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Che Guevara planned attacks against the U.S.
Che Guevara Planned Attacks Against the U.S. (autentico.org)

By Humberto Fontova
NewsMax.com, November 21, 2007

Thanks to J. Edgar Hoover's FBI the "walking of the walk" that Castro and Che had planned for those "hyenas" was uncovered in November of 1962. On Nov. 17 1962, J Edgar Hoovers' FBI cracked a terrorist plot (though the term "terrorist" was not used at the time) by Cuban agents that targeted Macy's Gimbel's, Bloomindales and Manhattan's Grand Central Terminal with a dozen incendiary devices and 500 kilos of TNT. The holocaust was set to go off the following week, the day after Thanksgiving. Che Guevara was the head of Cuba's "Foreign Liberation Department" at the time.

A little perspective: for their March 2004 Madrid subway blasts, all 10 of them, that killed and maimed almost 2000 people, al-Qaida used a grand total of 100 kilos of TNT. Castro and Che's agents planned to set off five times that explosive power in the three biggest department stores on earth, all packed to suffocation and pulsing with holiday cheer on the year's biggest shopping day.
Frightening what the Castro-Che regime had in storage for the American people.

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Castro and Che planned their Manhattan holocaust short weeks after Nikita Khrushchev foiled their plans for an even bigger one. "Say hello to my little friends!" they dreamt of yelling at the Yankee hyenas in October of 1962, right before the mushroom clouds. But for the prudence of the Butcher of Budapest (Nikita Khrushchev) they might have pulled it off. "If the missiles had remained," Che Guevara confided to The London Daily Worker in November 1962 regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis, "We would have used them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York City."

Che hatred against the United States was so deep, that he did not give a damn that such action sealed the annihilation of the Cuban people and a large part of humanity.

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This Cuban bomb plot was far from "irrational." Castro and Che weren't suicide bombers by any means. In blasting Manhattan and incinerating thousands of New Yorkers they sought to heat things up again, to rekindle all those thrills he'd experienced the previous weeks during the Missile Crisis.

Given the temper of the times, he knew his Soviet sugar daddies would be implicated too. Then the U.S. might retaliate. Then Castro and Che would have exactly what he'd dreamed about and tried to provoke a few weeks earlier: an intercontinental nuclear exchange.

Millions dead in the United States, millions dead in the Soviet Union, and almost certainly, millions dead in Cuba. But Castro and Che themselves would be nowhere near harms way.
The butcher of La Cabaña in action, a cold-blooded killing machine reminiscent of Lavrenti Beria.

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Soviet ambassador to Cuba during the Missile Crisis, Alexander Allusive, reports a fascinating — if unsurprising — datum about those days. While Castro was begging, threatening, even trying to trick Khrushchev into launching a nuclear strike against the U.S., while he was ranting and yelling and waving his arms about grabbing his Czech machine gun and "fighting the Yankee invaders to the last man!" while frantically involved in all this, a "fearful" (Allusive's term) Castro and Che were also making reservations with Allusive for a first-class seats in the Soviet embassy's bomb shelter.
Like cowards they look for their safety first, without any regard for the consequences of their act.

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Soviet ambassador to Cuba during the Missile Crisis, Alexander Allusive, reports a fascinating — if unsurprising — datum about those days. While Castro was begging, threatening, even trying to trick Khrushchev into launching a nuclear strike against the U.S., while he was ranting and yelling and waving his arms about grabbing his Czech machine gun and "fighting the Yankee invaders to the last man!" while frantically involved in all this, a "fearful" (Allusive's term) Castro and Che were also making reservations with Allusive for a first-class seats in the Soviet embassy's bomb shelter.
Like cowards they look for their safety first, without any regard for the consequences of their act.
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A Cuban Movie Proposal
http://www.creators.com/opinion/miguel-perez/a-cuban-movie-proposal.html

Miguel Perez
November 6, 2007

As the world's leftists keep celebrating the 40th anniversary of Ernesto "Che" Guevara's death and keep selling him as the ultimate champion of a people's revolution, I keep thinking about my friend Carlos Barberia.

