Star Trek Continues : Star trek Phase 2 vs STC

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Phase 2 is more of a worthy continuation, since they are the ones that came first.

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no one cares what you think.

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Nope, and though I know you have no respect for Rod Roddenberry and would use him in a heartbeat if it furthered your cause, it seems that The Great Bird of the Galaxy's son has given Star Trek Continues very high praise and an official blessing. HAHAHAHA, suck it down you creep! Your bitter tears are delicious!!!!

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Did I just hear that Cawley's opinion atters more then Rod Roddenberry???

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Yes you did, at least according to our twisted resident Mignogna fanboy, TheSentinel68

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Star Trek Continues will only attract the die hard fans. It will suffer less viewings and will be cancelled in short order. It’s appeal to the purist die hards (Being true to TOS) is also it’s downfall to the viewing audience as a whole.

No one will take a show that looks like it comes out of the 60s seriously, regardless how well written it is. Which in this case, it isn't.

What's most interesting is that the people at STC have deleted all the negative comments and commenters. Honestly, they’ve banned more people than they have fans…and NOT detractors either. Just people who make constructive comments that aren’t kiss ass “you’re awesome, wonderful and perfect!”.

That's a good way to lose their fan-base before having one.

As a fellow fan accurately pointed out: STC certainly “ripped off” the ball and is nothing more than a phallometric measure against P2's successes.

Oh, and Raspail - that decision is up to James Cawley. He makes the final decision in such matters since he is the senior executive producer. You might want to do your research as far as the chain of command and upper echelons are concerned.

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One thing I've noticed about Christopher Brent is that when pinned to the wall, he just up and disappears from the message board thread that he is fouling with his stench. Over at Slice of Sci-Fi, Jackson hammered old nutjob with demands for legal documents to back his asinine claims. Christopher tried hard to change the subject and deflect by lashing out at his detractors, but Jackson wouldn't let up. So what did whacko do? He vanished, disappeared, became a ghost. He ran away because he knows that he can't back up his lies with real documentation. I guess his twisted MO is to show up at some Star Trek board, start pissing his particularly vile urine into the water and then run away when the other forum members start demanding actual proof from him. Then he just chills for a bit, peeks his head out to see if the coast is clear and starts his crap all over again, foolishly thinking that people aren't on to him and his narcissistic vendetta. It's a twisted cycle with this clown, but at least it's entertaining for the rest of us.

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Since this seems to have turned into the resident troll thread, I just thought I'd laugh here over the fact that trekmovie's Lolani thread thinks that I'm someone else's troll account. Its pretty hilarious. They don't like that I choose the unpopular opinion so that automatically makes me their target's alterego. Heh.

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Well done once again, chipwolfe and very interesting and enlightening reading. We haven't seen that loser Brent around much lately. I'd like to think it was our combined efforts to not let him get away with his lies, petty slander and stalking behavior. But just like black mold, I'm sure he'll turn up again. That's ok, I don't mind fumigating him every time he pops up.

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That's James Cawley.

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Both are compared in this article:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Star-Trek-Phase-II-vs-Star-Trek-Continues

And there's also a poll. You can vote which one you find better.

The winner for me is Star Trek Continues.

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Star Trek-New Voyages/Phase II will always the winner in my book. They came first in the internet fan film field.

As far as Star Trek Continues is concerned, like Galactica 1980, its an abomination and a nightmare. One that should NOT even exist.

Loosely translated, if there were any biological infestations that were in dire need of sterilization(i.e. Nomad's altered prime functions in TOS second season episode 'The Changeling'), it would certainly be Star Trek Continues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7we52goSY9k&app=desktop

If only that reporter knew about STC's real purpose.

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The real purpose, that you fabricated in your head and tell yourself every day?

Go continue to live in fantasy land, troll.

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If you want an abomination, I suggest you check out Jay Jay Abram's "Star Dreck".

Star Trek Continues' real purpose is exactly what its name says: to continue Star Trek (precisely, the Original Series' 5 year mission).

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More like continue it into the ground with Vic Mignogna, John Broughton, Michael Bednar, and the rest of Farragut Films at the helm.

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Nope. Star Trek Continues just wrapped shooting of what will probably be their critically acclaimed 3rd episode. I love it, but it tastes extra good knowing that it sticks in your craw, you whack job. You can't stop Star Trek Continues from succeeding. Nothing you've said or done has made a difference *at all*. What do you think of that? I know you'll claim that a few (imaginary?) people will back you up, but who gives a shyt? A couple of nut jobs can't even put a dent in Star Trek Continues' shields because STC sure looks to become the gold standard by which all other fan productions are compared, ***including*** Phase 2. Did you notice how it was Jim Cawley who replaced himself with a better actor for Kirk? Vic did nothing but put out his version of Trek and suddenly others are scrambling to improve their own shows. I just love the idea that this must bother you to no end.

