Science : First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

Scientists analyzed 863 genomes from a worldwide sampling of chickens and found that modern chickens descended primarily from ancient chickens that lived in what is now Myanmar, Laos, Thailand and southwestern China.

"Where the chicken is really from is a very important question for understanding when the chicken was domesticated," said the study's co-author Ming-Shan Wang, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of California Santa Cruz's Paleogenomics Lab.

Previous research was limited, Wang told CNN, because these studies were based on genetic information from mitochondrial DNA or "scarce genomic data of commercial chickens."

He added that previous studies were restricted because of a limited number of samples and poor samples of junglefowl – which are in the same genus as domesticated chickens – that made it difficult to clarify different species.

"Our results provide new insight into the evolutionary history of chicken, facilitating a better understanding of the history of humans and other species in the region," he said.

Modern chickens are most closely linked to the wild red jungle fowl subspecies Gallus gallus spadiceus, which today live predominantly in southwestern China, northern Thailand and Myanmar, researchers also found. Their analysis suggested that domestic chickens split off from that subspecies between about 12,800 and 6,200 years ago, with domestication likely taking place after the divergence.

The new insights placing the origins of the chicken in the tropical lowlands of southwest China and Southeast Asia changes scientists' understanding of the cultural groups involved with chickens and their environmental surroundings, according to archaeologist and botanist Dorian Fuller, an archaeobotany professor at University College London's Institute of Archaeology, who was not involved with the study.

"Chickens were moved out of really tropical forested areas, or maybe bamboo thickets, into human villages, instead of coming from the more open woodland/grasslands mixed environments that we would associate with central China or the Indus valley," Fuller said in an email.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/24/world/first-chicken-origin-southeast-asia-scn/index.html

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Did anybody ever work out which came first? Chicken or egg?

Edit:
So in a nutshell (or an eggshell, if you like), two birds that weren't really chickens created a chicken egg, and hence, we have an answer: The egg came first, and then it hatched a chicken.

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No, the chicken came first.

I love the chicken and egg dilemma. I appreciate the genetic argument, since the first chicken was probably an evolutionary mutation in an offspring.

HOWEVER 😝, if we see the chicken/egg argument as whether all life began with a parent or a child, THE CHICKEN CAME FIRST. The first creature on earth was born of no parent. Non-organic became organic with a lightning bolt.

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It would be great to know how it all began. How does inorganic become organic?

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

Yes it would be. The origin of life is one of the biggest unsolved questions in science.



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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

That goes to my take on the chicken egg question. In the beginning there was a life form which had no parent. It just boggles my mind that life came from nothing.

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

Mine too.

Wanna have your mind really boggled? Is the universe infinite or finite, and give reasons to support your answer. This question was posed by Stephen Hawking in his book A Brief History of Time.



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I haven't read the Hawkins book. So I'll muse off the top of my head as a layman.

I'll say if there was one Big Bang, there were infinite other Big Bangs. There are no methodical singular invents in nature. I believe that if a single nucleus of material exploded and created the universe, that it also happened infinite times. There would have to be infinite universes.

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

Possibly, but what he posited in his book was that the universe was both, finite and infinite, and that space time itself was curved. Sounds like quantum physics to me: Schrodinger's Cat etc.



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That's a bit over my head so I'll pass until I read the book.

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

That's probably over the heads of the vast majority of the population.



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I do think Schrodinger's cat should be thrown in an alley and left to be feral though. What a cocky cat.

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

I realize you're joking, but why the sudden animosity towards Mr. Schrodinger's cat?



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Because he walks into a bar but he doesn't. Say what? He's a shifty ass mutherfucker. He's playing games and he thinks he's all that.

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

Cat got your goat?



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MovieManCin2 said... Cat got your goat?

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Smug fucking cat. 😡

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Platonic_Caveman said... Smug fucking cat. 😡
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He says he likes you.



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MovieManCin2 said... He says he likes you.

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And he says he doesn't. 😠

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Platonic_Caveman said... And he says he doesn't. 😠
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Yep!



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posited

To posit

to posit: assume as a fact: put forward as a basis of argument



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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

I love the chicken and egg dilemma. I appreciate the genetic argument, since the first chicken was probably an evolutionary mutation in an offspring.

The egg came first, even in your argument. The first chicken you reference had to be born from an egg.

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Chicken and egg really has nothing to do with domesticated fowl.

It's a philosophical conundrum about evolution and how life on earth began.

How can something exist which was never born of a parent? Yet, if life on earth began when inorganic material turned into life, the first form was never born of a mother. The chicken came first. Everything else came after that first life form, that first "chicken".

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Re: First chicken to ever cross the road was likely in Southeast Asia

In a literal sense, speaking from evolutionary terms, the egg came before the chicken. Eggs were around long before chickens.

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Sure, if we're talking about this or that species, the egg comes first.

If we're talking about life on earth in general and the first living creature, it came from nonliving matter and never had a parent. The "chicken" in quotes, came first.

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All this talk has made me hungry.





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I know right. My original thought when I read the OP is what an amazing bird which has become such a healthy and delicious source of protein for the world. This wild red jungle fowl was a wonderful creature. Now I'm craving Colonel Sanders! Or some kung pao!

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If we're talking about life on earth in general and the first living creature, it came from nonliving matter and never had a parent. The "chicken" in quotes, came first.

Before there was life, there was pre-life, which was probably DNA or RNA that could self replicate in some way. It is sort of like an egg in that way, a collection of DNA meant for reproduction, that isn't life on its own, but has the potential to become it.

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Hmmm. Primordial soup. Interesting point. I need to think about whether First Being was a "child" of anything other than a rock though. I don't think a rock would make a good parent.

Abiogenesis

In evolutionary biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life,[3][4][5] is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds.[6][4][7][8] While the details of this process are still unknown, the prevailing scientific hypothesis is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event, but an evolutionary process of increasing complexity that involved molecular self-replication, self-assembly, autocatalysis, and the emergence of cell membranes.[9][10][11]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis[/url]


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It got to the other side!
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