The Lord Of The Rings : Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

AUJ: 303M (no Tauriel)
DOS: 258M (Tauriel)
BOTFA: will top out under 258M (Tauriel)

Tauriel made Middle Earth drop under 300M despite 3D and inflation. Fact.

PJ expected 9 years old girls to drive Tauriel boxoffice. But that didn't happen. Fans of the source gave her the finger and 9 years olds didn't care cause they had Frozen princesses and whatever else they watched this year instead of tauriel's stupid sh!t. here's the proof:


Yeah, there’s negative reaction from Tolkien fans, but then you have a nine-year-old girl who goes to the movie and she’s delighted that there’s a character she can relate to. So it depends on what side of the track you want to come from. […] Then you’ve got the king and you’ve got a son, and stories are best told with three people, not two, because then you can create conflicts and triangles. So we wanted a third elf character. Was this a chance to put a female role in the story? Because there are so few female roles. Also you do have a lot of young girls seeing this film, and they should have somebody in there who they can empathize with. It was a very cold-blooded decision. Yes, OK, a female elf. And that was how it came about…



You have to be aware of your audience or otherwise you’re just not doing your job. I just think of all those eight-year-old, nine-year-old, 10-year-old girls who come to see these films. Who are they going to actually empathize with? At least they have Tauriel. At least they know how to kill Orcs now. So that could come in handy one day. We are teaching girls good skills!


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/no-regrets-peter-jack son-says-goodbye-to-middle-earth.html

So, Boyens and PJ tried to convince us that Hobbit absolutely needed "feminine energy", but audience rebelled against it and result is boxoffice nose-dive in North America despite 3D and 10 years inflation. Which was enough to prevent DOS and BOTFA from hitting 1B like AUJ.

Ponder this irony. if they didn't try to appeal to audience that doesn't have interest in these movies to begin with and who have their own idols who are much younger than Evangeline Lilly (why would 9 years olds care for 35 years old actress when they have actresses in their teens like Chloe Moretz or early 20s like JLaw?), they would've had bigger boxoffice because fans wouldn't have been turned away in disgust. But Tauriel put off Tolkien fans and failed to attract new audience. cause everyone smelled a turd and ran in opposite direction. Fact.

Tauriel = boxoffice poison and PJ only has himself to blame. Fans were very vocally against her so he could have scrapped her altogether. Now he ended up with boxoffice downfall. Ha!

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

*Loser alert*

Tauriel made Middle Earth drop under 300M despite 3D and inflation. Fact.

it isn't "fact" at all. The likeliest reason that the final Hobbit film didn't match earlier numbers is series fatigue. Nothing more. A quick survey in the here and now amongst people I know who have watched most/all of Jackson's ME films confirms this, albeit it's only a small survey.

Linking the numbers of BOTFA to a single character is utterly ridiculous. And your apparent satisfaction at your own logic is even more so. What an insignificance you must be.

"He was one mailroute away from being Cliff Claven"

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

You are wrong. Her arrival did create boxoffice drop because she was unpopular addition sight unseen and turned even worse when movies were seen. Tauriel buzz is bad and her stupid romance is cited one of main reasons why BOTFA is considered the worst of 3 movies. Yes, there is fatigue but useless characters like her are major reason for fatigue.

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

You are wrong. Her arrival did create boxoffice drop because she was unpopular addition sight unseen and turned even worse when movies were seen.

Don't come at me with your opinion, then link it to business performance with claims that are not substantiated by any factual science, and tell me I'm "wrong". I won't tell you again: repeat telling me I'm "wrong" because I don't share your personal opinion and I'll just block you.

Fine if you don't like her, don't like what she brings and don't like the love triangle (I can't say I am its biggest fan) - that's totally fine as it's a personal opinion. But if you are stating as fact that it is solely responsible for the lower numbers, you need to supply evidence. It's not enough to just make the claim, especially if you want others to agree with you.

See the difference?

"He was one mailroute away from being Cliff Claven"

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

Hi Corsten;

"Don't come at me with your opinion, then link it to business performance with claims that are not substantiated by any factual science."

Exactly.
Correlation does not = causation.
1. Before DOS was released, what was known about Tauriel by the film distributors and wider movie going audience?
Almost all of whom had not read the Tolkien books and who do not discuss Tolkien characters online?
Nothing to almost nothing.
2. "An Unexpected Journey" had lots of book deviations which should be expected since the Jackson LOTR movies had many book deviations. Book deviations alone cannot be a deciding factor for more or less box office.
* Speaking scientifically there is no baseline of a purely accurate Jackson / Tolkien film (compared with the books).
There are too many variables to show that the name Tauriel alone kept people away from theaters.