I. Love. It.



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I just take it as proof that the troll is stalking Cawley in the most private of places, and the most private of moments; It just adds to the disgust factor here.

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Chipwolfe (and others), I suspect that our beloved Christopher Brent is a man of multiple unhealthy obsessions. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he's been served with a restraining order (or several) at some point in his life and I have to wonder if he's made the folks at Phase 2 uncomfortable to the point where they felt the need to issue a formal statement distancing their production from him. Those statements were pretty adamant about him not being welcome on Phase 2. They weren't just general "Nah, he doesn't work here" type of statements. They were very specific in stating that Brent was and is not part of the crew and is not ever welcome to be. That tells me that he's made himself an unhinged nuisance to them and while he may have created some material for them, they either didn't accept it or they did accept it before they realized just how much of a deranged little troll Brent is. I can't say for sure, but I doubt that he and Cawley are friends.

But as you said, Brent's selfish, ridiculous behavior just leaves a black eye on Cawley and Phase 2. I doubt Brent cares about that. It's his loony little cause to try and destroy Vic and STC at all costs and he just doesn't care about who else gets hurt from the fallout. If he has to burn Phase 2 to the ground to "get Vic", well I guess that's the price to be paid.

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I was just googling for anything new concerning the new episode, and instead, ran into this article concerning the *first* episode. Its a little old, but lo and behold, in the comments section, is an entire RANT by Mr. Brent, posted with his real name. Its hilarious, and I just had to add it to the list here. :D

http://ladygeekgirl.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/star-trek-continues-brings-new-tos-and-its-like-nerd-heaven-up-in-here/

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Just noticed the sociopath even attacked Kim Stinger directly on her imbd page, and got a response FROM HER... she had no idea what she was dealing with, sadly.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2377374/board/flat/213823141?p=1

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Absolutely. Thats why I documented it here.... he's not going to escape this one. The truth will be archived here for him, waiting for the day the epiphany of life hits him. He is everything he hates, no wonder he's so relentless. He can't escape. And now i'm thinking of Khan's monologue from Moby Dick.... heh.

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"Star Trek-New Voyages/Phase II will always the winner in my book. They came first in the internet fan film field."

This means squat. They came first, so what? By **overwhelmingly** positive reviews, Star Trek Continues is the better production.

"As far as Star Trek Continues is concerned, like Galactica 1980, its an abomination and a nightmare. One that should NOT even exist."

Nope. Again, by overwhelmingly positive reviews, Star Trek Continues has quickly shot to the forefront in terms of recreating the feel and look of Star Trek. Positive review after positive review confirms this. That you are so mind numbingly stupid as to lie to yourself (because you are the only one that believes your bullshyt at this point) doesn't change the facts. Star Trek Continues is a quality production. If you can't deal with that, that's your issue and one to take up with a therapist.

Your opinion means jack shyt here, because you have a creepy and unhealthy vendetta against Vic Mignogna. A vendetta, I might add, that you and every other nutjob have been asked to put aside by just about every top official at Phase 2. But since you have no respect for James Cawley and only use him and Phase 2 to further your weird obsession with Vic Mignogna, you're just going to keep creeping people out with your unhealthy and potentially dangerous behavior.

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Well said.

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chipwolfe said recently that there is a lot of drama going on with Phase 2, and that it attracts drama. The reason why such drama has been erupting is that Vic is continuing to destroy the P2 production, as well as Farragut, from within. By causing such dissent, it gives him and his partners a chance to hijack whatever materials both fan films have, and set up shop on the West Coast(i.e. STC).

Alec Peters and David Gerrold obviously have a hand in this disruptive act, too.

If anything, these acts of drama instigated by Vic, Alec, and David(to some extent)are nothing more than a smokescreen to cover their true intentions. That being - take out two competitors by any means available, and set up STC's new shop on the West Coast.

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I see. Now you're turning on David Gerrold too. You were happy to use his words when you thought they would hurt Vic Mignogna. Now that he is of no further use to you, you can toss him under the bus too right? You are nothing but a disgusting low life turd, a user of people and a s h i t stirrer. That's what you are. You love to go around stirring up s h i t and then you have the gall to accuse others of the same behavior. Phase 2 attracts lunatics like you and truth be told, I'm starting to believe that Cawley just sits back and lets unhinged nuts like you do his dirty work for him by letting you take shots at STC while he plays innocent. This is what you are doing, idiot. You are harming Phase 2 with your whacko behavior. You are doing this. Not Migogna, you.

Now you come here with your paranoid fantasies about how everyone is teaming up to destroy Phase 2. Get real. Phase 2 is fast becoming a 2nd rate operation because that's really all it was to begin with. Save for World Enough and Time and maybe To Serve All My Days, all of their episodes are ham handed in their delivery and with tons of boring exposition. Let's not even discuss all the things wrong with Kitumba. While I do think it was unethical for Vic to just take the Kitumba footage and release his own edit, after seeing his editing work on Continues, I have no doubt that his Kitumba edit would have been vastly superior to what Cawley gave us. It was simply a matter of Vic taking the material out of the hands of amateurs for the sake of the art.

