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People who do not believe in God tend to be very corrupt, untrustworthy people
More corrupt than the Catholic church charging money to get people out of purgatory? More untrustworthy than the priests molesting little boys? More corrupt than all the commanders in all the wars waged in the name of religion?


An entitled mindset who thinks that the world was made for his pleasure tends to be a very abominable person.
Genesis 1:26 contradicts this:
"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Sounds like it's the believers who think the world was created for them. And you're right. It does lead to an entitled mindset.


tends to be a very abominable person
Judgement. Christians aren't supposed to do that.


Those who think they'll be held to account for what they do in this life
Right, because behaving because something bad will happen if you don't is more virtuous than behaving just because it's the right thing to do.


a life that was given to them by the One who created them
Mom and dad?


tend to behave much better for the wear.
Like the greedy, rapist Catholics and warmongers I already mentioned?

If that helps you sleep at night, brah...

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---Like the greedy, rapist Catholics and warmongers I already mentioned-----

Catholics are rapists?
I have a high extended family, as far as I know none of them are rapists.
I think you'll need proof for this. Can you attach a link?

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Do they rape people because they are Catholic?
You want to list rapists.
List Muslims first.
See Sweden, the new rape capital of the world!!!

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Do they rape people because they are Catholic?
No, I think they're drawn to Catholicism because they are rapists.

Not that it makes any real difference. Nothing I've said has anything to do with Muslims (who also believe in God) and Sweden.

So....huh?

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I think


well there you are, then...



and seriously, are you saying that ALL Catholics force others to have sex??? Nuns?

and Muslims apply Catholics idea and attributes of god to Allah. both M and C view God as all powerful, all knowing and all present. this still does not mean that they believe in the same being. {Jewish and Catholics DO believe in the same being.} Christianity is big on the trinity [three beings in one god -- father, son, holy ghost] something that the Muslims don't acknowledge, just as the Jews don't acknowledge how Jesus is the son of God.


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and seriously, are you saying that ALL Catholics force others to have sex??? Nuns?
Nope. Never once said that.


and Muslims apply Catholics idea and attributes of god to Allah. both M and C view God as all powerful, all knowing and all present. this still does not mean that they believe in the same being.
Again, I never said that.


Jewish and Catholics DO believe in the same being.} Christianity is big on the trinity [three beings in one god -- father, son, holy ghost] something that the Muslims don't acknowledge, just as the Jews don't acknowledge how Jesus is the son of God.
Irrelevant to the discussion.

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and seriously, are you saying that ALL Catholics force others to have sex??? Nuns?




Nope. Never once said that
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actually, when you don't write many, most, some... you mean all. so you DID write that, essentially.


and Muslims apply Catholics idea and attributes of god to Allah. both M and C view God as all powerful, all knowing and all present. this still does not mean that they believe in the same being.



Again, I never said that.


again, when you say

Muslims (who also believe in God
you mean they believe in the same god. see? without clarification and explicit speech[Muslims have adopted Catholics view and attributes of Catholic God to Allah, THEIR God], you come across as a complete imbecile.

and since you mentioned how apparently Muslims believe in God, my trinity thing IS relevant as I just blew your case out of the water.


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actually, when you don't write many, most, some... you mean all. so you DID write that, essentially.
My bad. Between simple context clues, common sense, and looking at the links I posted, I didn't think anyone would be so confused as to have to put words in my mouth.

What case did you blow out of the water? The poster I initially replied to said people who don't believe are corrupt and untrustworthy. I shined a light on the hypocrisy there, by highlighting corrupt and untrustworthy believers. I'm not even the one who brought Muslims into this discussion. But that doesn't change the fact that they believe in god...maybe not your god, but their god.


actually, when you don't write many, most, some... you mean all. so you DID write that, essentially.
And this statement is absolutely ignorant. Don't reply to what you think I essentially wrote. Stick to what I did write.

It will make me take you seriously.

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but that is the thing... I have been brought up in college and graduate to write with words like many/most/some because it is wrong to say all or none. that isn't fair to those few who don't fall into the category of whatever it is you are writing about.

If I write "anyone who fidgets has ADHD and needs to be on medicine" I am both ignorant and wrong and actually punishable by law, since I am not a neurologist.

someone who fidgets could just be giving you a signal that you're as boring as fvk! 😃 that is actually a signal I gave to someone who was as boring as fck and he told me I had ADHD... and he was no neurologist either!




