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Concept of soul, spirit developed by humans

It doesn't exist. Only your physical body does.

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That is my baseline assumption but I keep an open mind for claims of reincarnation or an otherwise after-life. Those are difficult to reconcile with my worldview but I wonder how people came up with those ideas and get a little curious when I read about some of those experiences. I wonder if those ancient people were maybe not predisposed to throw away data that conflicted with what they believed because they did not have a lot of data already and so glommed on to patterns that we miss or toss out.

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I keep an open mind for claims of reincarnation or an otherwise after-life.

Same. I do it for fun, roleplaying, escapism. It's fun. I also believe/make believe in "simulcarnation," astral projection, or soul projection, like i find myself actually living vicariously, and yet it feels like, as if i am that person. That is why people watch movies, to live as that protagonist or a villain or whatever characters they love.


I wonder if those ancient people

We were there. We are the ancients.

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astral projection
Have you ever tried this? There is something called the Monroe Technique. It is basically the recreation of a sensory deprivation tank and not unlike meditation. The odd thing is that out-of-body experiences are often accompanied by the appearance of a silver cord connecting the physical body to the astral body, which I have never read about in run-of-the-mill sensory deprivation tank experiences. It could just be an image primed by hearing about sliver cords and astral projection or it could be phenomenologically real, whether psychological, physical, or paraphysical.

We were there. We are the ancients.
If reincarnation is reality then certainly. From what I have read, if reincarnation is real, it seems like children will be able to remember their past lives up to about three years old. And then, who knows, maybe our brains "solidify" into something that can no longer access it.

Re: Concept of soul, spirit developed by humans

There is something called the Monroe Technique.

Never heard of it until now.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos186.htm


One of the chief barriers people learning to project face is
fear. Many are afraid that they may die, or be harmed in some
way as a result of their projection. Nothing could be farther
from the truth. The Canterbury Institute, renowned for its
occult studies, executed an experiment in projection involving
over 2,000 people. None of them were hurt in any way by this,
and now, three years later, none have complained of any newly
arising problems.

Once you are aware that you cannot be harmed by projecting,
you should begin monroe's techniques, step by step.

Step one:
Relax the body. According to Monroe, "the ability to relax
is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself"
to having an OBE. (out of body experience) This includes both
physical and mental relaxation. Monroe does not suggest a
method of attaining this relaxation, although Progressive
Muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises
(inhale 1, exhale 2, inhale 3.... until 50 or 100) are known
to work well.

Step two:
Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the
hypnagogic state. Once again, Monroe doesn't recommend any
method of doing this. One way is to hold your forearm
up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you
start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken
again. With practice, you can learn to control the Hypnagogic
state without using your arm. Another method is to
concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter
your thoughts, you have entered the Hypnagogic state.
Passively watch these images. This will also help you
maintain this state of near-sleep. Monroe calls this Condition
A.

Step three:
Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. observe your
field of vision through your closed eyes. Do nothing more
for a while. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the
blackness in front of you. After a while, you may notice
light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They
have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one


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has entered what Monroe calls Condition B. From here, one
must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Monroe
calls Condition C-- a state of such relaxation that you lose
all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are
almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will
be your own thoughts.
The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D.
This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a
rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal
fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you
practice entering it in the morning or after a short nap.

Step Four:
Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important
part of the technique, and also the most vague.
Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset
of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or
as is electricity is being shot through the body. /their
cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying
to leave the physical one.
For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the
following directions:

1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching
your skin.
2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your
eyelids, but do not shut out all light.
3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your
head pointed toward magnetic north.
4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are
slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable.
5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when,
there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you.
6. Enter a state of relaxation
7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember
all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be
beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times.
8. Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth.
9. As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you.
10. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change
your point of mental reference to six feet.
11. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary
line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus
there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and
bring them back into your body.

Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you
will know when you have achieved contact with them.

Step five:
Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice
controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down
to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body,
and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce
this wave effect, concentrate of the vibrations and mentally
push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body.
Practice this until you can induce these waves on command.
Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are


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ready to leave the body.