When you talk to Barberia, you see the other side of Guevara, who has become a romanticized icon.

After all, when the guerrillas came down from the mountains, ironically, they stayed at the Hilton. For the first few months of 1959, Castro and his top men occupied three floors of the prestigious Havana hotel. And when the guerrillas and the musicians got hungry in the middle of the night, they all gathered at the hotel kitchen looking for leftovers.

That's where Barberia met Castro and Guevara. They hit it off right away. Barberia was an admirer of the rebels, and the rebels found him entertaining.

"We became very friendly, and we would talk about all kinds of things," Barberia said.

During those first few months of 1959, Castro had put Guevara in charge of the firing squads that executed hundreds of Batista government officials and other Cubans considered potential enemies. Guevara served as prosecutor, judge and jury. And at one point, Barberia felt it was getting out of hand.

"I simply suggested to Fidel that they should consider stopping the firing squads, and El Che was listening," Barberia said. "I told them they were killing too many people."

A few hours later, at the crack of dawn, a group of Guevara's men went knocking on Barberia's door in Havana. He was told that Guevara wanted to see him at La Cabana, the old Spanish fortress that had been turned from a tourist attraction to a prison, complete with firing squads.

Barberia said Guevara greeted him at the officers' club, a beautiful dining room that had a glass wall overlooking the castle's courtyard. He said he knew the room well because his Kubavana Orchestra had performed there many times back when La Cabana was still a place for tourists. But in the first few months of Castro's rule, that courtyard had become the stage for Guevara's bloody firing squads.

Barberia said Guevara invited him to breakfast, ordered two rare steaks and told him to sit facing the courtyard. Barberia had been invited to watch the executions.

"They brought four guys out, but when they shot the first one, I got up and I walked away," Barberia said.

Barberia felt that his rejection of Guevara's methods made him a marked man. In December 1959, upon learning that Guevara's men were investigating him, Barberia went into hiding in Havana and then out of Cuba. When Guevara's men went looking for him, Barberia said, "They took my father and had him shot."
Carlos Barberia was the bandleader of the Orchestra Kubavana, New Jersey. Luckily he manage to escape, but sadly not his father.

Orquesta Kubavana De Carlos Barbería – Un, Dos y Tres (Perlas Cubanas)

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A Cuban Movie Proposal
http://www.creators.com/opinion/miguel-perez/a-cuban-movie-proposal.html

Miguel Perez
November 6, 2007

As the world's leftists keep celebrating the 40th anniversary of Ernesto "Che" Guevara's death and keep selling him as the ultimate champion of a people's revolution, I keep thinking about my friend Carlos Barberia.

When you talk to Barberia, you see the other side of Guevara, who has become a romanticized icon.

After all, when the guerrillas came down from the mountains, ironically, they stayed at the Hilton. For the first few months of 1959, Castro and his top men occupied three floors of the prestigious Havana hotel. And when the guerrillas and the musicians got hungry in the middle of the night, they all gathered at the hotel kitchen looking for leftovers.

That's where Barberia met Castro and Guevara. They hit it off right away. Barberia was an admirer of the rebels, and the rebels found him entertaining.

"We became very friendly, and we would talk about all kinds of things," Barberia said.

During those first few months of 1959, Castro had put Guevara in charge of the firing squads that executed hundreds of Batista government officials and other Cubans considered potential enemies. Guevara served as prosecutor, judge and jury. And at one point, Barberia felt it was getting out of hand.

"I simply suggested to Fidel that they should consider stopping the firing squads, and El Che was listening," Barberia said. "I told them they were killing too many people."

A few hours later, at the crack of dawn, a group of Guevara's men went knocking on Barberia's door in Havana. He was told that Guevara wanted to see him at La Cabana, the old Spanish fortress that had been turned from a tourist attraction to a prison, complete with firing squads.

Barberia said Guevara greeted him at the officers' club, a beautiful dining room that had a glass wall overlooking the castle's courtyard. He said he knew the room well because his Kubavana Orchestra had performed there many times back when La Cabana was still a place for tourists. But in the first few months of Castro's rule, that courtyard had become the stage for Guevara's bloody firing squads.