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You say that like I said anyone who is Catholic (which includes most of my family, and, from-time-to-time, myself)is a rapist.

I didn't.

And you know that.

I said:

More corrupt than the Catholic church charging money to get people out of purgatory? More untrustworthy than the priests molesting little boys?
If you're this confused by that statement, maybe you should go back to college. 👍

Notice how you seem to be the only one confused about what I said? That might mean something...

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I was brought up catholic too. and I am not confused. how can the church charge money to get people out of purgatory -- the apparent place between heaven and hell-- the minimum security prison as I call it?

and I totally agree with you about the priests. but, see, again... not all priests molest boys, so those who don't molest them are immediately in the dog house because of these other guys.

the corruptness and the do as I say not as I do crap is one of the MANY reasons why I left. I actually didn't realize how shi77y the catholic religion is with its 'acknowledging its gay cousins [jesus was born jewish is one of the MANY things we refuse to discuss]' until I went to a protestant/Lutheran college.

and that is exactly what 'jesus was born jewish' is... a gay cousin in the religion. it is apparently something embarrassing to us. like how Adolph hitler was Catholic [I mean, duh! but how can I associate with that?].


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I was brought up catholic too. and I am not confused. how can the church charge money to get people out of purgatory -- the apparent place between heaven and hell-- the minimum security prison as I call it?
http://www.aol.com/article/2009/02/10/buy-your-way-to-heaven-the-catholic-church-brings-back-indulgen/1455700/

https://ivarfjeld.com/2011/11/04/catholic-author-raises-two-million-to-get-souls-out-of-purgatory/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-pope-francis-tweets

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-reformation/roman-catholic-church-in-1500/

http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/indulgences.php

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-14/selling-forgiveness-how-money-sparked-protestant.html

How can they do this, you ask? Well, it all starts with people believing in a god that requires religion...Then set up said religion around the idea of being rewarded for not sinning, and then charge people who have sinned so that they can be rewarded too. I don't know. I stopped with all this nonsense...probably close to 10 years ago now.



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Watch the movie Spotlight Nak it will enlighten you and it will show you that the abuse happened on a large scale and for a very long time(we are talking about tens of thousands of cases globally we know of).

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Spotlight is a wonderful movie.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Matt Roberts. You were great.

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Catholics are rapists?
I have a high extended family, as far as I know none of them are rapists.
I think you'll need proof for this. Can you attach a link?



No one said all Catholics, just the ones that used their religion to enrich themselves, wage war, and molest boys.

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No one said all Catholics


actually, that IS what this PC poster is implying... without the inclusion of some/many/most/#%#/ that means all.


and what is wrong with enriching yourself?

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and what is wrong with enriching yourself?


Religion shouldn't be used to enrich one's self.

Hillsong church parody - praise the lord song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEAWPcbTw8k

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Sure as it may be, that is not indicative of Catholic teaching, sweetie. You have to learn to separate what evil men and women may do for what the teaching says.

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Blasphemer! You are going to hell, Ruby.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Matt Roberts. You were great.

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Then you'd be wrong. And God. Capital G.

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whose to say who is wrong over who is 'driving the bus' of the world? srsly, there is no god. if children can die of cancer then god does not exist.

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God doesn't have time for sick and dying children. He's too busy worrying about people who don't capitalize the word "god" on the internet.

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God doesn't have time for sick and dying children. He's too busy worrying about people who don't capitalize the word "god" on the internet.


Yahweh was too preoccupied with period blood and seminal emissions. Apparently they made him squeamish.

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False. God does, but what are you doing about it? See, God made you too. And He made you to do something, anything, about the problems within your arms reach.

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By that logic, nobody would die........

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so by your logic, you think children should die?



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---so by your logic, you think children should die? ---
I don't think anyone should die.
My grandmother had 15 children and I don't actually know how many grand children and great grand children and maybe great great grandchildren when she died. I wish she was still alive.
What is the difference between my grandmother and a child?



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did I say that your grandmother deserved to die? [you brought her up so the answer is a big, whopping NO]

all I said is that children DON'T deserve to die of cancer!

and if you are seriously pitting your grandmother against even one innocent child, thinking that one is more deserving of life than the other, that thinking is demented.