* And now some numbers from box office mojo.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=basic&id=vs-lot r.htm

A. Opening weekend between AUJ, DOS & the LOTR films box office.
"Unexpected Journey" opened in 4,045 US theaters (opening weekend box office = $84,617,303).
"Desolation of Smaug" opened in 3,903 US theaters (opening weekend box office = $73,645,197).
- Obviously 142 fewer theaters helped to reduce box office in the opening weekend for DOS.
But why the fewer theaters before the movie was released?
That would be a decision by studio execs and their accounting people.
Since when would they base their decision on a completely new supporting character who doesn't show up until the middle of the film?
* What makes sense imo is that the accounting people;
- Saw that AUJ underperformed compared with the LOTR movies.
All of the LOTR films had higher US box office compared with AUJ (even without adjusting for inflation).
And I expect that the accounting people also used computer formulas to predict that a second movie in this trilogy would have worse box office. And often they would be right.
- So, that is why DOS had fewer theaters compared with AUJ imo.
Because after AUJ The Hobbit films were expected to underperform the LOTR films and DOS was expected to have less box office as a sequel in a trilogy.

* As for "Battle of the Five Armies"; it is pretty much matching what DOS did.
If Tauriel was completely toxic for the US viewer, then another movie with her character (BOTFA) should have bombed.
But it didn't.

"Fine if you don't like her, don't like what she brings and don't like the love triangle (I can't say I am its biggest fan) - that's totally fine as it's a personal opinion. But if you are stating as fact that it is solely responsible for the lower numbers, you need to supply evidence. It's not enough to just make the claim, especially if you want others to agree with you."

Agreed.
The evidence for the average US viewers hating Tauriel theory is not there.

BB ;-)

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Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!


Linking the numbers of BOTFA to a single character is utterly ridiculous.



^This OP is undoubtedly a blithering idiot.

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Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

That's just the domestic numbers. In global box office, the movie would have made more than a billion had it not been for the change in foreign exchange rates:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-hobbits-billion-dollar-box-7 69071


The 15 percent drop is the most dramatic example of the precarious financial position Hollywood studios find themselves in because of shifting currencies. Battle of the Five Armies had grossed north of $620 million offshore as of Jan. 29 for a worldwide total of $867 million. Were it not for the exchange-rate debacle, the film could have crossed $1 billion.

Major studios aren't the only ones suffering. The Hunger Games: Mockingjay — Part 1 outperformed The Hunger Games: Catching Fire in both France and Germany, but dollar revenue dipped in both territories. For an independent title like Hunger Games, the currency drop hits the local buyers, who pay in dollars but collect in euros. "If the euro weakens, it will have a real impact," says Al Munteanu, CEO of German distributor SquareOne Entertainment.




Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

LOL, no. There's no such thing as "right" rate. So if rate is less favorable, sell more tickets. But this thing sold less tickets in US while not selling enough overseas to bridge the gap. Also, you can look at it as "if rate was like this in 2012 than AUJ wouldn't have passed 1b either." Ha!

That's why domestic boxoffice is much better indicator of popularity or lack thereof. It's stable so one can follow ups and downs based on fandom increase/decrease instead of getting inconclusive results from expanded markets, fluctuant rates, etc.

And when it comes to Murica, Tauriel arrival = Hobbit drop

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

And when it comes to Murica, Tauriel arrival = Hobbit drop

Still spinning that one, eh?

What you need to do is flash-survey a small group, say 300 cinema-goers who watched AUJ and DOS but didn't watch BOTFA and ask them why they didn't when they saw the other two. Then, if 150+ cite Tauriel as the reason, you can claim your case right. As things stand, in spite of my asking for some science behind your claim, you have nothing.

In short, your claim is worthless. It's your opinion only, and repeating it ad nauseum doesn't make it any more true. It just makes you look a nutter.


That's why domestic boxoffice is much better indicator of popularity or lack thereof

Typical American-centric thought process. All it does is highlight the trend…in the US. Which is one part of the world. Certain films are wildly more popular outside the States, for example Pirates OTC, Harry Potty and to a lesser degree, LOTR (23%, 28% and 33% of their business respectively in the last film in each franchise, in the US). Others do far more business, proportionately, in the US, such as Batman and The Avengers (both had films that did at least 41% of their overall business in the US). Not one Hobbit film did 30% of its total business in the US. Therefore, using the US box-office as an indicator of popularity is desperate, at best. How can you judge something's popularity based on a set of numbers that make up less than a third of the overall picture?

What the science I've provided tells us is that certain franchises are more popular in the US, proportionately, than others. It also tells us that your point doesn't hold water.

In the end, internet nutters just believe what they want to - and to hell with the statistics.

"He was one mailroute away from being Cliff Claven"

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

Typical American-centric thought process.

