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Is there a gender bias as far as racism is concerned?

I couldn't help noticing that very few women (on the boards in general) come across as racist, while rather a lot of the men do. An obvious academic explanation (which I don't really believe) is that women extrapolate from their experience as subordinated subjects, to the subordination of the victims of racism. The other, older explanation, no longer fashionable in Anglo-American academia, is that women are the "kinder" sex, more attuned to nurturing, compassion and sympathy, and are therefore less prone to the aggressive dismissiveness that is characteristic of racist attitudes. This thesis has now acquired some academic rigour as a result of French feminist theory (Cixous, Irigaray) but is still distrusted in North America and Britain.

A third option, not really borne out by the evidence, is that women are just as prone to racist attitudes but conceal the fact.


If nobody responds to this thread in five minutes I will delete it. Nobody can claim that I am disrespectful towards board sensitivities!

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In before 5 minutes.

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Damn! I was hoping to be able to display my integrity and lack of interest in ss-ing!

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You should have know better to try that with me on the board.

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I thought you might be off somewhere, knocking back a Dr Pepper or whatever.

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To answer the question though, I think women align their thoughts with a prospective male in order to increase the chances of her being able to procreate, therefore the question of if women are racist is irrelevant since they will fall in line with their partner in order to be told they are beautiful. This all goes out the window after menopause.

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Preach!

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How did that conversation go? Do you think you are your own person and he misread you or are you just happy going along with other people’s beliefs? Or somewhere in between? This topic has piqued my curiosity.

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He sounds like a decent fellow and it’s good that you saw some truth in what he said. Thanks for sharing!

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It's interesting. You seem to have considerable insight into your problems, but seem to also find it very hard to actually change. Maybe, as Corwin often says, people don't change much.

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Whew! It's almost frightening to hear someone talk about it so comfortably! I have the opposite problem: I'm so emphatically caught up in my identity that I don't make much room for other people. But your type of personality (if you're describing yourself accurately) is quite familiar in non-individualist non-Western societies. It's not really a flaw at all. You'd be quite comfortable in a deeply religious or in other ways pre-modern society.

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Then you're okay. All you need to do is be careful not to fall in with some sort of manipulative sociopath.

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It's possible that you get off on the abuse and manipulation. I know one isn't supposed to encourage that, but if it's your bag….

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But it's possible that we're hardwired to find pleasure in the same ways every time. I had a gf many years ago who was into rough(ish) sex. It was like a game, but we both really enjoyed it. I wouldn't like it all the time, but it was nice to change it up.

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Monicah🦋 said... I’m talking about abuse that is not relevant to anything sexual. Emotional and physical abuse. That I definitely don’t want but still found because I was only familiar with that type of relationship since childhood and those types of guys knew it and took advantage of it. The fact I’m damaged and vulnerable make me an easy target for the wrong guys. When the right guy finds me he doesn’t want anything to do with me or with my last ex wants to only stay friends. If I really want to be with someone then I have to change a lot things about myself and lifestyle which I’m not sure I can.
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Ah, that makes sense. I was reading some feminist writer the other day, and she cited a radio programme (for guys who want to pick up chicks) and they were advised to look out for vulnerable women, because they were more easily seduced! Quite horrifying that guys are so savvy about such things. Also, people who are abused tend to go back to that experience of abuse because it's familiar. Plus I think our pleasure centres are triggered by abuse as much as by straightforward pleasure. But you sound smart enough to break free from the cycle (if you want to).

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dbentley666 said... Ah, that makes sense. I was reading some feminist writer the other day, and she cited a radio programme (for guys who want to pick up chicks) and they were advised to look out for vulnerable women, because they were more easily seduced! Quite horrifying that guys are so savvy about such things. Also, people who are abused tend to go back to that experience of abuse because it's familiar. Plus I think our pleasure centres are triggered by abuse as much as by straightforward pleasure. But you sound smart enough to break free from the cycle (if you want to).
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Sorry to interject but was the radio host Tom Leykis?

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TheGoldenHoratio said... Sorry to interject but was the radio host Tom Leykis?
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Might have been. I don't even remember the book. Is leykis a prick?