Barberia said Guevara invited him to breakfast, ordered two rare steaks and told him to sit facing the courtyard. Barberia had been invited to watch the executions.

"They brought four guys out, but when they shot the first one, I got up and I walked away," Barberia said.

Barberia felt that his rejection of Guevara's methods made him a marked man. In December 1959, upon learning that Guevara's men were investigating him, Barberia went into hiding in Havana and then out of Cuba. When Guevara's men went looking for him, Barberia said, "They took my father and had him shot."
Carlos Barberia was the bandleader of the Orchestra Kubavana, New Jersey. Luckily he manage to escape, but sadly not his father.

Orquesta Kubavana De Carlos Barbería – Un, Dos y Tres (Perlas Cubanas)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEZluQljSLY
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Barberia, now 72, has made strides in the United States, both as a bandleader and as an advertising salesman for New York Spanish-language radio stations. But when he is confronted with images of Guevara, Barberia is visibly affected. His face turns red. His eyes shed tears. When he sees young Americans who don't know Guevara's true history blindly following a murderer who has been turned into a pop-culture icon, Barberia makes a visible effort to restrain himself.

Not long ago, when Barberia waited for a bus on Bergenline Avenue, he spotted a Guevara T-shirt on a rack at a sidewalk sale. And he couldn't take it. They had brought the T-shirt out too close to the comfort zone. He grabbed the T-shirt, took it inside the store and paid for it. And then he took it back outside and set it on fire.

When police arrived, Barberia said he was honest in explaining his outburst. "Che Guevara killed my father," he told the officers. "He had my father shot by a firing squad in Cuba."

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victorin1 said... There are more to this story. The saga continues
Barberia, now 72, has made strides in the United States, both as a bandleader and as an advertising salesman for New York Spanish-language radio stations. But when he is confronted with images of Guevara, Barberia is visibly affected. His face turns red. His eyes shed tears. When he sees young Americans who don't know Guevara's true history blindly following a murderer who has been turned into a pop-culture icon, Barberia makes a visible effort to restrain himself.

Not long ago, when Barberia waited for a bus on Bergenline Avenue, he spotted a Guevara T-shirt on a rack at a sidewalk sale. And he couldn't take it. They had brought the T-shirt out too close to the comfort zone. He grabbed the T-shirt, took it inside the store and paid for it. And then he took it back outside and set it on fire.

When police arrived, Barberia said he was honest in explaining his outburst. "Che Guevara killed my father," he told the officers. "He had my father shot by a firing squad in Cuba."
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Che Guevara, that some try to present as a philanthropist and of deep Christian values, the answer is given to them in letter he wrote to his mother, July 15, 1956 from a Mexican prison

I am not Christ or a philanthropist, old lady, I'm all the contrary of Christ…. I fight for the things I believe in, with all the weapons at my disposal and I try to leave the other man dead so I don’t get nailed to a cross or any other place…[1]

[1] Jon Lee Anderson, Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life (New York: Grove Press, 1997

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victorin1 said... Che Guevara, that some try to present as a philanthropist and of deep Christian values, the answer is given to them in letter he wrote to his mother, July 15, 1956 from a Mexican prison

I am not Christ or a philanthropist, old lady, I'm all the contrary of Christ…. I fight for the things I believe in, with all the weapons at my disposal and I try to leave the other man dead so I don’t get nailed to a cross or any other place…[1]

[1] Jon Lee Anderson, Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life (New York: Grove Press, 1997
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Who was Che Guevara?
The Palm Beach Post from West Palm Beach, Florida on June 18, 2008 · Page D001 (newspapers.com)

BY Liz Balmaseda
Palm Beach Post, June 18, 2008

More than a mortal, more than a revolutionary, Che Guevara is pure mystique, a pop-culture phenom born of a cool graphic image.