That Phase 2 is a bunch of second raters running a second rate operation is no one's fault but their own. Of course, they have idiots like you, helping them right into the dustbin. Tell me, why did Gil Gerard say that incompetence sank Cawley's Buck Rogers project? Why are Cawley's actors jumping ship? Why is that, Christopher Brent? The actors that Cawley is getting to replace the ones who have deserted him look awful. At the beginning, Cawley had some decent people playing the iconic roles. Jeff Quinn, Kim Stinger, Andy Bray and John Lim. Where are they, hmm? Hell, even Bobby Rice and the guy that was to play Finnegan in Origins have bailed. Now it seems that Cawley is scraping the bottom of the barrel and offering the roles to anyone who sort of fits the part. Cawley just can't seem to hang on to people. I wonder why. Is it due to drama behind the scenes and further drama cause by unhinged idiots like you? I'd say yes.

On the other hand, all three episodes that Star Trek Continues has released have been met with rave reviews. You can't lie about this either, loser. The reviews are all over the net. Accolades for a very accurate portrayal of Star Trek and very high praise for Mignogna as Kirk. Saying that their episodes are duds just because you hate Vic, does not make it so. Everyone sees right through your dishonesty, loser. You have no reason other than hatred of Vic to say that Star Trek Continues is no good. Chipwolfe has challenged you to give a truly honest review of STC based on it's merits alone and you are incapable of doing so because you are a pathetic, compulsive liar with nothing but blind hatred in your heart. Too bad for you. All your efforts have been wasted and you lose anyway. What a sad and crappy way to go through life, having to be Christopher Brent.



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It definitely looks like STC has lit a fire over at Phase II....

everything in this article makes me think they are trying to be like STC now. All the parts about lighting, especially... or bragging they will have THE most complete sets ANYWHERE now that they've gotten to build the whole sprawl like STC did.

They recast their doctor... a lot of people really liked the first guy. New Uhura looks iffy and I've hated their Sulu for awhile now.

Still, its worth a read.

http://boingboing.net/2014/07/04/startrekphaseii.html

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I agree chip. And I think you meant Starship Farragut, not Exeter twice? It just seems like they are trying to be Vic and Company now... the kickstarter... the set sprawl... the emphasis on lighting.... and I'm sure it still won't be in the same league! The wait time is getting ridiculous, a delay from February to October? How bad WAS the first cut?? :D

Should I start obsessively trolling P2 pages, going on about how they are stealing ideas, ripping off from STC, and what a clueless ass Cawley is? :D

The role reversal just amuses me to no end.

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I would imagine the wait time is due to Phase 2 trying to up their game in all areas, since Star Trek Continues is looking more and more like the big boy on the block. Sorry, but Phase 2 started looking less attractive to me when they made it clear that they would be introducing elements from the aborted "Phase 2" series. Now they're also tossing in a character from TAS? Turtle headed Klingons? No thank you. The reason I love Star Trek Continues is because Vic and crew truly seem to love TOS and it shows in their loyalty to the source material. Star Trek is my favorite show and anyone who can give me new stories and maintain the integrity and look of TOS the way STC has is ok in my book. So if Star Trek is my all time favorite, then Star Trek continues is now my 2nd all time favorite. James clearly only pays lip service to the idea that he just loves TOS, while changing it all around to suit his whims. On the other hand, Vic also says that he loves TOS, only Vic's the real deal and it shows with each episode they release.

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I saw an interview where he was talking about calling Shatner on the phone, and did a little half parody of him, it was pretty funny.

I meant to post this in the Vic/Shat thread.

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Really? Shatner formally approves of Vic? Time for Sentinel to throw him under the bus. It's quite an exercise watching (reading) you guys eviscerate him so, but it's well deserved.

STP2 has become Exeter-ish in their release of episodes. I've seen all of them but "The Child" - I just couldn't finish that one. I had been looking forward to "Kitumba" but was profoundly disappointed. I do hope the next ones are better.

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I wish I could watch the fanedit of Kitumba that Phase II already had pulled from the internet.... either that, or the Vic original directors cut from last year. I'm sure both would be improved. The fanedit, from what I hear, greatly improves pacing.

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I saw that there was at least one other version; I imagine some careful editing could make it a more engaging, comprehensible story.

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In what parallel universe is Georgia on the West Coast?

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Who knows? The guy's brain wiring is missing a few connections

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To get back on track with Star Trek Continues, do you think Jesus (who gained power thru sacrifice) may have been one of Apollo's people? Perhaps one that learned the trick was sacrifice over worship at some point after Apollo left for deep space....

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