Classic Film : OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

And the Nasiest Foreigners of them all, The Irish, will steal away a lot of the UK's Business. Revenge is Sweet.......
The sad thing is that Labor seems totally unable to take advantage of any of this. Jermyn Corbyn comes off as being a Bizarro version of May: A hard line ideologue,and the more moderate labor leaders are fighing too much among themselves.

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

No-one in Britain is bothered about the Irish now they've stopped trying to blow them up. It's those purely economic migrants from Syria and Eastern Europe who are the real 'menace threatening to destroy the country' and must be driven back into the sea at all costs these days. Y'know, the ones taking all the top jobs.

Corbyn's image is more of the well-meaning but completely ineffectual geography teacher in the chalk stained old sports jacket who just can't control his pupils when they storm off in a sulk. It's generally the headbangers around him that he's too nice to reprimand who are the bizarro world hardline nutters dreaming of a golden Stalinist past.


"Security - release the badgers."

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

It's not a sulk, it's a negotiating tactic. May was showing that she wouldn't be bounced into a bad deal just because the clock is ticking, and that the UK has other options. WTO rules wouldn't be ideal for the UK, but they wouldn't be very good for the EU either, and that's rather the point, isn't it? Cameron got nothing from his supposed "renegotiation" because he wasn't prepared to walk away and had no leverage, and everyone knew it.

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It appears to me that May is trying to catch up with Farage who beat her to the punch in establishing a relationship with Trump.

jj

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Trump's rise has caught British politicians off-guard, and I'm sure most would have preferred the more predictable Hillary Clinton to win. They used Trump as an easy target for mockery and virtue-signalling when they thought he had little chance of winning, with both Theresa May and Boris Johnson wading in to criticise him. There was even an embarrassing debate in Parliament about banning him from entering the UK. Most brutally, he was even stripped of his "Global Scot" status by the Scottish Government, something I'm sure has caused him to shed many tears, assuming he's noticed.

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

If it's a negotiating tactic, it's an ineffectual one: threatening to cripple the British economy if she doesn't get what she wants and accepting a much worse deal with the WTO rather than a bad one with the EU (thus making a mockery of her 'no deal is better than a bad deal' soundbite and making it just seem a bit of a strop) isn't much of threat to anyone but her own country. Aside from interpreting Brexit purely as an immigration issue, she seems to be taking a classic Marxist approach to negotiation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Wh66FXZJQ&t=0m33s


"Security - release the badgers."

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

I'm not sure why you think WTO rules would cripple the British economy, but have no effect whatsoever on the EU. You do realise that the EU exports more to the UK than vice versa, don't you? And when the UK leaves it will become the EU's biggest export market. So yes, it would have a very big impact on major European economies and on thousands of European businesses. The effect wouldn't be felt evenly across all EU countries, but we run a trade deficit with most member states, and it will have the biggest impact on the most important and influential ones.

I wouldn't assume that WTO rules would be worse than a bad deal with the EU. A "bad deal" isn't necessarily just about tariffs, it could mean making concessions on regulation, immigration, taxation, etc. And being part of the single market means having to follow most EU legislation without having any voting rights on it, so it's not a question of interpreting Brexit as just being about immigration.

We can argue over the effectiveness of these negotiating tactics, but tactics are what they are. It might have been better if Theresa May love bombed EU leaders and told them we'd be BFFs, while Philip Hammond was left to mutter about WTO rules in the background, but this is near enough. It's a lot better than David Cameron's "please give me something, anything, because I'm desperate and have no choice" version of last year. Ask our former Prime Minister how he thinks that worked out.

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump


You do realise that the EU exports more to the UK than vice versa, don't you?


Indeed, and that's a big part of the problem: the UK is far more dependent on imports than it should be (more than half of the UK's food is imported), which weakens any aggressive bargaining position. The UK farming industry and low prices at supermarkets only survive because of EU subsidies that enable farms to survive when supermarkets and food wholesalers pay less than it costs to produce food. By appointing Andrea Leadsom to agriculture when she's made it clear she not only wants all farm subsidies abolished but thinks there's no need to even have a UK farming industry because the country imports so much, it's pretty clear there'll be no further support past 2020 - which for a start means higher prices as the pound continues to plummet. Put heavy tariffs on the food that's imported from the EU, prices in the UK stores go up, effectively punishing the British and limiting (or in some cases completely eliminating) their disposable income and spending power. And that's ignoring the fact that even though only 25% of the UK's food is imported from the EU, the prices most food producers buy their ingredients at are set in dollars, which is why 5-10% price rises are on the cards this year. Nor is it just agriculture that suffers: look at the number of British companies that import parts from overseas.

