Kevin
Moose

Veronica
Reggie
Josie
Weatherbee
Pop

Instead of ALL 12 being white in the show, the five below the line are people of color, played by capable actors, which does not hurt the story in any way.

Yet some people here complain because they're not white anymore.

Personally, I applaud you for being civil, but I disagree on some points. I haven't noticed the people who made accusations of racism being contradicted.

Actually, episode 3 contradicts those who claimed that there was no reason to make Josie black. The show actually did give a character-related reason not that there needed to be one.

And again, I politely disagree with the whole "bring minority characters like Chuck to the forefront" suggestion. I think that people who make that argument are missing the point. That shouldn't happen unless the story calls for it.

The characters being used on a regular or recurring basis are the ones who have a place in the current story that's being told or may have a place in the future. So the creators decided that some of those characters would have their races changed for the sake of diversity.

There is nothing wrong with that, because it has not hindered the story. That's about the last time I'll say it. Happy viewing.

@jcgoodwin2

Thank you for at least being fairand civil.

I just feel it seems unnecessary to change characters drastically. But in spite of my misgivings I NEVER said it would never work.

I wish the show luck, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't last long.

Thanks, K1. I can understand it seeming unnecessary. I just figure that most civil people would be indifferent about that, while racist people would actually get upset about it.

So while you may not be racist yourself, I can see why some might draw that conclusion about certain people here.

I hope the show lasts a little while too, and I think it can, but I won't be too surprised if it doesn't.

The writers make the story. They could easily have given Chuck more of a presence on the show. I don't have a problem with changing white characters black; I have a problem with changing the characters period. If Chuck would have been made white, Asian or anything else, I would be just as annoyed. Stop jumping to offensive conclusions.

Chuck was a minor character in the comics but a decent guy and a supreme jerk in the TV show.

Why couldn't they have kept him the way he was and just bring him to the forefront?

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If Chuck would have been made white, Asian or anything else, I would be just as annoyed. Stop jumping to offensive conclusions.

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Yeah, you've made that clear, kirx. And once again, you've failed to offer any reason why you're "annoyed" when it comes to skin color. You claim that color is a big part of who Veronica, Weatherbee, Josie, Reggie, and Pop are, but can never explain how.

No one's "jumped" to conclusions with you you've laid the foundation for them with your lack of logic. I'm done repeating this. Be offended all you want.

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Why couldn't they have kept him the way he was and just bring him to the forefront?

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Thanks for keeping it civil, K1. I tried mentioning before that they obviously shouldn't do this with any character unless the story calls for it. Regardless of race, I don't agree with forcing anyone to the forefront unless that's a part of the story the writers want to tell.

And it's not just Chuck who's being changed. Other characters are as well some of whom happen to be white ;).