Che, the brand, has been unparalleled in its reach across cultures and purposes, from the militant to the materialistic to the rampantly mundane, emblazoned on every imaginable surface: T-shirts, posters, belt buckles, lighters, lip gloss, curtains, shot glasses, skateboards, action figures, nesting dolls, tattoos, maracas, bikinis.

Che, the revolutionary, was far less successful. Despite his critical role in the rebel takeover of Cuba in 1959 and his firebrand writings, the medical student-turned-guerrilla failed at every other revolt he endeavored. His last mission led to his capture and death in Bolivia.
To be continuo

An excellent assessment of Che Guevara by Liz Balmaseda.

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victorin1 said...
Who was Che Guevara?
The Palm Beach Post from West Palm Beach, Florida on June 18, 2008 · Page D001 (newspapers.com)

BY Liz Balmaseda
Palm Beach Post, June 18, 2008

More than a mortal, more than a revolutionary, Che Guevara is pure mystique, a pop-culture phenom born of a cool graphic image.

Che, the brand, has been unparalleled in its reach across cultures and purposes, from the militant to the materialistic to the rampantly mundane, emblazoned on every imaginable surface: T-shirts, posters, belt buckles, lighters, lip gloss, curtains, shot glasses, skateboards, action figures, nesting dolls, tattoos, maracas, bikinis.

Che, the revolutionary, was far less successful. Despite his critical role in the rebel takeover of Cuba in 1959 and his firebrand writings, the medical student-turned-guerrilla failed at every other revolt he endeavored. His last mission led to his capture and death in Bolivia.
To be continuo

An excellent assessment of Che Guevara by Liz Balmaseda.
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Liz Balmaseda, continuation.

But there was one guerrilla mission he excelled at, notoriously so. As warden at La Cabaña fortress prison in the months following the Castro takeover, he became the revolution's chief executioner. How many "enemies of the revolution" faced his firing squad during the first six months of 1959 ranges between 160 and more than 500. That stint earned him the nickname of the "Butcher of La Cabaña."

In the early years of the Cuban revolution, Guevara served as jail warden, minister of industry and - ironically for a militant who once urged "the struggling masses" to rob banks - as president of the National Bank of Cuba, during which time he issued bank notes signed "Che." Guevara was one of the architects of Cuba's totalitarian police state.
Che, the butcher of La Cabaña, declared that "at La Cabaña all executions are carried out under my express orders.”

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Just because I'm not on THEIR side, doesn't mean I'm on YOURS.

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The thing about Marxism is that it's supposed to EVOLVE and not be forced.

A good example in the US is the public school system.

In the past, people had little kids working in coal mines and dangerous factories and it eventually grossed people out. Collectively, society pays for little kids to go to school and almost no one believes little kids ought to be put to work.

So, public school is Marxist and part of the transformation Marx predicted. There was no need to murder people in order to send kids to go to school.

You can't murder people to create goodness, it does not work.

Before WWII the Nazis had nothing but logical complaints against jews. It's wasn't about genetics it was about Jewish nepotism making it impossible for Germans to get important jobs, flooding the country with cheap Chinese goods, and jews running abortion, prostitution, porn, and dominating banking. There were no wacky reasons that I read.

They wanted this foreign culture out of Germany, which makes perfect sense. They were the good guys defending their country.

Then, they starting enslaving, starving, and murdering people they didn't like because of financial and social reasons. You instantly lose!

I don't know much about Che as a person.

I don't get why he was a doctor, I've known retarded doctors, but was so interested in killing. Vietnam is another place where there was a lot of torture and murder over communism which is supposed to be about equality and a better society.

As I've mentioned, Marxism is supposed to just "happen" because people are tired of nonsense. But, if you have really oppressed countries people aren't tired they are full of hate so hate happens instead of just agreement.

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Who was Che Guevara?

By Liz Balmaseda, continuation

The rebel who wrote the ultimate guerrilla manual in his 1960 handbook, Guerrilla Warfare, embarked on several botched missions.

His secret operation to organize rebels in the Congo was so disastrous, the Castro government deep-sixed the details for years. Guevara left the Congo for his doomed - and final - mission, in Bolivia.

