Westworld : UPDATE TO: How Do The Guests Not Hurt Each Other?

So how do the guests know who is a robot and who is human? How do the guests not kill each other, or hurt each other, or rape each other, etc.?

I am a little confused after the first episode that I found kind of weird.

Edit: Looking at the board for the original movie it looks like these very same questions were asked about it.

UPDATE: Special thanks to RevengeServedCOLD who posted this link:

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/11-rules-of-westworld-hbos-killer-robot-theme-park-series/

I think some of this should have been explained in the pilot and not on Rotten Tomatoes.

So based on the above link, they are all real firearms and the robots have simunitions and the guests have real bullets. The guests sign a huge waiver. And they admit a guest could kill or hurt another guest. I wonder how many people would want to go on vacation knowing that they could be murdered and how good for business this would be? Also, I bet the park would still get sued regardless of any waivers.

P.S. I have trained extensively with simunitions. You better not get hit in the face with them. We usually had to wear full face masks or at least eye protection when using sims.

i think they cant be harmed when inside the simulation

jiraiyasin,

How?

If you have 1400 people running around a park, armed, acting out their most sick and depraved murder and rape fantasies, what happens when they run into another guest? How can they even tell who is who? What happens if they mistake another guest for a robot and attack them?

Like the two guys in the brothel, they just joke about it all.

polsixe,

What? That doesn't answer my question.

Maybe they are forced to use special guns, which can only harm robots and not humans.
Obviously one guest could use a real gun against another guest, or a knife, or a rope, etc. but they are probably not allowed to carry those.

Badass_123,

It appeared to me in the show that the robots all have guns with something like a very low velocity load and non-lethal bullets. Maybe something like getting hit with a high powered paintball. I also got the impression that the robots then acted accordingly once they got hit with the bullet. Like went into a death acting mode. It also appeared that the guest though had real firearms with real bullets. So my question is what happens if a guest attacks another guest? It also doesn't have to be with a firearm. What about a knife or fist or whatever.

So if you have 1400 guests running around a park where they can act out there most depraved murder and rape fantasies on robots what happens when someone mistakes a guest for a robot and kills them? How could this not happen?

I only think there was a handful of guests (small trainload) and its entirely likely they were introduced to each other, possibly days earlier- like a mountain climbing group as they train to climb.

They would know everybody in their tour group and be told not to stab or rape each other accordingly. Considering knives and ropes exist in the real world and tour groups manage not to murder each other i'd say its pretty reasonable.

The guns are fake i'd say.

"World needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door"

It is actually stated in the show there were 1400 guests in the park at that time. You are not going to remember all 1400 people.

Well that's just *beep* writing then. How could that many guests enjoy a mere 200 narratives at once?

Was that guests or hosts?

sara-34,

It is stated in the pilot episode that there are 1400 human guests and 2000 robot hosts in the park at the same time running around together.

You are correct - thank you! That is a lot of guests. And hosts.

I have a funny feeling this show isn't going to really expect the audience to ask those types of questions. It's a good question, for a good showbut this ain't going to be a good show.

tshadley-61317,

So you are telling me I am over thinking this and I am too smart for this show? LOL! Awesome. This would be the first time on the Internets that someone has accused me of being too smart and not attacking me and calling me a moron. Thank you, good sir!

I am trying to decide if I should continue to watch it or not.

The explanation was in the original movie because it was from the POV of the guests and the movie had limited time to tell a whole story. The first episode didn't have that perspective, it had a broad overview to set the stage for the conflict the show will revolve around. It looks like they're introducing a character played by Jimmi Simpson in the future who is a guest where I'm sure we'll get additional exposition from that end.

If you're going to say a show isn't smart you should at least be smarter than the show.

chronomagnus,

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"The explanation was in the original movie"

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I have not seen the original movie but I just did go look at it's message board on here. There is a lengthy thread about the very same question I am asking and everyone on there said there is no explanation given in the original movie and that this is a serious flaw in the movie and that if you think about the movie too much it just doesn't hold up to any kind of logic and is just dumb.

So what is the explanation then? I would really like to know. I think this should have been explained in the first episode because this pilot was just weird to me. I think maybe they should have started with the episode from the guest POV.

that's stupid. this'll be the first question everyone asks.

Plot hole - Aspect of a film that is misunderstood or missed while using your smart phone.

It's funny you say that, when clearly you lack the creativity to comprehend the possibilities in this futuristic world.

