Star Trek: The Next Generation : How would things have been different if Tasha Yar had not been killed?

How would things have been different if Tasha Yar had not been killed?

Tasha Yar died late in Season One because Denise Crosby wanted to do other things with her career, thats fine but lets assume that Tasha had survived the attack that killed her thanks to Dr. Crusher and remained alive throughout the series.

How would Tasha still being alive have affected the crew and their mission? Guinan at one point acknowledged that she was never supposed to meet Tasha during one episode (forgot the name of that) and later on wanted to know everything about Tasha, Tasha also had her sister who was devious and untrustworthy and not happy with the crew at all, Tasha being alive would have changed that a lot.

Tasha being alive would also mean that Worf would not be Security Chief at all and would eventually get on her nerves when he tried to do her job for her even if only to help her out, he did this with Odo on DS9 and got into trouble because of it, he would remain at a lower rank and wouldnt have as much influence as he had after her death because he would be another lowly subordinate like Barclay working for Tasha, not a team leader, that would force Tasha to do most of the fighting and have Worf save her ass or Tasha saving Worf all the time.

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Wesley would have stayed off drugs.

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When I look at S1 compared to the rest of the series two of the best things to happen was Worf moving to security and Geordi moving to engineering. It just doesn't seem sustainable to have Geordi pushing buttons, sitting down the front making wise cracks every episode to Data who doesn't get them yet having an engineer of the week or to have Worf help out a security team each time they have an enemy that would have thrown Tasha around like a rag doll.

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Certainly an enemy throwing Tasha around like a rag doll is much less threatening than the ones able to throw Worf around like that.

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Certainly an enemy throwing Tasha around like a rag doll is much less threatening than the ones able to throw Worf around like that.
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Took me all of 5 second to find on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LnwLn9vnKo

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Hilariously sad. He was awful brave though. You have to give him that.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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That's why I prefer Worf in DS9 a LOT more than TNG: he wasn't a ragdoll NOR a punchbag, he held his own against his enemies there.

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That's why I prefer Worf in DS9 a LOT more than TNG: he wasn't a ragdoll NOR a punchbag, he held his own against his enemies there.

And against Dax. I thought that they were a good pair.

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Worf was phenomenal in TNG, foe.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher.RIP William Christopher.2016 is the worst!

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I think it was cool having female security chief officer but it didn't make sense that a Klingon officer would be beneath her no matter how good she was. But I guess that was the statement they tried to make by giving her that role. I like Worf at the position better. I believe Worf's character would not have been as prominent with Tasha Yar there. With the death of Tasha, Worf showed a lot more in prominent screen times.

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Natasha dying was the best thing to have happened to TNG. Most definitely. Worf is one of the most memorable characters in the entire franchise. Yar would not be.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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Am I having a case of déja vu?

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The series would have been worsened. Most of the characters aren't very good in season 1 TNG, but I'm not sure how much Yar could have been improved. She would have stood out as one of the worst characters (and actors) on the show. And yeah, I'm not sure what would be done with Worf.

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Denise Crosby has absolutely no range as an actor. She was probably given the best story background of the characters and she still tanked it. If she didn't want to leave, they would have been force to kill her later. She just saved us a whole lot of wasted time.

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I agree with Cind regarding Denise. I have mentioned before how I loved Tasha as a character but it was uncomfortable watching Denise Crosby doing anything other than kick ass as Tasha. she had very little range.




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Basically, there would've been more episodes about her and her job. That means, as you said, that Worf would not be Security Chief, which means there's less for him to do other than his Klingon heritage stuff, and it's possible that even that would've been pushed back a bit due to Tasha's existence.

How they would've handled Tasha is debatable, and really rather unknowable. The first two seasons were very tenuous for TNG, and there was a good chance the show wasn't going to have a third season, due to the Writer's Strike back then and other things going on. That meant that the show really didn't have a direction. That's rather important because Television, in general, was already moving away from the standard kind of fare exhibited by most TV shows, where each episode was rather individual and wasn't dependent on other episodes for continuity.

In Season Two, however, you start seeing the beginnings of serious character development from the writing staff. Data's sentience, Worf's status as a Klingon Warrior, Wesley going to the Academy or not, and so on. It's likely they would've had something more about Tasha, more about her life on that hellish planet growing up, possible romantic angles, maybe even professional dilemmas.