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dbentley666 said... Might have been. I don't even remember the book. Is leykis a prick?
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Of the highest order. I listened to his radio show for a few days during the drive home in a sort of disbelief. I’m tempted to google some choice Tom Leykis quotes but I also can’t be bothered. He’s just a blow hard who likes to talk about banging chicks.

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TheGoldenHoratio said... Of the highest order. I listened to his radio show for a few days during the drive home in a sort of disbelief. I’m tempted to google some choice Tom Leykis quotes but I also can’t be bothered. He’s just a blow hard who likes to talk about banging chicks.
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Sounds like Shredder.

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dbentley666 said... Sounds like Shredder.
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Exactly.

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Monicah🦋 said... I wonder if the past guys I dated listened to that type of stuff… There are certain men that like to control women in every aspect and they can only be successful in doing that by finding the most vulnerable women out there. I feel like this happens all the time and so many women are abused. Almost every woman I share my personal stories with are able to share similar experiences and can relate to it. I wish I could have known the warning signs of these types of guys when I was younger but I think I'm just the type of person who has to learn things the hard way. Simply being told I am young and vulnerable and the and that attracts the wrong guys wouldn't have done anything for me.

I think I tend to like the abuse even though hate it at the same time because it is all I have been used to and I may not think I deserve better. Overall I want my independence and freedom but its hard because I can't depend on a guy to give me that, which is also what Ive been used to.
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I think you're on the right path. As long as you know what you're getting into, you're bound to have better and better relationships. The tricky part is to stop getting pleasure from abusive relationships, and I think the best way to do that is to trade up: learn to get pleasure from mutually respectful relationships, with maybe the abusive stuff purely as a game (role-playing).

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Biological reductionism. I assume you're ss-ing.

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Play along!

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Yes in my experience this is very true. Very often I can breach the political wall women erect against anything right wing simply By flaunting the prospect of my favoritism to them. Over time one can begin to see how the Art of the Troll extends beyond the realm of annoying people on the internet and this is a stellar case in point. Great post, horatio.

Cheerio.

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Thank you. But then there also seems to be a large number of beta cuck men who adapt to the beliefs of a woman to get some action, so maybe the whole thing’s a wash.

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My theory is if I can convert enough women to my way of thinking, the betas will follow suit. I can lead a global revolution with the tip of my cock.

Cheerio.

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It has nothing to do with the oppression of women. That would make it social and learned behavior, which it obviously is not. It's biological. Women as nurturers are more intuitive, can empathize more readily with others, and will thus be less racist. Men on the other had evolved to think independently. They're more bone headed and follow the racism of society.

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I would never dare say such a thing professionally, but I tend to agree with you. But not all women are nurturers, per se. Increasingly women are turning their backs on childcare, mothering and reproduction. So you're stuck arguing that the capacity for nurture is what makes women empathetic. Also, increasingly, men are comfortable doing housework, looking after children and so on. So that's changing quite fast.

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Obviously the social nature of a gender role can change, and that has its effect. But there is still biology. Male brains and female brains are biologically different in some ways, studies have shown.

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If it weren’t for White Feminists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feminism), I’d agree with you

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It’s a heavy topic, but to put it succinctly: White feminism refers to a certain breed of feminists who ignore the increased burden of sexist and racist actions against women of color. Many of the original suffragettes dismissed black voices, and that line of thinking has trickled down to modern times.

Here’s a good article that talks about it in depth: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a22717725/what-is-toxic-white-feminism/

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Rouge take a break from Filmboards. It's summer go and enjoy life.

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Bye Vlad

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PE is not here, no need for you to be here.

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Good point, Rouge! One of the most interesting areas in feminist studies today is the exclusion of women of colour from mainstream white feminism. Audre Lorde, bell hooks, Chandra Mohanty, Gayatri Spivak: these are the people the Women's Studies' departments are talking about. White feminists really need to get their house in order.

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Thanks for the recs 😍

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Check out also White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo and White Rage by Carol Anderson. They are really good! They deal with both race and gender, though the focus is on race.
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