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----and if you are seriously pitting your grandmother against even one innocent child, thinking that one is more deserving of life than the other, that thinking is demented. ----

You said that if there was a God children wouldn't die.
I'm not putting anyone against anyone.
I was pointing out that it doesn't seem fair that anyone has to die.
You brought up a child dying and I pointed out the 'other end of the spectrum'.

You are the one pitting children dying as somehow more than an adult.


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so you think children who have yet to live their lives should die over someone who is 90?

still doesn't make sense.


I agree with you that no one HAS to die but I just don't see how god can exist when he calls SO MANY CHILDREN to die of horrible and painful diseases. no child should die of cancer much less know what it is or what it feels like.

that is all I am saying.


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When spouses neglect their families, divorce should be an option. You don't get to not live up to your family obligations and there be no consequences. And BTW, alcoholics are often also verbally and physically abusive.



No, it shouldn't. Yes, everyone has problems, to some degree or another, but that's still no excuse for divorce, because divorce is a legal fiction. The vows say "until death do you part." It doesn't say, "until abuse do you part," or "until infidelity do you part," or whatever. Divorce does not solve the problem, and in fact encourages an entitlement attitude on the part of each spouse that they shouldn't have at all.

Look up someone named Saint Monica of Hippo. Monica was married to a Roman pagan named Patricius, and he was a complete lout, who abused her, cheated on her constantly, and was a drunk, by accounts. She could've divorced from him, but she didn't. She was a devout Christian, and she prayed for her family constantly. She had three children, her eldest, Augustine, was very much like his father, and he fell into Manicheanism (a Dualistic Cult), had a child out of wedlock, and was just a party animal. When he fell ill, Monica had convinced Patricius to have Augustine baptized, and thanks to her perseverance, Augustine converted to the faith, and became one of humanity's greatest thinkers, St. Augustine of Hippo.

Santa Monica, California is named after her today. She is the Patron Saint of Disappointing Marriages, Disappointing Children, victims of abuse and adultery, and the conversion of relatives.

Does this mean you as a woman or I as a man have to persevere in marriage? Yes, if we truly love the one we married. Love is more than a feeling; it's a verb that means to do what is best for the beloved, even if that means your perpetual suffering in this life. Nobody gets out of this world without suffering. It's just the way it is.


There is no god. No invisible sky daddy is going to get upset over a divorce.



Saint Monica would disagree with you. Further, it doesn't change the fact that if you make a vow, you're putting your life in your own hands. Divorce only demonstrates complete untrustworthiness to those who agree to it.

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You tell them, Wylde!! Heathens!

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Monica probably had a martyr complex (like a lot of those early Christians) and was abused even after her husband's conversion. No, you don't get to abuse people and get away with it. If I married a man who abuses me, I don't care what I said, I'm getting out. Better to break vows than to be abuse, or dead. It's disturbing that you would advocate women staying with their abusers. In fact, it's warped.

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And what does it take to really be a true martyr? Don't be a moron. She loved her husband more than he could ever know. Love is not a mere feeling. It is doing what is best for the beloved. If you think you're entitled to whatever's pleasant and fine and comforting, I'm afraid you're not only wrong, but as wrong as wrong can be. Monica loved her family more than YOU love yours. What does that say about you, and what you want?

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Yes, everyone has problems, to some degree or another, but that's still no excuse for divorce, because divorce is a legal fiction.

Divorce is indeed a legal fiction. But then, so is marriage.


Does this mean you as a woman or I as a man have to persevere in marriage? Yes

No, actually it doesn't. It just means there's a book in which there's a story about a woman didn't divorce her abusive husband and in some respects it turned out well. I could just as easily spin a story about a woman who stayed with her abusive husband and he murdered her.

Either way, the fact is that forcing a person to remain married to an abusive spouse is a moral wrong.


, if we truly love the one we married.

And what if we don't? People fall in love all the time, and people fall out of love all the time. For what reason should a person remain married to a person they don't love, especially if that person is abusive towards them?


Saint Monica would disagree with you.

Let her make an argument to support her case, and if it's a good one I will care. Until then it's just an argument from authority.


Further, it doesn't change the fact that if you make a vow, you're putting your life in your own hands. Divorce only demonstrates complete untrustworthiness to those who agree to it.

