Star Trek: The Next Generation : Better villains? The Borg or DS9's The Dominion?

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Yes it is. Why would Seven want to allow Voyager's crew to go on thinking the Borg assimilated thousands of species if they hadn't?
That's not PROOF of anything. Not by any measurable standard.

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Seven never struck me as someone who would be anything less than honest, so why would she want Neelix to go on thinking she has the collective knowledge of thousands of species?

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You don't get it. How Seven strikes or doesn't strike you isn't EVIDENCE of anything.

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You don't get it. How Seven strikes or doesn't strike you isn't EVIDENCE of anything.


Why would Seven carry on a lie? What would her motivation be?

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Why would Seven carry on a lie? What would her motivation be?
You aren't Seven, and neither am I. So neither of us can do anything but give an OPINION of what her motivation would be. You want to (as you often do) act as though your opinions are facts. You also act as though having the last post is some indication that you have been proven right. And that's why most people here don't even engage you anymore in discussions. Probably the same reason you've had trouble here, on other IMDB boards, and the other websites you troll.

Again. It's impossible to have an honest discussion with someone who comes to the board substituting their opinions as fact, and no matter what, will not back away from one thing they've ever written.

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Except where she contradicts herself without admitting it is a contradiction.


What contradiction?

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We don't know how many of the 10,000 species were actually assimilated, but it's reasonable to think it was more than 2,000. The Borg aren't going to spend time going from planet to planet to find species worthy of assimilation, as most would be pre-warp. They're going to roam space looking for warp signatures, which would indicate a species with advanced technology. Now the Kazon were deemed unworthy of assimilation as they weren't advanced far beyond warp capability. But at least 20% of the species the Borg have encountered were well beyond warp capability, and would be beneficial for the Borg to assimilate. On top of this, there is no reason for the Borg Queen and Seven to lie.

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If it is reasonable to think more than 2000 then it's reasonable to think less than 2000.


Not it isn't. You can't explain how the Borg came into contact with over 8,000 species they chose not to assimilate.

It would be rare for Borg to come into contact with pre-warp cultures as those cultures would hardly venture outside their solar systems, and the Borg usually have no use for them. So the Borg mostly come into contact with warp capable species, and they only assimilate less than 20% of them? If you're a warp capable species, chances are great that the Borg will want to add your biological and technological distinctiveness to their own.


Or that they were unremarkable, but go ahead and throw in your made up criteria.



And why would the Kazon be unremarkable? Because they had no new technology to offer the Borg.


There's every reason to believe the Queen lied every time she spoke, she was giving the "we have ways of making you talk" speech. As for Seven, that's beyond any point I was making but if you are using what she said to confirm your bs about the designation count then you can't use your bs about the designation count to support her statement.


There was no reason for the Borg Queen to lie to Data. How was her exaggerating the number of species assimilated going to get him to give her access to the computer? And there is no reason for Seven to allow Neelix or anyone else to go on thinking she has the collective knowledge of thousands of species.

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You can't explain how the Borg came into contact with over 8,000 species they chose not to assimilate.
Neither can you. We just DON'T KNOW because the writers didn't give us these specific details. That doesn't mean you can substitute opinion as fact.

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Neither can you. We just DON'T KNOW because the writers didn't give us these specific details. That doesn't mean you can substitute opinion as fact.


The Queen claimed the Borg have assimilated thousands of species, Seven backed up that claim. And assimilating just 20% of the species they've encountered, which is highly likely, tells me the Borg have assimilated thousands of species. Fact: the Borg have assimilated thousands of species.

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Fact: the Borg SAY they have assimilated thousands of species.

But hey, you said it real well.

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My logic is sound. The Queen has no reason to lie to Data. Seven has no reason to carry on that lie after she was unassimilated. Seven specifically recalls species and their designations, there is no evidence she has false memories. The Borg usually only come into contact with warp capable species. It's reasonable to say at least 20% of those species would be worthy of assimilation (80% of them wouldn't be like the Kazon). So it's logical to say the Borg have assimilated thousands of species.

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The Borg usually only come into contact with warp capable species.
Prove that.

It's reasonable to say at least 20% of those species would be worthy of assimilation
Prove that. What you mean is, it's reasonable to RUBY.

So it's logical to say the Borg have assimilated thousands of species.
You make up two facts, then point to your made up facts to back up your guess....err...logic.