Guevara described his guerrilla self as "bloodthirsty" and "violent" and a "coldblooded killing machine." These were traits he put into action during the bloody rebel uprising of the late 1950s, with point-blank executions and other displays of brutality.
Che, in his diary about his guerrilla experience in the Congo in 1965, begins with this observation: “This is the history of a failure.” The guerrilla adventure he led in the Congo was a fiasco. He reaped what he saw.

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That's interesting.

I have worked in healthcare for decades and my perception of doctors is that they are weirdoes. There's something "autistic" about them but that's not even a very good term, it's more.

I don't know what the result would be if you gave an autistic person a gun and the right to start killing people.

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Che GMT Rolex watch

Photo of Che wearing his GMT Rolex watch. It should be dedicated to all those communist professors who talk like revolutionaries, live like hypocrites, and fail to teach their students about inconvenient truths.




What do you think of Che expensive Rolex watch? I wonder who gave it to him.

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According to Fidel Castro, he had given a Rolex to most of the Cuban high command. At the time of his capture, Guevara was wearing a Rolex watch he had received as a gift from Fidel Castro. After the execution, Rodríguez took one of Che's Rolex watch, often proudly showing it to reporters during the ensuing years." (The Death of Che Guevara: Declassified document) http://www.freestone.com/che.html

Rodriguez “had brought back some personal relics from his trip, among them one of several Rolex watches found in Che’s possession” ('Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life', Jon Lee Anderson, 1997, p. 741).

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What’s more ineffectual than the guy who wears a Che T-shirt and doesn’t know anything about him? The quotes below will help the clueless guys wearing Che-T-shirt to get a little more acquainted with him.

5 Things You Didn't Know: Che Guevara
http://www.askmen.com/entertainment/special_feature_200/209_special_feature.html

Ross Bonander

There is a saying in Argentina: “Tengo una remera del Che, y no sé por qué,” which roughly translates to “I have a Che T-shirt, and I don’t know why.”

The saying reflects a justified cynicism among Argentineans that one of their favorite sons, Marxist revolutionary-for-hire Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara, has been misappropriated by capitalist-minded opportunists and trend-seeking college kids the world over. Che’s iconic image, with his disheveled rock star hair falling out from a starred black beret, has been used illicitly to sell hundreds of products to the rebellious-minded, with T-shirts and posters probably topping the list.

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5 Things You Didn't Know: Che Guevara

A company that sponsors tours to Cuba touts La Cabaña Fortress prison as the place where “Che helped consolidate the victory of the revolution.” Historians estimate Che "consolidated" the lives of as many as 2,000 people.

Once in power, Che Guevara was appointed head of La Cabaña, where he ran one of the century’s more modest – if no less shameful – kangaroo courts. He did his part to purge Cuba of Batista loyalists by playing judge, jury and executioner in a manner reminiscent of Stalin’s Great Terror of the 1930s. It was here he earned the name The Butcher of La Cabaña.
In an appearance on TV, February 1959, Che said that “at La Cabaña all executions are carried out under my express orders.” There he presided over hundreds of executions in summary trials

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RIP Che, but Not in His Tomb in Cuba
RIP Che, but Not in His Tomb in Cuba (newser.com)

By Jonas Oransky, newser, Oct 31, 2007

Thousands came to Che Guevara's Cuban mausoleum in July to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the revolutionary’s death—but they were paying respects at the wrong resting place. A French journalist claims that Fidel Castro’s government never actually found the Argentine’s body—as was triumphantly announced 10 years ago—and instead buried an unknown body under Guevara’s name, the New Republic reports.

Several inconsistencies prove that the body relocated to Cuba on the 30th anniversary of Che’s death isn't his. Guevara was buried alone, naked and with amputated hands; the exhumed body was discovered in a mass grave, wearing a jacket and with hands intact. The journalist berated Castro over the fabrication, asserting his power is “built on the abolition of historical truth.”
Gustavo Villoldo secretly buried the body of Che Guevara. He snipped a lock of Che's hair and wrote down the geographical coordinates before dropping the bodies into a common grave. No DNA testing was done of the body buried in Cuba. The discovery of Che's remains was a propaganda stunt by Castro to coincide with the 30th anniversary of Che's death.