You think those guns are conventional weapons with real bullets? Think.

I can't believe they haven't answered every question in the very first episode.

typhoon,

I read the sarcasm and disdain in your response. However, throughout the entire first episode this is what I kept thinking about and this made me then very confused. Especially how they presented the Marsden storyline. I think this question should have been answered in the first episode and not other things like this is all probably a secret military project to use these robots in future battles. I didn't need to know that in the very first episode but I am confused about how you tell who the fvck is who and how people are not going to this Disney World for murder and not getting killed themselves.

The whole scenario doesn't seem very thought out, does it. If they have this much trouble controlling their robots, they surely wouldn't have the technology to keep the guests from doing that stuff to each other.

ItTisIt,

Exactly. I see on the original movie message board people had the same problem and said that the movie was not very well thought out.

My guess is there is some sort of safeguard on guns not allowing them to be fired on guests. I mean if they can create synthetic humans, I doubt it would be hard to make smart guns. Or maybe they explain it in another ep.

asmodean00013,

What about other weapons besides guns? Knives, fists, a rock, or jumping on someone and raping them? How would they stop that?

I hope they explain this in the show because reading the message board for the original movie it appears that this very topic was a major flaw (or plot hole?) in the original movie. Many posters on there say that if you think about the movie too much is doesn't hold up and is full of flaws and bad. Will this show be the same way?

In the original movie you couldn't even shoot another guest, because the guns wouldn't fire. You could also tell who was a robot by looking at their hands. I was asking the same thing when Ed Harris pulled out a knife and slit someone's throat. I doubt there will be an explaination.

Angelboreanaz89,

Thanks for enlightening me on what is in the original movie. I have not seen it. I read its message board on here and there is a long thread where people are talking about the same thing. A poster above here claims they explain all this in the original movie but then the movie's board people say it is never really explained.

Ya, well in this show the guns do fire. I am wondering how you tell who is a robot because based on what we saw they seem pretty flawless and not able to tell that they are not human themselves. And that is the thing what about other weapons and just jumping people and attacking them? I don't know how this park could avoid guest on guest violence?

That is what I wonder - Ed Harris could just as easily killed a guest as he did a robot with his knife.

If you've ever gone paintballing, or any other kind of organized simulation activity, there is always an orientation. So its not as chaotic as you make it seem, I'm pretty sure all the guests have already been briefed on which characters are robots. There's probably some other kind of safeguards that haven't yet been shown since we've only really been shown the active simulation and the backstage parts, not the whole experience from beginning to end from a guest's perspective.


I miss Giles.

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I'm pretty sure all the guests have already been briefed on which characters are robots.

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There are actually a couple scenes that show this wouldn't be the case. Marsden is approached by a group of people, and only the one who has been there before knows him. Also the little kid ask Evan Rachel Wood if she is one of them. Seeing as there are knives I'm going to mark it up as a plot hole.

Angelboreanaz89,

Thank you.

Yes, based on what we saw in the pilot it looks like humans cannot tell who is a robot and neither can the robots. Plus, they said there were 1400 in the park at the time as well as hundreds if not thousands of robots. Good luck remember who is who.

Not that it really matters to this discussion, but there are ~2000 robots. They mentioned that 200 of them have been upgraded and that was about 10% of the robot population.

This is your life, and it's ending one IMDb post at a time.

Risen_Set,

No this totally matters to this discussion. Thanks for the correct numbers. I could not remember how many robots they said there were. I could only remember that they said there were 1400 guests.

There are several posters here who think that there are just a handful of people in the park. But in the show they stated that there were 1400 human guests and 2000 robots all running around a huge park at the same time. There is no way people would remember who was who.

pcyiu9,

Yes, I have gone paintballing many many times and I have done far more realistic military and law enforcement training. That is probably why I am having such a hard time with this. There seems to be no safeguards in place. As well as no way to tell who is human and who is a robot. They said there were 1400 guests in the park as well as hundreds of robots if not thousands. There is no way you could remember who was who even after a detailed briefing.

I think they should have done the pilot from a guest perspective entering the park for the first time. Then maybe revealing how it all works. Dropping us off in the middle with Marsden made it pretty confusing as to how do these guest not accidentally hurt another guest?

I wondered the same thing. If the guests are all running around at the same time, and you can't tell human from robot, how could they not end up attacking each other?

The problem is they should just experience the west without this whole thing of getting off doing sadistic stuff. That just creates a ridiculously unsafe situation.