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How would the Borg regularly come into contact with pre-warp cultures? Oh boy, another question you're going to evade, Censor. Pre-warp cultures aren't out patrolling deep space because they are pre-warp cultures. The Borg usually don't bother with such cultures because there isn't likely to be any technological advantage in it. The Borg patrol deep space looking for warp signatures so as to find technologically advanced species worthy of assimilation.

So, of the species the Borg come into contact with, at least 20% will be worthy of assimilation. It would be unreasonable to assume 80% of them are like the Kazon.

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You made that up. It's sad if you don't get that by now.



I did not make up the idea that the Borg usually only come into contact with warp capable species. It makes sense based on the Borg's behavior. I've got an idea, how about explaining how the Borg would regularly come into contact with pre-warp cultures? Come on, User/Censor, stop evading.

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So that's your only sticking point. You accept every other point I made but can't accept that the you made up a story about the Borg only tracking warp signatures.


I did not make up anything. The reason I believe the Borg find species worthy of assimilation by way of tracking warp signatures instead of searching every planetary system is because I know the Borg value efficiency.


The Borg could encounter and count pre-warp species as part of their expansion and/or exploration.



An inefficient use of their time, User/Censor.

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Another contradiction, you say you didn't make it up but then tell me how you made it up.



Nope, I told you how it makes sense.


Systematic exploration and expansion is the definition of efficient, random searches for warp signatures is the definition of inefficient, it also assumes the Borg are only looking for other species and not the multitude of other useful things out there. Either way, you have the explanation you asked for, no need to be a bad sport about it.


No, it wouldn't be efficient. The Borg aren't usually interested in pre-warp cultures, so why take time and effort to survey planetary systems with intelligent life that would offer no new technology? Better to look for warp signatures because warp capable species is what the Borg are looking for.

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Bloody hell! Is this still going on??? Censor, User, just ignore her. She'l never get what you're throwing down. She'll just keep arguing. Just let it lay. Lie? Whatever. You know what I mean.

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Censor, was Seven maintaining a falsehood or not? If she was, what would her motivation possibly be? Since it was never established that she wanted Starfleet to falsely believe the Borg assimilated more than 2,000 species, then we must accept that she was no less than honest.

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You asking questions is not you making a point. Make a point on the merits. You pondering the motivation of Seven is not evidence of anything Ruby. I know you are used to pulling stuff out of your ass, and putting it forth as fact, but that doesn't work here.

Show your evidence. And Ruby - it cant be what you think another character THINKS.

Since that is what you are trying to do when you ask questions NOBODY can answer, your point of view is not valid.

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Prove the Borg Queen and Seven were lying, Censor. Funny how you want to make a claim, but refuse to back it up.

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Prove the Borg Queen and Seven were lying, Censor. Funny how you want to make a claim, but refuse to back it up.
I don't have to Ruby. Do you want to know why? Because I never said the Borg Queen and Seven were lying. (Actually, once again, the one lying here is you for maintaining that I said that, but it's already been shown before that you lie like a rug). I said, speficcally

"For all we know, that Borg Queen and Q have been lying through their teeth."
Let's read that again...

For all we know, that Borg Queen and Q have been lying through their teeth.
I don't know if they are or not. I put it out there as an alternative. You don't know, I don't know. You see, there's this little thing called PROOF. And there isn't any available. Not for your contention, not for mine. You just seem to think because you say or believe something, that in and of itself somehow is 'truth' or 'proof'. It's NOT.

Here's something Ruby - you prove to me they are telling the truth.

You see, it's NOT POSSIBLE. You really are stupid, aren't you? Because any intelligent human would know that there's no evidence to support either side of most of the questions you are asking here. Which makes you....guess what.....
A TROLL!!!!

You came here to disrupt the thread, take it off topic, and you have. Congrats. You are a successful troll. But a troll nonetheless. Could you please consider going back and trolling on the Mad Max: Fury Road (2015) board? Your act is really starting to get dull around here.

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I don't have to Ruby. Do you want to know why? Because I never said the Borg Queen and Seven were lying. (Actually, once again, the one lying here is you for maintaining that I said that, blah, blah, blah...


Jello to the wall.


Which makes you....guess what.....
A TROLL!!!!



I'm a TNG fan, you just pretend to be one. And you're a sexist jerk. Wanker!