Then there's the issue of red tape for anyone who imports or exports: not only will every single deal have to be renegotiated, but the amount of paperwork and red tape from the result increases. At present the UK can export or import to or from 27 countries quite freely whereas importing from countries outside the EU is a mass of paperwork, customs declarations, etc: outside the single market every single item, no matter how small, you send out to an EU country has to be accompanied by a customs declaration and the attendant delays on delivery. And that's before the common external tariff the EU imposes on all WTO countries: despite the Favored Nation clause, the EU can still impose higher tariffs on individual countries.

Then there's the loss of banks' 'passporting' ability to offer cross border services within the EU, the loss of tax revenue if May and Hammond carry out their threat to turn the UK into a tax haven (making a mockery of May's claims to want to clamp down on tax evasion, but probably boosting the family finances since her husband's job involves helping major companies avoid paying UK tax) which will combine with inflation to weaken consumer confidence and spending, which was only starting to recover after years of pointless austerity, the difficulty of negotiating new trade deals with non-EU markets (India, China and now Australia all have made it clear they want restrictions on VISAs for their citizens and students lifted and guaranteed freedom of movement as a prelude to deals and May has made it equally clear that ain't gonna happen on her watch)... It's hard to see where taking an aggressive no surrender approach before negotiations when it's clear that the UK stands to lose more than the EU is a smart move. I'm struggling to see any upside here.


It's a lot better than David Cameron's "please give me something, anything, because I'm desperate and have no choice" version of last year


I think it's just as moronic and self-defeating, just in a different way. For him it was his usual laziness and complacency, with her it feels more like an opportunity for posturing with her trotting out her 'lady's not for turning' impersonation. A more sensible approach would be to talk softly but carry a big stick - but the trouble is, the UK really doesn't have that big a stick.




"Security - release the badgers."

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

That's what I like about you, Trevor, you're always looking on the bright side.

I don't see the UK's trade deficit with the EU as a disadvantage. It's generally buyers who have the leverage, because buyers can usually go elsewhere. If the situation was reversed and we ran a trade surplus, I don't think you would claim that the UK had the advantage because "they need to buy our exports"!

Food prices won't necessarily be higher beyond the short term. The EU imposes high tariffs on food imports which the UK will no longer have to apply once it leaves. It could make FTAs with food producing countries that would reduce import tariffs to zero if it wanted to. I also wouldn't assume that the pound won't recover, or that the supermarkets will automatically pass on price rises to consumers - we've already seen that they won't. The UK should be able to find much cheaper sources of food outside the EU, so I wouldn't assume that price rises are more than a short term thing.

There's no chance that the UK will scrap farming subsidies, because they are economically necessary and generally have public support. They're not guaranteeing the same level of payments because there will have to be a new system, and there's not much point in creating a new system that simply replicates all the failings of the CAP. Rural areas are also strongly Tory-voting, so a Tory government isn't going to start taking money away from its supporters for no reason. (Although, of course, we don't know what Jeremy Corbyn will do when he becomes Prime Minister )

Paperwork and customs forms are something that all exporters have to deal with, it's the nature of the game. Yes, it will be slightly more complex, but it's not something that these companies aren't doing for every other market already.

Free movement of people is not something that China or India will expect in any trade deal, although they might want some kind of visa arrangement. But I don't think "free movement" was really what you meant anyway. I'm sure the UK would be happy with a special "Chinese millionaire tourists fast track come and buy over-priced bling in London" visa.

I wouldn't assume that lower tax rates means lower revenues. The Irish government has made enormous amounts of money from its low tax policies, encouraging multinational companies to set up an HQ with two men and a dog in an office in Cork, and then funnelling their overseas income through Ireland.

As I said, we can argue over the effectiveness of their tactics, but "Speak softly and carry a big stick" is sort of what May and Hammond were trying to do. Or, more realistically, speak softly and carry a small stick.