So what? People are not required to meet your standards of trustworthiness, nor should they be so required.


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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.

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Divorce is indeed a legal fiction. But then, so is marriage.


Wrong. Only if the marriage itself never took place, for certain and specific reasons (like one partner is the same sex as another, or one partner was too young to accept such a vow, or one partner was already married, or one partner was not truly a Christian, etc.), then a marriage does take place. Sorry.


No, actually it doesn't. It just means there's a book in which there's a story about a woman didn't divorce her abusive husband and in some respects it turned out well. I could just as easily spin a story about a woman who stayed with her abusive husband and he murdered her.

Either way, the fact is that forcing a person to remain married to an abusive spouse is a moral wrong.


It's not merely a story, but a fact. And further, what does it say about someone who doesn't respect a vow if they are willing to abrogate it on the slightest pretext that has nothing to do with the vow itself? Don't be a moron. Words have meaning.


Let her make an argument to support her case, and if it's a good one I will care. Until then it's just an argument from authority.


The supreme authority from all which it comes from. Okay.


So what? People are not required to meet your standards of trustworthiness, nor should they be so required.


All people are required, but just because they don't think so doesn't mean they aren't. Don't be stupid. If you make a vow, you're telling someone that you're personal honor and integrity as a human being and as a soul is at stake. It doesn't matter if the other participant violates that, what matters is what you do.

Otherwise, what's the point of marriage in the first place? Why should not only anyone get married, but why should any man be obligated in anyway to support the bastards he puts forth into this world? Why should anyone be obligated to pay alimony? Take a fence down and watch what trouble it brings. Secularism breeds the kind of evil even you don't want to see. Don't be a moron.

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A spouse who neglects or abuses his/her family, and refuses to change, should be kicked to the curb. That person wasn't honoring his/her marriage vows. You can't expect people to stay with those who abuse them, it could lead to murder.

Look at the history of Christian Europe. I'll take secularism.

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I agree with you there, Rube.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Matt Roberts. You were great.

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And all those couples hating each other but not getting a divorce (for one reason or another)would have spared us an awful lot of country&western songs featuring men having troubles with their wives and vice versa.

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We'd still have songs with people bitching about their romantic partners.

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But it would have been a lot less songs though Ruby.

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King James (1566-1625) VI of Scotland (1567-1625) and I of England (1603-1625) presided at the North Berwick Witch Trials and wrote Daemonologie (1597) to explain the need for witch trials and thus seems misguided on the subject of witch craft.

He also wrote A Counterblaste to Tobacco(1604) that was one of the earliest anti-tobacco publication. That was 360 years before the surgeon general's report on the dangers of smoking.

It is also rumored that Nazi doctors found proof of smoking's health dangers but their report was not publicized by the US government after the war at the urging of US tobacco companies.

Rubyhypatia wrote above that many people start smoking when they are adolescents and don't think about the dangers of smoking and then become addicted very fast. That is true.

But many other other people start smoking when they are pre adolescent children even less likely to worry about the dangers in the distant future and get addicted very fast. For example, a few years ago I overheard one of my brothers tell someone he started smoking when he was eleven. Drew Barrymore smoked at age nine.

One thing that I really like about Star Trek is that nobody smokes in Star trek.

In Frederick Pohl's classic story "The Children of Night" the narrator's public relations agency has some very unpopular clients including the Arcturians who just fought a space war with Earth and the last cigarette company, in the future setting that is probably sometime about now.

In E.E. Smith's Lensman series the forces of Boskone attack the galactic federation of the protagonists with fleets of millions of space battleships and also by drug running various illegal and deadly but addictive drugs to weaken and undermine the federation of the protagonists. It is somewhat bitterly amusing that even though tobacco is a deadly and very addictive drug it is perfectly legal in their galactic federation and the smoking (and thus presumably nicotine addicted) protagonists look on those addicted to Boskone's illegal drugs with pity and contempt.


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In Frederick Pohl's classic story "The Children of Night" the narrator's public relations agency has some very unpopular clients including the Acturians who just fought a space war with Earth and the last cigarette company, in the future setting that is probably sometime about now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEnoLnq8OZg

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Cigarettes are bad, m'kay? End of the story.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Matt Roberts. You were great.

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Spelling of Arcturians corrected. I also corrected "itch trials" to "witch trials".

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I suffered through the itch trials.

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