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Wow. You really told me!!! But I'm wondering, why can't you answer the reciprocal of your OWN questions???

Prove the Borg Queen and Seven were telling the truth Ruby.

We're all waiting. After all, that would be quite the way to show us.

Or do you want to lie some more and claim I said something I didn't again? You know, the lie you wasted 2 weeks babbling about?

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Prove the Borg Queen and Seven were telling the truth Ruby.



Why would they lie? Why would the unassimilated Seven carry on the Queen's lie?

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And now we are back to this. Please PROVE The Borg Queen was honest.

The Borg Queen SAYS they have assimilated thousands of species.
Seven of Nine has documented memory issues backs this up
Enemies often exaggerate or lie about their strength
Seven of Nine wasn't high up in the Borg collective - she was a drone
Many conquerors don't reveal all details to subordinates
You can't PROVE the Borg Queen told the truth anymore than I can PROVE she lied

Deal with this PLEASE - will you already? I simply put forth a THEORY. I never, as you claimed I did, state this as a fact. Good grief. You're about as much fun to talk Trek with as getting a root canal with no pain killers.

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Oh, now you say Seven falsely believes she has the collective knowledge of thousands of species? In what episode do we learn that? She specifically remembers species and their designations. There's no reason to believe the Borg Queen filled her head with false knowledge.

Again, why would the Queen specifically lie to Data? Did she actually think him believing the Borg assimilated thousands of species would get him to hand over access to the ship's computer?

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Oh, now you say Seven falsely believes she has the collective knowledge of thousands of species?
I never said that. There you go, LYING again. I said she has issues with her memory. Are you reading impaired??

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You're implying Seven falsely believes she has the collective knowledge of thousands of species. Does she or doesn't she?

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You came here to disrupt the thread, take it off topic, and you have. Congrats. You are a successful troll. But a troll nonetheless. Could you please consider going back and trolling on the Mad Max: Fury Road (2015) board? Your act is really starting to get dull around here.


I'm here because I'm a TNG fan. And it's really creepy that you're researching my posts on the Mad Max boards as that movie has nothing to do with TNG. Do you always engage in cyber stalking? I hate to think about what you do in real life.

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I hate to think about what you do in real life.
HA! If you only knew who you have been talking to. LMAO.

Ruby - you are a troll. And it's time to do what inevitably happens to all trolls. I think you can figure this much out.

What a rube.

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I'm not going anywhere, User/Censor, because I'm a TNG fan, here to discuss TNG. And you only call me a troll because I don't agree with you about DS9.

The Borg were much more interesting than the Dominion. (OH NO, I'M TROLLING!)

DS9 lost viewers because it had too many boring characters in its main cast. (TROLLING AGAIN)

DS9 turned Worf into a boring character. (DAMN, WHEN WILL THE TROLLING END?)

Never mind that these statements are what I believe.

Funny how you never call Dukat a troll even though he ONLY comes here to bash TNG. That's okay because he's a DS9 fan, huh?

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I don't think you're a troll because of your opinions, I think you're a troll because you answer nuh-uh after claiming to like debating.


You think I'm a troll because I don't agree with you. Arrogant people hate when other people don't think like they do.

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All my arguments are well thought out. Sorry if it bothers you that I'm not backing down. I understand bullies hate that.

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I'm guessing you think you get bullied a lot. I don't think you're a troll anymore, I just think you've been made to feel stupid by a bucket load of people.


You're guessing wrong. I stand up to bullies, so no, I don't get bullied a lot. And no one has made me feel stupid. In fact, you make me feel pretty smart.

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Can't we all just get along?

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Can't we all just get along?



You say nasty things about Dukat then tell others to just get along?

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I'm guessing you think you get bullied a lot. But yeah, you stand up to people who point you're provably wrong and call them bullies, so no issues there. I don't think I make you feel smart, I also didn't think I made you feel stupid until you had to tell me nuh-uh on that one.

You need to ask yourself why you need us to think you're not a troll and believe you're a big tough bully buster when you sound like a troll and a paranoid weakling who can't admit a mistake.



No, I am not bullied because you can't bully me, even though you try. I'm standing behind the points I make, and that seems to bother you, User/Censor. Really, stop whining and crying because you can't bully someone into conceding to your points. No one is a "paranoid weakling" because they stand behind their arguments.

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What I do in real life? I'm a med tech at an assisted living facility.
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