Re: OT- if the Londoners could survive the "blitz" we can survive Trump

The great British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli was once asked to explain the difference between a misfortune and a calamity. Disraeli named his political rival and frequent adversary James Gladstone and replied, "If Gladstone fell into the Thames, it would be a misfortune. If someone dragged him out, it would be a calamity."

That about sums up the feelings of many about President Donald Trump: That he was astonishingly elected to the Presidency of the US was a misfortune. Today's inauguration begins the calamity portion of the process we must now endure for the next several years.

I don't know that it's fair to compare the Trump Administration to the London Blitz. But since the metaphor has been introduced, it's appropriate to note that although it is indeed true that London survived the Battle of Britain, during the Blitz some 32,000 civilians were killed, and 87,000 more were seriously injured. Two million homes were destroyed.

When I'm talking to my friends overseas, I usually have the illogical thought, "Do they know? Do they know who we elected? What in the world will they think?" The revelation is that embarrassing. Just this morning, a friend of mine asked me whether it's more appropriate to present to the world a united front, and create the illusion that we're behind our new leader? Or should we allow the world to see the protests, the discord, the confusion--and, yes, the calamity? I told her my opinion is that it doesn't matter. The world already knows the doubt, the insecurity, and the fear.

In David Shields' and Shane Salerno's terrific biography of Jerome Salinger, the authors express eloquently the doubts experienced by Salinger and the other military personnel when they discovered and liberated the death camps at the end of World War II: Those soldiers wondered, legitimately, Did we really win the war? Or did we arrive too late?

I think that's a feeling of confusion many of us will be experiencing over the next few years, particularly those of us who voted for Donald Trump, when we see the ultimate results of the election--the border wall, the expulsions, the deportations, the restrictions on immigration: Was it worth it? Did the end results justify the beginnings, or the means? Does the United States still stand for liberty, peace, and freedom?

Somebody on this board noted fairly recently that this will be an era when many of us will need to find courage. I believe that. And a few days ago, at President Obama's final press conference, he called upon those among us who toil in the media to remain vigilant, so reveal to the world through the media when we violate our principles, to help guide us when we're wrong, to correct our course and point out the path of sense and sanity when we stray.

I think President Obama was exactly correct, but I don't think the responsibility rests exclusively with the media. Eternal vigilance is the cost of liberty. And I think every one of us who loves and treasures peace, freedom, truth, and openness in the United States will eventually need to step up and shoulder some of the burden.

We owe that much to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and the rest of those prescient, forward-thinking people from centuries ago who toiled to create a free nation which cherished liberty...and deplored the oppression and intolerance which threaten our daily lives.





Redefining Sixty

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We owe that much to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and the rest of those prescient, forward-thinking people from centuries ago who toiled to create a free nation which cherished liberty...and deplored the oppression and intolerance which threaten our daily lives.

You mean the guys who created the foundation of the US legal system while leaving slavery intact?

jj

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His Inaugration speech was just a rehash of his campaign speeches.
I take comfort from the fact that Trump might just be too incompetent to carry out many of his programs.

thanks for your thoughtful post!

I can't figure out what's going on.
Why women would vote for this guy---and they are the MAJORITY of the electorate in the USA.

I HOPE and trust that the Washington Bureaucracy will put paid to all this, and most of his "promises."

THEY are the real power in our government.

The massive profit that MEDIA has made out of our pain, and our election, wouldn't be so bad, if the cutesy news-commentators weren't constantly giggling and grimacing about everything.
It is agonizing to watch them, and wonder: just where are their brains?

"We will bury you"-NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV

Re: women

Well, if Mr. Hairdon't (a.k.a. the Trumpster) makes it illegal for women to vote in the future, then those women will only have themselves to blame. They won't get to vote for ANYONE in 2020.

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Re: Let's end this thread but one more thing…

Re: What's the hurry?

Why the rush in ending this thread? The Obama birther issue went on for 8 years...

I didn't click on the link you posted, but is it a link to the women protesting? Personally, I'm all in favour of women doing this. I suppose that this might come as a surprise to some folks, but many American women still want to have the right to vote in 2020 (and afterwards), and they don't want rape to be made legal (among other things). Hence the protests.

