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Is Orson Welles Overrated as a Director?

He's one of my favorite people. He's anti-establishment, a true rebel. But outside of "Citizen Kane", I can't think of any other great movies or acting gigs (and I've seen almost all). To me, his interviews are better than his movies, even though he does the false modest bit, and the annoying "I could give you a false answer or I can tell you the truth" that he uses so much in interviews.

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He was good as both the voice of Robin Masters and Unicron

His Jane Eyre wasn't bad either.

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Note that he put on a colossal amount of weight, so I can only assume he over-ate as a director.

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I think F for Fake, The Trial, and Chimes at Midnight are great. I don't know if he was a good actor but he is one of my favorites. He can be a little hammy.

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He can be a little hammy.

The Long Hot Summer comes to mind.
Whoever was responsible for his makeup should have been horsewhipped! Cheesy is the word for that.

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Its funny how Orson said the key to his success was ignorance, and I can understand from other mediums. If you don't know "the rules" you aren't inhibited, and you don't' even know you're breaking them.

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I know that many people put it down, but I love The Magnificent Ambersons and A Touch of Evil is noir at it's best. With the exception of Charlton Heston playing a Mexican, I can honestly say that it's one of the greats.

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Orson said the movie wasn't the way he wanted it (Ambersons), and how he didn't have final cut (why not stipulate that in your contract, especially after you had it for your FIRST movie)..

I've read into this a long time, and I half agree with one writer who said Orson shouldn't have been in South America having fun during Carnivale when the movie was being cut.

But then he keeps saying how this problem kept happening. Like the movie you mentioned, "A Touch of Evil".

I have read all the Orson books, and I think depression might have had something to do with this, maybe laziness. He likes to play the martyr bit sometimes, too.

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I have read all the Orson books, and I think depression might have had something to do with this, maybe laziness. He likes to play the martyr bit sometimes, too.

I have to admit that I haven't read any books on him. I have read many celebrity biographys, and in a few, they mentioned Orson Welles. Each pretty much describes what you say. Lucille Ball said that Desi invited Orson to stay in their guest house at one time. He was the ultimate guest who wouldn't leave. He was always working, but accomplished nothing.
i always got the impression that he'd had a bit of success early on and that he let it go to his head. After that, he was a legend in is own mind.

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No. Falstaff (Chimes at Midnight), Othello, Touch of Evil, F for Fake and The Magnificent Ambersons are all great films.

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No, I think he was an excellent talent.

But I think his problem was that his very first movie was not only his best, but one of the best of all time. It's hard to follow an act like that.



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Touch of evil is one of the worst films I have ever had the displeasure of seeing. And Citizen with it's "Rosebud" reveal is sooooo overrated.

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I've only seen Citizen Kane, and personally didn't care much about it. It's a great movie, don't get me wrong, and, before anything, is a great achievement. We studied it during my film studies in college. It's an highly innovative film which tried so many new cinematic tricks which where never seen before, such as creative camera angles, camera movements, a new approach to editing, etc.

So, it's a very important film and I have nothing to say against it. I just didn't really care for the plot. I found it… uninteresting. I didn't really get attached to any character and neither was I moved by the story. Once again, this is my subjective opinion and it doesn't speak about the quality of the movie at all.

Considering all this, I cannot have an elaborated opinion about Orson Wells since I've only seen one movie. But with what I learned about him in my film courses and how objectively impressive Citizen Kane was, I would probably not say that he's overrated, no.

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Check out some of his interviews…

I think it's a fine movie, but I think I had it ranked around my Top 50s

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Hmmm his interviews from Citizen Kane or personal interviews?

And I must admit something about Citizen Kane: the fact that movie has a reputation of ofter being ranked as "the best movie ever done" might have set my expectations too high. Maybe if I would have watched without setting my bar so high I would've appreciated it more.

But I think this happened to everyone at some point, especially moviegoers. This is why I usually try to not have any expectations, that way I usually really judge the movie for what it is and not what I want/expect it to be. For instance, let's take a not so good movie, Rambo: Last Blood: I really went there without expecting much and only went there for the action. In a way, I wasn't disappointed because I didn't think much about it in the first place.

I actually usually avoid reading the synopses and see the trailers. I go there totally ignorant.

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Personal interviews (I should have been clearer).

I also agree about expectations, but I try not to allow others' influence my opinion. Oddly enough, I never watch trailers. I like to know who is directing, sometimes I watch movies because I like the main actor and know it's a decent movies, too. I don't like to read more than the IMDB byline, and kinda go into it blind.

Here's a good interview


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Something to always keep in mind with Orson is that after Citizen Kane his directing efforts were intruded upon by the studios most famously with "The Magnificent Ambersons" the butchering of which is one of the all time travesties.


If Welles had of been left alone after Citizen Kane to create his films as he seen fit maybe he'd be put alongside names like Kubrick & Kurosawa (are even be above them) after all when he did have creative control he created what's largely considered the greatest film of all time to the point where saying it is a super cliche now so his directing career I refrain from judging because of how it was sabotaged by others and in regards to his acting career I thought he was great as Harry Lime.

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