Step six:
Begin with a partial separation. The key here is thought
control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving
the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thought might cause you
to lose control of the state.
Now, having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring
the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the "second body".
Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in
contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed.
Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it
back into coincidence with the physical one, decrease the
vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie
quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise
will prepare you for full separation.

Step seven:
Dissociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two
methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To
do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after
entering this vibrational state. Think about how nice it
would be to float upward. Keep this thought in mind at all
costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will
occur naturally at this point.
Another method is the "Rotation method" or "roll-out"
technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try
to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. /do not
attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from
the top and virtually roll over into your second body right
out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of
the body but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you
should find yourself floating above the body.
Monroe suggests you begin with the lift-out method, but
argues that both are equally efficacious.

If, after all this, you still can't project, I recommend
purchasing Leaving The Body, by R. Scott Rogo. It only costs
$7.95 and contains another eight or so techniques. Not all
techniques work for everyone, but chances are you'll find one
that works for you in this book. Good luck!



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It could just be an image primed by hearing about sliver cords and astral projection or it could be phenomenologically real, whether psychological, physical, or paraphysical.

I used to astral project myself unintentionally back to my rooms that i used to occupy when i was younger. It was almost as if i was in my old room. It used to happen naturally without my volition. I can't do it anymore though last night i was able to black out of existence for few seconds, become "non-existent!"

Then i would come back into existence and it was voluntary. I think after we die we black out and start existing somewhere else, this world or some other world.

The dreams we experience are different realities and they are as real as this reality we are currently in. Reality is a persistent illusion they say.

Branes, membranes, strings, infinite worlds and all that jizzle.

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If reincarnation is reality then certainly. From what I have read, if reincarnation is real, it seems like children will be able to remember their past lives up to about three years old. And then, who knows, maybe our brains "solidify" into something that can no longer access it.

I think the process of reincarnation/simulcarnation doesn't have to be linear, i.e. we living in the past, dying, then living in the immediate future, dying, then living after few years.

Like suppose if you had lived 100 plus million years ago as a dinosaur, then you died, then you lived as a mammoth, then you lived as a human in 10,000 bc, then ancient egypt, sumeria, india, as an aboriginee, as an african, as animals, and so on. It doesn't have to be linear progression towards another life. Like if you live now, it doesn't necessitate your existence, after you die, 50-100 yrs on. Like you won't be born in the year 2100 AD. What if you are born, instead, in the year 1900 AD? Then 1800? Then back to being again in the late 20th? Then suddenly you are born in the year 3000 AD? Then 500 bc? then 100 bc? then 10,000 AD? Then back to year 600 million BC?

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Has this developed because we're all afraid of dying, and 'being' no more?

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Probably, and also the fact like you mentioned the other day that you became you out nowhere, you starting existing suddenly and for no reason whatsoever. Suddenyl we came into this world out of nowhere, and now we are here, albeit temporarily.

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Then philosophy is stupid for calling consciousness "spirit." As far as i know, consciousness is referred to as psyche and other terms.

Philosophy is odious and obscure; Both law and physic are for petty wits; Divinity is basest of the three, Unpleasant, harsh, contemptible, and vile.

Philosophy : currently a pseudo-science

" However, the situation is now very different, as science made a tremendous lot of progress since that time, leaving philosophy far behind. Philosophy didn't make any comparable progress of methods or knowledge, and thus became a sterile discipline. "

https://antispirituality.net/philosophy

Although

Spiritual philosophy is a generic term for any philosophy or teaching that pertains to spirituality. It may incorporate religious or esoteric themes, especially those from Theosophy or Neo-Theosophy, Anthroposophy, New Age thought, mysticism, and Eastern philosophy.

In many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, there is a belief in the incorporeal essence of a living being called the soul. … In Judeo-Christianity, only human beings have immortal souls (although immortality is disputed within Judaism and may have been influenced by Plato).


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