By the way, there was a protest in my city as well (no, I didn't attend):

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/women-march-edmonton-1.3946859

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/thousands-gather-at-alberta-legislature-for-sister-march-protesting-trump-1.3251481

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Re: What's the hurry?

They weren't all women, MsEq.
There were quite a number of men and children in the protest marches, too.
God bless them all!

Re: What's the hurry?

Good to know that there are enough men who are willing to devote their time to such a cause.

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Re: the protests/marches

By the way, I heard that the Trumpster wants to know why the USA women at the rallies/marches didn't vote. How does he know they didn't vote?

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Re: the protests/marches

Of course they vote, MsEq.
That was a typical example of Trumpian idiocy.

Re: it's probably time to………

So the time has come for a lot of people to simply ignore Trump when he gets like that. Unless he has proof that these people didn't vote, his statement means nothing.

At the same time, if some of those folks didn't vote when they had the chance, then they should have zipped it up and gone home.

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The same way he "knows" the collective IQ of his cabinet is the highest of any that ever existed: he heard it said by someone he considers infallible...himself.

It seems to me the only way to understand how those in this new administration intend to operate is to recognize that they consider it a combination "reality TV show/infomercial:" it begins and ends with image and promotion.

Just as it makes no difference whether some has-been celebrity actually uses and swears by the effectiveness of an exercise device, ingestible weight-loss product, age-erasing skin application, reverse mortgage or whatever, it doesn't matter to the administration if their claims are true or even if they believe them: all that matters is how many others they can get to believe them.

And since Kellyanne Conway has now declared that lies are to be considered merely "alternative facts," the lie becomes their reality if enough people swallow it. And so they don't have to lift a finger to vanquish ISIS, create jobs, guarantee healthcare, resolve trade imbalances, etc. They need only to claim they have. And if they develop a large enough customer base to buy it, then - to quote a slogan of another administration - mission accomplished.

It's been this way since the beginning, when the now-POTUS was telling the country about a team of investigators in Hawaii who "can't believe what they're finding" about the last president's birth, right through to his description of a modest electoral victory as a "landslide" and those of recent days of "the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period" in direct contradiction of empirical evidence.

And if there's anyone who believes this m.o. is going to change, then I'll be happy to offer them the deed to Trump Tower for the bargain basement price of only $100 million (certified check only).



Poe! You are...avenged!

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So what exactly ARE they finding in Hawaii regarding Obama's birth?

As for the number of people who voted for Trump, Hillary, etc., all that can be looked up.

As for his swearing-in ceremony....it was held on a Friday morning. Do people generally take time off work to watch it? Is it shown in offices and schools? Is it something that usually attracts lots of viewers? I'm just curious.

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People's hatred for Trump even making them want to pretend they don't understand how communication works. You get nowhere with anyone if your sole intention is to think worse of their every utterance. "I wish you didn't do that." "You WHAT? Are you threatening me?" "No, look, you're spilling coffee. I'll get the mop." "You better not! Murder!" *runs into traffic and dies*

http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-obama-birth-certificate-fake-heading-to-congress/

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Give it up, 'Henrey'. Your idol is turning out to be Richard Nixon minus the brains, charisma and wit. His own worst enemy is himself, and next to himself that horde of jack-in-the-boxes he's assembled as a staff. If his tweets don't shoot him down in flames the ineptitude of his own people (not to mention his own) will.

People "hate tRump" because he's a venal hack, a traitor, and a danger to national unity, peace and security. If you have a problem with the way Americans are responding to this, I suggest you stay nice and warm in your (likely government subsidized) lodgings up there in FinniNavia, and stick with Sponge Bob reruns for a while. We'll settle this just fine without you.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: What does this have to do with………

What does your paragraph have to do with what I wrote? I asked about the Hawaii findings and about whether or not the swearing-in ceremony is shown in workplaces/schools in the States. I was inquiring about information - nothing more and nothing less.

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Re: What does this have to do with………

MrsE wrote:
"By the way, I heard that the Trumpster wants to know why the USA women at the rallies/marches didn't vote. How does he know they didn't vote?"

If someone is holding violent/obnoxious protests (like Madonna joking she wanted to bomb the white house), and someone replies why didn't they vote, is it really necessary to explain what that tweet meant? You can't be this stupid. Is it really necessary to explain how democracy works? You don't get what you want by breaking a window of a bus stop, you go to the ballot box and vote.