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Guevara, Ernesto "Che", 1928-1967
Guevara, Ernesto "Che", 1928-1967 (libcom.org)

Posted by Steven, September 25th, 2006
Taken from Organise!, the theoretical journal of the Anarchist Federation

The anarchists and anarcho-syndicalists had their press closed down and many militants were thrown in prison. Che was directly implicated in this. This was followed in 1962 with the banning of the Trotskyists and the imprisonment of their militants. Che said: "You cannot be for the revolution and be against the Cuban Communist Party". He repeated the old lies against the Trotskyists that they were agents of imperialism and provocateurs.
This quote, from a Marxism political group, put to rest the argument that Che was a Trotskyists.

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Guevara, Ernesto "Che", 1928-1967

Che was the main link, indeed the architect, of the increasingly closer relation between Cuba and the Soviet Union. The nuclear missile deal which almost resulted in a nuclear war in 1962 was engineered at the Cuban end by Che. When the Russians backed down in the face of US threats, Che was furious and said that if he had been in charge of the missiles, he would have fired them off!
Che didn’t back up from a nuclear confrontation, he didn’t care that such confrontation will cause the total destruction of the island and its inhabitants.

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Guevara, Ernesto "Che", 1928-1967

By 1963, Che had realised that Russian Stalinism was a shambles after a visit to Russia where he saw the conditions of the majority of the people, this after "Soviet-style planning" in the Cuban economy had been pushed through by him.

Instead of coming to some libertarian critique of Stalinism, he embraced Chinese Stalinism. He denounced the Soviet Union's policy of peaceful co-existence, which acknowledged that Latin America was the USA's backyard, and gave little or no support to any movement against American control. Fidel was now obsessed with saving the Cuban economy, himself arguing for appeasement. Against this Che talked about spreading armed struggle through Latin America, if necessary using nuclear war to help this come about!

Che may look like the archetypal romantic revolutionary. In reality he was a tool of the Stalinist power blocs and a partisan of nuclear war. His attitudes and actions reveal him to be no friend of the working masses, whether they be workers or peasants.

During an international conference in February 1965 in Algiers, Che broke with the Soviet Union, accusing it of embracing capitalism because of the adoption of the "law of value." By that time he has already assumed the Maoist ideology.

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Behind Che Guevara’s mask, the cold executioner

Matthew Campbell
The Sunday Times, September 16, 2007

A ROMANTIC hero to legions of fans the world over, Ernesto “Che” Guevara, the poster boy of Marxist revolution, has come under assault as a cold-hearted monster four decades after his death in the Bolivian jungle.

A revisionist biography has highlighted Guevara’s involvement in countless executions of “traitors” and counter-revolutionary “worms”, offering a fresh glimpse of the dark side of the celebrated guerrilla fighter who helped Fidel Castro to seize power in Cuba.
A number of years after his dead, the real truth about Che has become crystal clear. He was a cold blooded killer machine.

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Behind Che Guevara’s mask, the cold executioner

They turned a blind eye to anything that did not fit in with their idealised image of Guevara. A prolific diarist, Guevara nevertheless wrote vividly of his role as an executioner. In one passage he described the execution of Eutimio Guerra, a peasant and army guide.

“I fired a .32calibre bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain which came out through his left temple,” was Guevara’s clinical description of the killing. “He moaned for a few moments, then died.”

This was the first of many “traitors” to be subjected to what Guevara called “acts of justice”.

Machover, a Cuban exiled in France since 1963, blames the hero worship on French intellectuals who flocked to Havana in the 1960s and fell under the charm of the only “comandante” who could speak their language.

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Behind Che Guevara’s mask, the cold executioner

“He would climb on top of a wall . . . and lie on his back smoking a Havana cigar while watching the executions,” the author quotes Dariel Alarcon Ramirez, one of Guevara’s former comrades in arms, as saying.