There's no way a park like this would be allowed to operate.

scottrmartin,

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"If the guests are all running around at the same time, and you can't tell human from robot, how could they not end up attacking each other?"

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EXACTLY what I am wondering.

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"The problem is they should just experience the west without this whole thing of getting off doing sadistic stuff. That just creates a ridiculously unsafe situation."

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I get the impression this is a park for rich *beep* who just want to go around armed, drunk, high, raping, and murdering people all day long. That is a recipe for disaster. How would any guest leave this park unscathed?

The only way you could explain this away is to have "plants" posing as guest. If things get too out of hand, they step in as police. I find this highly unlikely though. They didn't want to take out the defective robots because it would take away from the experience. And they brought in that gang to clean them out, instead of ordering their men to do it, posed as guest.

The more I think about it, the more I realize this place must be run by a pack of lemurs.

Angelboreanaz89,

Ya, they had to concoct some elaborate story just to remove some robots. The other scene where the one robot went nuts and killed all the other robots and was pouring milk around was different though. I assume they cordoned off the area when they went in there in modern day street clothes? Obviously they were able to shut down the robot but that was still way after he killed everyone else. So again, how do they stop a guest from attacking and killing another guest and then going oh crap, that guy wasn't a robot?

In the original movie there is a bar room fight scene which involves the two humans (Richard Benjamin and James Brolin) and lots of others I assume both robot and human. It's obvious humans could be badly hurt but the two were barely scratched (candy glass and balsa wood maybe).The filmmakers left it at that. It appears they are doing the same here.

mhlong,

Maybe the guests sign a waiver that says you could very easily get killed or hurt very badly? That would seem pretty bad for business though. I am sure some people would still go to the park but I bet most people would not go if the odds were high that you could get killed.

"The firearms issued to the park guests have temperature sensors that prevent them from shooting humans or anything with a high body temperature but allow them to 'kill' the cold-blooded androids."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westworld

Could hardcore fans verify this please?

norinaniron,

That does not explain any other way that a guest could hurt another guest though. Knives, fists, a rock, penis, etc.

tbh, I know nothing about this show, so I'm even more curious. Only caught a glimpse of the film on TV when I was a kid.

Has none of the guests ever got hurt? Not even a scratch? Or they simply enjoy it like a Fight Club situation?

(I sure know how to google, but I really want to get into the show, so I'm just trying to avoid spoilers here. Thank you for answering my questions!)

norinaniron,

In the pilot tonight they just drop you in the middle of the park with Marsden's character and you have no idea what it going on. Nothing is explained really. You learn some facts about the park here and there. Like, you cannot tell the robots apart from the humans they are that good. There are real weapons used in the park like guns and knives. Also, 1400 human guests are running around in this vast park at the same time and many seem to be there just to kill and rape others. There are also hundreds if not thousands of robots running around the park too. So how does another guest not get accidentally killed or raped by another guest? It seems like this park would not have a lot of repeat customers.

Killing off your customers sounds like a great business model. I should know, I held a job once.

In the original film the guns had sensors that could tell the differencr between human and "host".

The concept is still silly. What about riccochets? What if you shoot the fake horse that a guest is riding and it falls off a cliff?


I miss Giles.

The same way people in Disneyland don't get hurt with knives, fists, a rock and penises. Or at least, not usually. If you take guns out of the equation, then it just becomes the same as any other public space, in which there's always a chance for violence to happen. But it usually doesn't.

I know what you're saying about how the guests in Westworld would probably be more predisposed to violence, but they're still presumably subject to laws. Maybe accidents happen with knives, fists, rocks and penises every so often, but I'd also guess those people sign their lives away in waivers and hold-harmless contracts before they enter the park.

Wax_Paper,

It looks like you are not understanding this thread and did not watch the pilot episode. In the TV show of Westworld people go there to specifically commit murders, rapes, robberies, and other crimes, etc. This seems to be the main attraction to the park. So no this is not the same as Disneyland. I hope you know that people to not go to Disney specifically to commit murders. Ed Harris was knifing people. So even if you take guns away he was still murdering people with his knife. So that is why many of us here are wondering how do 3400 humans and robots know who is who and which robots and not humans they can murder and rape?

Ya, the only thing I thought of so far is that all the human guests sign away their lives before entering the park. But I can't see the park getting a lot of business if multiple guests die everyday and the odds are high of serious injury and death. But I am sure some rich azzholes would still go.