I posted a link regarding Obama's alleged fake. I can tell you what Trump said long prior to being elected president (I heard him say it, didn't read about it): maybe the original document of birth said Obama was muslim. This is interesting because nobody will print this on CNN etc. Maybe Obama is muslim and that's why they faked the document. They didn't want people to know Obama was muslim. In many muslim nations, those that are "moderate" by liberals's standards, you can talk about the Bible etc. but once you get baptised they will chop your head off (and now please don't claim converting to Christianity isn't a capital crime in those countries, it most definitely is). So, for someone born as a muslim, even if they don't practice, believe in it etc. they are muslim - unless they are water baptized into Christianity. The Evangelical leaders can explaint this better than I. American voters, had they known Obama was born as actual muslim, wouldn't have voted for him. That's why Obama had the document faked.

Everything Obama does is advancing radical, extremist islam. He has helped to set the mideast on fire. He might have done it out of the sheer belief Muslim Brotherhood (terrorist organization in many countries, that had access to White House) are good guys. They are not. He might have done this because he respects his father. He might be generally confused. But acts matter, not intentions when you're the president. The world is a dangerous place because of his politics.

Re: What does this have to do with………


Everything Obama does is advancing radical, extremist [Islam]. He has helped to set the mideast on fire.


The Mideast was on fire when Obama took office.

jj

Re: What does this have to do with………

I'm sure that a handful of them didn't vote. How does Trump know that NONE of them voted? Were all of them interviewed? Every single one of the 500 000 demonstrators?

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Re: What does this have to do with………

Yes, because that is what the short tweet literally meant. Have you thought about a career in American politics, maybe as a press secretary for the DNC? Having a Canadian birth certificate won't be a problem, they'll get you a new one.

Today people could be talking about some major, positive events, Trump getting America out of the TPP, to the praise of former rival Bernie Sanders.


(I am glad the Trans-Pacific Partnership is dead and gone,” Sanders said. “For the last 30 years, we have had a series of trade deals – including the North American Free Trade Agreement, permanent normal trade relations with China and others – which have cost us millions of decent-paying jobs and caused a ‘race to the bottom' which has lowered wages for American workers. Now is the time to develop a new trade policy that helps working families, not just multinational corporations. If President Trump is serious about a new policy to help American workers, then I would be delighted to work with him.”

Hillary Clinton once called the agreement the “gold standard” for trade deals. She reversed her position when it proved to be widely unpopular with the Democratic base, once again proving to her detractors that she would say and do anything to get elected.


and Americans Overwhelmingly Support Obamacare Repeal, and Peace talks in Syria make progress after America (Obama) no longer insists Assad be replaced with something much worse.

But no, squabble about how to interpret short tweets and how to impeach the President over them is what makes the liberals tick.

Re: Honestly, I hope…

Honestly, I hope that Trump will fix the economy. He's a brilliant businessman and he should be able to do this. I hope that he approves the Keystone Pipeline, because that will mean more jobs for my province. The pipeline is to travel from our oilsands to Texas.

The thing is that human rights issues can't be neglected, and I don't blame people for going out to march for women's rights. There were a number of marches in my country, including my city. Of course most of the participants in the Canadian marches didn't vote in the American elections (not eligible), unless they hold an American citizenship. Then hopefully they did vote. The point was to march for women's rights and to show support for American women, who likely won't even get to vote in 2020. I'm also sure that most women don't want to see sexual harassment become legal again in workplaces.

And no, I haven't considered a career in American politics. I hate politics and I have NO desire to leave Canadian soil. I've never wanted to set foot outside of Canada, and I probably never will.

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Re: Honestly, I hope…


I hope that he approves the Keystone Pipeline, because that will mean more jobs for my province.

Problems with the Keystone Pipeline (all such pipelines suffer leaks sooner or later) will - not may -permanently destroy significant freshwater resources in the US Midwest and South.

Learn to weave baskets or something.

jj

Re: Ha….

Ha....go ahead and submit those thoughts in the form of a letter to the editor to my city's right-leaning newspaper and see what kind of a reaction you get.

Pipelines aren't safe, but they seem to be safer than the oil tankers which sometimes get into car accidents and then there are major oil spills.