It was intended as a gesture of moral support for the men in the firing squad, says Machover. “For these men who had never seen Che before, it was something really important. It gave them courage.”
What Che saw, the Cuban people are reaping: human misery, a legacy of murders concealed under clouds of cigar smoke.

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You have to be twice as ruthless with ruthless people. Never spare a fascist.



Che was an adventurer and it proved to be his undoing, but millions owe him an insurmountable dept. Like Fidel said, not a man for our time, but for all time.

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Behind Che Guevara’s mask, the cold executioner

In a six-month period, Guevara implemented Castro’s orders with zeal, putting 180 prisoners in front of the firing squad after summary trials, according to Machover. Jose Vilasuso, an exiled lawyer, recalled Guevara instructing his “court” in the prison: “Don’t drag out the process. This is a revolution. Don’t use bourgeois legal methods, the proof is secondary. We must act through conviction. We’re dealing with a bunch of criminals and assassins.”
This paints a very different picture of the “revolutionary” poster icon

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Drive the Batista's to the sea.

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New York Honors Che Guevara with a Statue
New York Honors Che Guevara with a Statue - American Thinker

By Humberto Fontova
November 25, 2008

On Friday November 21st, while strolling through Central Park's Doris C. Freedman Plaza, Commentary Magazine's online editor Abe Greenwald noticed a statue and did a double take. "Is that…Che Guevara?"

Indeed! There was no mistaking it: a statue of "El Che" by German artist, Christian Jankowski. Upon investigating the matter, Abe Greenwald learned that, "the sculpture is not intended to depict Che Guevara," but rather a street performer from Barcelona's Las Ramblas who idolizes Che Guevara and makes a living mimimg him. "Which I'm sure makes all the difference in the world to the families of Che's victims," Mr Greenwald wisely adds. " There's no mistaking who that statue depicts."

Most New Yorkers seem unaware that but for the grace of God thousands of them would have been Che's victims too.

"If the missiles had remained (in Cuba),We would have used them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York City. The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims."
- Ernesto 'Che" Guevara, November 1962.
Che’s statue is a disgrace and should be removed. This Communist killer deserves no public recognition other than to be used as a remainder of the degree of human degradation.

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One the best threads I've read.

I already didnt like him because I had read some bad shit already but this thread really digs deep. I made a good friend supporter angry about this.

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

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tf? Plus he's gay, and a basehead.

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

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Tf iz thiz shit!

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

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Che was too much of an adventurist and should have stayed with Cuba and helped to build the revolution, advising on revolutionary struggles from a far. There's no doubt he was of untold benefit to such progressive movements with his expeditions, though.

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I think you should reread this thread.

He really was no good guy.

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

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Like Fidel so eloquently put it, a man not for our time, but for all time.

Re: The real Che Guevara

Quoting Fidel, hitting the bottom of the barrel.

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

Re: The real Che Guevara

Great man, great man.

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Your definition of Great is quite cheap.

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

Re: The real Che Guevara

By murdering him, the CIA made him a martyr and a cultural icon.

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Re: The real Che Guevara

This is the only thing that comes to mind when I hear the name Che Guevara



If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana

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The U.S. is the great enemy of mankind!" raved Ernesto "Che" Guevara in 1961. "Against those hyenas there is no option but extermination. We will bring the war to the imperialist enemies' very home, to his places of work and recreation. The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we'll destroy him! We must keep our hatred against them [the U.S.] alive and fan it to paroxysms!"

New York Honors Che Guevara with a Statue, American Thinker, November 25, 2008.
Imagine a monument to Hideki Tojo at the Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor. Imagine one to Luftwaffe Chief, Herman Goering in London's Hyde Park. Heck, imagine one to Osama bin Laden in New York.

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Yea, this is bullshit!

He should be wiped from the face of the earth. I think America has been too lenient on him.

Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.

Re: The real Che Guevara

Che’s vicious and murderous act against innocent people gets a statue in Central Park. Who will get the next statue, Adolph Hitler?
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