Quite aside from the fact that "America" technically includes 34 sovereign states (other than the United States), Greenland (which is an autonomous country of Denmark), as well as overseas French departments, British territories, and constituent countries of the Netherlands.

Those places have 634 million inhabitants of America who do not live in the US.

(That aside, box office numbers and mass approval doesn't make either blockbusters or independent films necessarily good or bad; that's for each viewer to decide for themselves.)

So much for 'Murica hating Tauriel, anyway.

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

I had to look up Tauriel so apparently she wasn't the reason I didn't care for the Hobbit movies.

My reason for not liking them (I haven't even bothered to see the third film and neither of my kids have bought the dvd- if it's out yet) is that they just aren't that good. That's not compared to LOTR or anything else; they're just not that interesting and there's too many things that turn me off to explain.

Most of the negative reviews I've read haven't mentioned Tauriel. I'd just like to know why a few of the dwarves look like Gimli while others look human. Allergic to makeup or they needed to be "handsome"?



I only have one person on ignore, but I've had to ignore him 625 different times.

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

Indy; now that all the Hobbit films are on Blu-ray, the Tauriel problem will be easy for me to fix imo.
I'll just simply skip her worst scenes which I define as any interaction she has with Kili.

It's the same with Radagast and his cr@p hair in AUJ, I just fast forward through that.

Ziiiip, done.

BB ;-)

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Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

I was actually more disappointed in the titular character being frequently sidelined in favor of Broody McHotDwarf than I was with Turiel and her stupid romance with Kili the Half Elven.

Though it was #2. You can't sit there and claim a character is about "feminine empowerment" when she was inserted solely to have a romance. I'm been told it pretty much ruins the tragedy of the Nephews dying for their Uncle, but it wasn't like the filmmakers cared about that relationship at all.

That was another thing that pissed me off, all this extra time, and they waste it on shoehorning in a romance rather spending more time with Bilbo or the actually developing the dwarves as characters, including Thorin's relationship with his Nephews. The fact that it is not even mentioned until 2/3 of the way through the second film was....

Aaaargh!

I haven't even bothered to see the third one yet. I'm waiting to see it free at the campus theatre next month.

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They f^^ked up these movies so badly that I'm beyond happy that they ended up with no awards, no critical acclaim, disgruntled fans and boxoffice on par with LOTR despite inflation, 3D, expanding markets and double-triple size budget (means far less profitable than LOTR). serves greedy cash grab blob Jackson right.

Re: Hobbit boxoffice nose-dive: F^^k yeah Murica hates Tauriel!

by roxelana;

"They f^^ked up these movies so badly that I'm beyond happy that they ended up with ... boxoffice on par with LOTR despite inflation, 3D, expanding markets and double-triple size budget (means far less profitable than LOTR). serves greedy cash grab blob Jackson right."

- The LOTR films were released over 10 years ago and the film industry has changed drastically with piracy and streaming.
- Good or bad, the Hobbit movies made lots of money compared with films being released today.
* The Hobbit movies were designed to get the maximum amount of money out of limited material.
And they suceeded with that.

- As for Tauriel, I've stated on this Board before that I didn't want her having a romance with Kili.
A 600+ year old elf (and a 70+ year old dwarf) falling in love almost immediately like the teenage Romeo and Juliet doesn't work for me.
- But I also understand PJ and Fran going for the teenage girl (Twilight) audience.
And looking at the IMDb ratings breakdown, the girl category (Females under 18) gave the Hobbit movies the highest ratings.
- 8.7 for AUJ
- 8.8 for DOS
- 8.7 for BOTFA

And some older romance lovers went for the Tauriel / Kili pairing as most of the comments on this website show.
http://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com/blogs/2013/12/concerning-dwarves-and-elves-the-state-of-kili-and-tauriel-in-the-hobbit

* I am not anti-romance. But a love story has to work with who the characters are.
And with Tauriel that meant a 600+ year old elf having a romance with a 2000+ year old elf, Legolas.
I think that made more sense. It would be more like Arwen / Aragorn about pledges and trust which fits Tolkien's world.
No swooning I admit. Not over the top out of your mind love.
But more in keeping with the experiences of the characters (knowing each other for 600 years).

And I wish I would not have heard this speech.

Tauriel: If this is love, I do not want it. Take it away, please. Why does it hurt so much?
Thranduil: Because it was real.


Teenagers talking like this? Fine, I can deal with that.
But an elf, who is thousands of years old, talking with a 600+ year old female elf (Tauriel) about a person (Kili) she spent about a few hours with?
No.

* But lets forget my reaction and just look at the box office.
In terms of making money the Hobbit films were a huge success.

BB ;-)

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