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The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Definitely Nay for me. While it looks good, the slick visuals are empty and lifeless, like a wax apple. You'd have one on your table, but wouldn't want to eat it.

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Agreed. Although sometimes it's just distracting scenery porn. Although something that distracts from the acting of (all the cast under 30 years old) can't be too bad.

Sometimes a simple built set is a lot better, instead of having to act against just a massive bluescreeen. See here:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SceneryPorn

While George Lucas is not a very good character director, he does know how to impress with his wide pans over alien landscapes in Star Wars. The Gungan bubble-city in Episode 1, the floating city in Empire Strikes Back, the Death Star, as well as the entire Order 66 scene in Revenge of the Sith are good examples that show where he truly excels.
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The battle scenes are like watching a cartoon.

Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

I was thinking the same thing. Too much CGI makes the scene literally "unreal."

Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

I was thinking the same thing. Too much CGI makes the scene literally look "unreal."

Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

"Whether it's a cantina filled with rubber costumed aliens or a cantina filled with digital aliens - it's still just a cantina filled with aliens. I have no problem accepting the make-believe premise either way."

If we could look at this statement for a moment, I would completely agree. However, after seeing what Lucas did with the original trilogy when he made the special editions, I can only assume that he would not agree.

If it were about a cantina filled with aliens, or in the example I am about to use, a palace band made up of aliens (in Jabba's palace in RoTJ) then why did Lucas feel the need of greatly increasing the special effects in this case. It didnt add to the story or really add to anything else (perhaps besides the cost), so in this case it seemed to be unnecessary and a little like showing off for no reason.


"CGI is just an additional tool used to make comprehensive the backgrounds and environments. To me it's nothing more than raw material--like the paint on a brush."

This is personally how I would love to have seen CGI used in the Prequils. Instead of making a physical model of two ships and having to fit the camera in between, they could CGI two ships and have no worries with regards to the camera. However, the thought of 'I can have 100 ships CGIed for pretty much the same cost as 2 ships' seems to have been used a bit, given that a lot of scenes seem far too elaborate and showing off (as mentioned above), than would ever be necessary. Rather than it being the paint on the brush which was used to illustrate the words of the story, it was too often the structural supports, between which the story was slotted in.


One final point I would like to make is with regards to how CGI can get in the way of good story telling. That is think back to the Yoda we all met in the ESB (completely forgetting all other visions of Yoda for a moment if you would). He wasnt a busy character on the screen (because he was very slow and old), but he was shown to be fiesty when attacking R2D2, and capable of using the Force (when liftin the X-Wing), and wise (when advising Luke).

Now if we compare this to the Yoda from AotC we get a very different character. If we just concentrate on the fight scene with Dooku (I think most would agree this to be his main scene in this film) then they could have reintroduced all the points I described above by using very similar methods. However, we saw a character who was one minute hobbling around with a stick, and the next minute jumping around the room and moving faster than most of us could really keep up with. Now this wouldnt be a problem were it a different character, however, a character (normally) should not change so dramatically in such a small space of time (for very little reason or without explanation).

Now had the technology been the same as when making ESB then Yoda couldnt have jumped around, and the story would have had to be written more carefully than simply adding a scene which looked nice, but was essentially useless with regards to the story. In this way I would say the CGI obstructed the story telling.

Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Nay, aside from Revenge of the Sith. That was the only time that I didnt feel that these fake effects were being shoved in everywhere George Mucus could put them. Also 2005 effects were much better than 1999 effects.

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Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Definitely NAY!

episode I was ALL eye candy & very little substance...arguably the WORST movie on the box office Top 10 list!

The original trilogy relied on a little something called "story".

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Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Episode 1 I can't criticize because, when you're 10, you don't notice things like that. So I always loved it after seeing it in cinemas.

The next two, however...

Well there's a reason So Bad It's Horrible is a trope.

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I got to see Empire & Jedi in theaters when I was about 7 or 8 (the original theatrical releases...not the special editions)...that was truly something to behold...especially Jedi...have vivd memories of that theatrical experience...was hoping to relive that when the new trilogy came out....Bah!!!

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Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Yay

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Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Yay for me. Period. While the prequel costumes were the most lavishly designed especially Amidala's.

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With you on this one, bro. It was just that I had the wrong outlook going into Phantom Menace, I thought the point was making the prequels work with the OT into a single 'document' that gelled. Totally unrealistic...! I imagined Lucas hunting down the same cameras they shot the OT with, a bit like Kubrick with his cameras for Barry Lyndon, shooting on the same stock etc. Didnt I watch the SE?! Oh well, the disparity of visions is quite amusing now!



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Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

I don't think I've ever heard anyone shout "Yay!" while watching the Star Wars prequels, so I imagine the answer is "Nay."

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Re: The overuse of CGI in Prequel Star Wars, Yay, nor Nay?

Nay. Some stuff looks pretty good, but most of it looks just fake, especially in Attack of the Clones.
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