Denise Crosby has absolutely no range as an actor. She was probably given the best story background of the characters and she still tanked it. If she didn't want to leave, they would have been force to kill her later. She just saved us a whole lot of wasted time.


I disagree, mainly because range, especially where it comes to television, is highly overrated. Even Benedict Cumberbatch, celebrated as he is, hasn't demonstrated much in that regard, but he doesn't have to because television, by and large, is principally interested in a look or a style, and the writers will fill in the rest. It's not as though we're talking about Sir Lawrence Olivier or Richard Burton or Elizabeth Taylor. Given Crosby's role, it's not as though she was given a whole lot of complexity from the start. Indeed, if you ever get a chance to read Gene's own notes about these characters, most of them only have maybe a sentence, rarely more, to go on. The actors were allowed to offer a lot of their own input, but, again, if you only have so little to go on, and at the same time you're a relative newcomer to television, you're rather frozen in place, not sure just how much you really can do before you might cause a problem, as Gates McFadden found out with Maurice Hurley. Hollywood is notoriously fickle about actors who ask a lot of questions (and, as I understand, Broadway is even worse).

Denise Crosby's instincts about it were probably well thought out. When the show wasn't about her, all she had to do was stand there (for hours at a time during shooting), and she knew what she was there for: Her boobs. She filled out that uniform quite nicely. Imagine the situation yourself; you're primarily there not because of your acting so much, but because you look good on camera, especially to adolescent boys. You're supposed to be a Security Officer, but your lines are terrible, and even when the show is about you in some regard, it's not so much about your role as an officer, but as a woman, one without a husband or family, I might add (because that changes the whole dynamic). So, I'd say she did as well as anyone else in her position could, and I seriously doubt even the likes of Elizabeth Taylor could've done much better.

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Almost as dumb as Shelley Long leaving Cheers.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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All three of the female characters were only there because of their boobs.
We can look back and laugh at that, only wait, oh that's right, never mind because 99.98% of TV and movies are still the same.
Lol.
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Well, I think that's a bit harsh of a number. And Dr. Crusher, as a character, wasn't dressed in anything especially skin-tight most of the time, wearing that quasi-labcoat thing. Still, television producers are always looking for a fan-service angle wherever they can, and unfortunately they haven't quite yet learned that less often is more, and that personality matters more than if you've got a nice figure.

As I've often said regarding Tasha, if I could fix her, I'd make her the Athena to Picard's Zeus, the Strategic Warrior, who rarely ever leaves the Captain's side because she doesn't have to, and relies more on good people assigned to her to do their jobs as required. At the same time, she'd realize that she's got a huge job, arguably the most important job on the entire ship (and even if it really isn't, she would regard it as such), because if the ship is not secure against threats, if away teams are compromised, it's tougher for the ship to do the missions they're sent on. Worf would be like Ares, but checked by Tasha; she sends him to seriously kick someone's ass and to be the kind of presence that she can't be, and can never be due to both her role as Strategic Warrior (Worf is the Tactical Warrior), and because she looks like a Playboy model, which doesn't really come off as intimidating to people who aren't teenage fanboys.

As a bonus, being the Athena of the group, she'd also be the voice of Wisdom on the show, advising not so much prudence, but common sense. Every time there's a staff meeting, she's the one with the best line to give above all of them. Not that the Captain would always take her advice, because Zeus tends to be a bit less pragmatic, but at the least she would be able to say to him "Sir, with all due respect, I told you so."

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Denise Crosby had boobs? I guess she never brought them with her when she's acting. There was this show in the 90's called RED SHOE DIARIES. Rather a sleazy little show, but the stone cold guarantee every episode was some woman was going to be topless. Denise was on the show twice and of course was topless both times. I watched both episodes. I still haven't seen her boobs. Her chest is like her belly button, it's a innie.

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Plus she had a Tribble in her pants which migrated to the head of Donald Trump during the mid-90's because his brain has a consistency similar to quadrotriticale.

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I've seen smaller boobs. Kelly Ripa for example.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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there would be a lot more lesbian viewers. good call denise cosby you became a superstar after treck
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