Besides, I thought that Obama had come up with a different route for the pipeline which was more universally accepted. Then he didn't approve it, after all.

Even if Trump approves this pipeline, doesn't mean that it will be approved by my province leader. To make a long story short, this Conservative province is currently being led by a far-left party. We'll see what they agree to do. I have no say in it, of course.

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Re: Ha….


currently being led by a far-left party


Far out!

jj

Re: it got approved

I heard that the Trumpster approved the Keystone Pipeline, by the way.

And sounds like even our province leader is enthusiastic about it.

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Re: Jus soli and jus sanguinis


and I have NO desire to leave Canadian soil. I've never wanted to set foot outside of Canada, and I probably never will.


I believe you. Besides, the outside, objective world could be terrible for you. Furthermore, any other country would have to consider very seriously and very carefully the possibility of allowing you to enter its territory. Canada has to accept you because you probably have jus soli rights; perhaps even jus sanguinis ones, since you seem to be so sanguine...



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Re: Jus soli and jus sanguinis

PS. No, dear, jus sanguinis has nothing to do with tomato juice.

It's NOT even a Bloody Mary...





Even FOX NEWS is now calling TRUMP a LIAR henrey!


The photos that Fox News put up, which look exactly like The New York Times analysis were taken at the same time of 11:15 AM.

Chief of Staff Priebus was not telling the truth, and that is what this dispute is really about. The fact that the Trump administration is so willing to make up their own reality is part of a much bigger and more dangerous problem.

If the Trump White House will lie about something as minor as inauguration crowd size, they won't hesitate to tell big lies. The kinds of falsehoods that lead to wars and American men and women dying.

The Trump team is so far gone that even Fox News isn't going the whole way down the trail of lies with them. The facts aren't a conspiracy against Trump, and an administration that refuses to live in reality presents a grave danger to its own people and the rest of the world.

The inaugural crowd size lie is a symptom of much more dangerous condition.

Re: Even FOX NEWS is now calling TRUMP a LIAR henrey!

Jeff, he's Nixon redux. tRump will lie for the sake of telling a lie if it can be related back to his own self-delusional notions of his grandiosity. He dwells within his own 'reality' bubble, has all his life, has never had any need or reason to pry himself out of it, and at seventy years old is no longer psychologically able to do so (if he ever was). The problem is, he now occupies a position where that sort of sealed-environment mentality is not only embarrassing to the nation, it's an active danger to the world as a whole.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: the protests/marches


So what exactly ARE they finding in Hawaii regarding Obama's birth?
I'll put it this way: what his "investigators" found in Hawaii have something in common with his tax returns...we'll never see any of it.

There's also a difference between them: the tax returns actually exist.


Poe! You are...avenged!

Re: the protests/marches

Except that...are they going to harass Obama about it now? What good would that do? He's already served two terms as president. They can't turn back the clock and undo his presidency.

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Re: the protests/marches

Oh, it's nothing to be taken at all seriously, although there remain a few diehards still flailing away at it (if you noticed in Henrey's reply to you above). Trump pounded on it for five years and then dropped it last year. The claim about investigators in Hawaii is something he trotted out from time to time during that period.


Poe! You are...avenged!

Re: the protests/marches

Uh, he served two TERMS as president, MsEq.

Re: the protests/marches

Even Trump has the sense to drop the "Brither" nonsense. Not Henrey.
The thing about Trump is he does not even know how to lie intelligently.And for him to waste his first few days as President in a feud about the size of the inaugratation crowds.....Even the GOP commentatros are giving him hell over that.

Re: the protests/marches

You do mean "birther", don't you dal?
I can understand that sending messages via smart phone could result in typos.
For myself, my eyesight is so poor that I couldn't even see the letters on a phone.

Re your earlier post: no, I do not believe that all Democrats are good and all Republicans are bad.
The fact that Republicans are already disgusted with Trump proves that.
As for the Dems, one of the most respected of NY pols, House Speaker Sheldon Silver, was last year proven guilty of accepting bribes and other crimes.
So, it isn't black-and-white.

Re: fixed

I fixed my mistake. Thanks.

(I'm surprised that the usual CFB lynch mob hasn't shown up to smirk and sneer at me about the typo.)

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